The Biggest Loser

Rolf

Rolf

The whole idea of this team started about two days ago when I was playing around with new pokemon that might fit the current metagame. I first started looking for the less-used OU pokes, and almost immediately I had huge success with Agility/Sub/Petaya Empoleon. The set got me thinking: If Empoleon could do it that well, why couldn't Metagross? And then: I wonder if there are any other good Agility/Sub/Berry sweepers out there that others havn't thought of?

Oh, the name is because the agility sweepers start as slow as snails but become fast buggers after and agility.

The whole project turned into a team that is offensive to the max. Beat them into the ground is the strategy. Get those legs pumping, heartrate up. +2 Spe, lets go!

Basic Overview:
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Looking Closer:


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Azelf@Light Clay
Timid
252Spe/???
~Stealth Rock
~Reflect
~Light Screen
~Taunt

A very trusty lead Duel Screener that also lays down the rocks. The EVs after speed are secret, I don't want to risk releasing them as everyone would start using them :) Anyways, they leave it bulky enough to, most of the time, set up both screens and rocks. As an example of how effective this is: They always Meteor Mash first, expecting an easy finish with Bullet Punch. I use reflect, and once they find that they did meh damage (34-37%), they always try to SR the second turn so I taunt up. It beats many other leads in the same way.

The screens it sets up allow my agility/sub sweepers easy entrance and set-up. I just choose the sweeper that is best able to handle the current pokemon and let it set up and go.

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Scizor@Choice Band
Adamant
248HP/252Att/8Spe
~U-Turn
~Bullet Punch
~Pursuit
~SuperPower

Scizor and Latias are the glue that hold together the team: Without them, any organized team, after taking out my initial sweeper, would easily wreak havok through the rest of the team. U-Turn allows me to obtain a favorable matchup to try and get another one of my sweepers in. Bullet Punch is able to knock through the holes that my sweepers will inevitibly open in a team. Pursuit is to trap ghosts (Gengar and Rotom) that otherwise would run through the whole team with electric attacks.

Most of the things that are able to break one of my agility sweeps are left wide open for a Bullet Punch revenge kill.

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Latias@Choice Specs
Modest
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
~Draco Meteor
~Dragon Pulse
~Surf
~Hidden Power Fire

Latias and Scizor have crazy synergy, resisting everything between them. Choice Specs allows Latias (basically) a free Calm Mind. Modest nature gives a huge boost to SpA. Since I won't be switching this in on anything that can hurt it, the drop in speed won't matter too much. Draco Meteor nails anything for massive damage, even steels. Dragon Pulse is more reliable late game. Surf provides perfect coverage with Dragon. Finally, for some reason (pursuit I think) Scizors tend to switch in on Latias. Not anymore.

As I said before, Latias and Scizor are the glue. Without them, this would be an unorganized team of sweepers that do nothing for the team. Latias also plays the important role of taking Ground moves when Reflect is down, as every one of my agility sweepers is weak to it.

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Empoleon@Petaya Berry
Modest
232Spe/252SpA/12HP/12SpD
~Agility
~Substitute
~Surf
~Ice Beam

The beast that started it all. A boosted Empoleon is capable of running through anything not named Blissey with +1 Torrent-boosted Surfs (Who even then is 3HKOed - Empoleon wins if she runs Wish and no Protect.) Ice Beam takes care of Dragons. It's typing allows it to be able to switch in even without screen and try to set up a sweep.

On all of the sets, HP EVs have to be added to allow the berrys to activate after three subs.

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Metagross@Liechi Berry
Adamant
108HP/252Att/16Def/132Spe
~Agility
~Substitute
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake

Many have heard of Agiligross, who is capable of destroying teams after just one agility and no attack boosts. Try swallowing it when its +2 Spe and +1 Att. Meteor Mash is an immensly powerful STAB that mars anything that doesn't resist. For everything else there's MasterC... Earthquake.

Again, Steel type comes to the rescue for easy switch-ins and setup.

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Relicanth@Liechi Berry
Adamant
252Att/244Spe/12HP
~Rock Polish
~Substitute
~Head Smash
~Aqua Tail

Yes, I went that far. Relicanth.

This thing is nothing to scoff at. Base 100 HP and 130 Def allows it to take physical hits like a champ and set up, even with no EV investment. Although it has only a decent 90 base attack stat, its defences come to the rescue to allow it two chances to KO many things.

Although it has great defences, it's typing is horrid for defence. For offense though, duel STAB rock and water hits everything for neuteral except Empoleon. Head Smash is 225 base power with STAB, absolutely crazy. It's ability, Rock Head, also allows it to not have to worry about the 1/2 recoil damage that Rock Head inflicts. Aqua Tail is the obligatory duel STAB - It provides it with a powerful second option to attack things with.

The worst part about this set is the shaky accuracy - 85 for Head Smash and 90 for Aqua Tail - but the power it gives is well worth it.

Ending thoughts

Yeah, I have to go. I'll make an edit space for threats before I leave. Feel free to comment while I'm gone, just know I'm not all the way finished yet.
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Rhyperior can do the same thing as Relicanth, but better. So try out Rhyperior with the same set.
 
Erazor said:
Rhyperior can do the same thing as Relicanth, but better. So try out Rhyperior with the same set.
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Sure, Rhyperior can run the same set and has a better attack, but its speed doesn't give it nearly the same flexibility. I'll try it out though. It doesn't get Head Smash either, which is a big minus.
 
Rolfkip said:
Sure, Rhyperior can run the same set and has a better attack, but its speed doesn't give it nearly the same flexibility. I'll try it out though. It doesn't get Head Smash either, which is a big minus.
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Dont change Relicanth for Rhyperior when using this set, against a max def/hp skarm (which i dont think you'll find) Relicanth's Head smash, does ~10% more damage, 44 - 52 from Rhy. compared to 54 - 63 from Reli. And 392 Spe Vs 414 from Reli

So, probably, on every other set, Rhyperior wins easily, but on this particular one, simply no.

Onto the RMT, 3 Set up sweepers, a lead that gets shut down by taunt, and 2 Choicers, isnt too reliable in my opinion, stall teams can easily work around you, even though 5/6 of your team is immune to TS and receives almost no damage from entry hazards, you got no way to recover HP, so, weak attacks coming from tanks/Walls, will easily destroy you; the so popular Skarm/Bliss combination, stops your whole team.
Try using only 1 set up sweeper, either change to standard lead Azelf, or make it a late game sweeper, while making Metagross the lead. Lastly, a wall breaker is needed, so drop either Emp. or Reli. for a one, you can try a Sub Punch Dragonite, wich i've found really usefull, Salamence probably does mix sweeping better, but, its gonna die too soon as you have no Spin or Wish support. stadard MixNite from the analizis should work. good luck with team.
 
I'll test an Infernape as a wall-breaker over Metagross, but the three sweepers are what make the team so successful. They bring in a scarfer to counter one, it gets revenge killed and then they no longer have anything to stop me.

I'm testing the physically-based set with U-Turn.
 
I would agree that three set up sweepers is a bit much (not to mention, they all have a common weakness in Ground, and two are weak to Fighting).

Metagross right now is walled by Zapdos and Rotom-A. Meteor Mash won't do too much even at +2 (lets assume you get one MM boost prior to them coming in). They'll both hit you with their respective Fire attack and finish you off. The main issue I see with running this type of set on Metagross is that he won't be getting good enough coverage with two moves, mostly due to the fact that his STABs are two of the worst attacking types.

Empoleon and Relicanth are both weak to electric, but they'll outspeed after Agility and +1 Torrent Surf should stop Zapdos cold. I probably don't need to say anything about +1 Head Smash?

Rotom-A isn't hit supereffectively by any of your sweepers, but Scizor can Pursuit trap it, and it won't be taking many Draco Meteors from Latias if it comes to that.

Extra EVs on Azelf into HP... I don't like that it is completely shut down by Dactyl, but I guess you can just switch to Scizor and BP it twice. I don't know if anything on there is expendable, but maybe you could put U-Turn over Taunt to switch to Scizor and break the sash, so if they Taunt on turn one, they won't get rocks up (or they'll switch out and do it later, which is probably more likely, so idk). Plus you'd be losing the utility of Taunt, which is always good on something as fast as Azelf.

Infernape could go in there over Metagross nicely to break down walls.
 
The only pokes as of now that have been giving me problems are the oven Rotom and Swampert. I can usually work around Swampert buth the other Rotom has been giving me problems. Is there a mixed sweeper that could take care of both Rotom and Swampert, along with SkarmBliss?
 
Specially oriented Infernape takes out Swampert with Grass Knot, Skarmory with Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Blissey with Close Combat. I'm not sure about Rotom, but Infernape can't be burned (although he'll hate paralysis) and will hit physically defensive Rotom fairly hard with Flamethrower/Fire Blast, I believe.
 
I'll try that then, thanks. If it works better then I will edit that in.

Oh, and the Azelf spread does run HP EVs. If I run into Aerodactyl I switch to Scizor and BP.
 
Let me tell you a secret: Don't use that Metagross or Relicanth! The only thing that makes Empoleon so special is that it has Torrent to further further boost its Special Attack. I'd rather use LO AgilityGross or Relicanth than demote bulky Pokemon to 25% HP and give a 20% higher boost. In addition to that, they lose a move for type coverage. Really, it is not worth it.

You have a huge Ground weakness which should be changed.

I'll add more once you change them or tell me why they work or something.
 
I know that Empoleon is special because of Torrent. I tried other things like it (Swarm Scizor, Blaze Blaziken) but they didn't get the same things done. The point of getting them to 25% hp is because at that point, the only things that can touch them are priorities. They are ususally bulky enough to take these priorities in stride and still be able to OHKO back.

Yes, the Torrent boost is nice, but the same set could still be run on Empoleon without it and it would still be effective, albeit less.
 
If you're worried about the accuracy on Aqua Tail, why not try using Waterfall? Do you need the power from Aqua Tail?
 
How are you using Empoleon, there are 2 problems which i have come across, a) water pokemon have a day out, especially vappy, b) if you bring him out too early blissey comes in and sponges your damage. IMO, if you are using him earlier on in the battle, give him HP [Electric] over either surf or icebeam
 
vGX said:
How are you using Empoleon, there are 2 problems which i have come across, a) water pokemon have a day out, especially vappy, b) if you bring him out too early blissey comes in and sponges your damage. IMO, if you are using him earlier on in the battle, give him HP [Electric] over either surf or icebeam
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Do you know how Agility SubPetaya Empoleon plays? No one ever tries to set it up until the late game, when Blissey has been weakened or removed altogether. HP Electric has no place on the set.

Onto the actual rate:

If you have trouble breaking walls, use MixNite over Metagross. It completely annihilates SkarmBliss, can beat Rotom, and can take on Swampert if it switches in.
Dragonite@Life Orb
112Atk/196 Spe/ 200 SpAtk, Rash
-Superpower
-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower
-Roost

Superpower OHKOes Blissey, Flamethrower OHKOes Skarmory, and Draco Meteor 2HKOes Rotom and Swampert even after the attack drop.
 
Erazor said:
Do you know how Agility SubPetaya Empoleon plays? No one ever tries to set it up until the late game, when Blissey has been weakened or removed altogether. HP Electric has no place on the set.
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I occasionly use agilisubpetaya empoleon, its just that most people i battle that have it, send it out pretty damn early.
 
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