Salamence @ Life Orb
Adamant
252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 Hp
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Brick Break
Adamant
252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 Hp
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Brick Break
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The Counter Game
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Donphan @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Trait: Sturdy
252 HP/252 DEF/6 Atk
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Knock Off
With his huge physical defense, he can come in on any attack or the DD and then Ice Shard you into oblivion. . . And Mence doesn't have the luxury of Sand Veil hax like 'Chomp does.
EDIT: Beaten by Junior, AGAIN! BY ONE MINUTE! We both go two hours without responding and he decides to beat me RIGHT as I come back ¬_¬ Nice.
Junior wont Mamoswine almost die if he switches into a Brickbreak?
Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Nature: Impish
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Whirlwind
-Spikes/Stealth Rock/Whatever
Comes in, walls you, sets up what it wants, then whirlwinds you away. Shed Shell so Magnezone can't come in and ruin its fun.
EDIT: Mamoswine will ALMOST die, while Salamence will die to a LO Ice Shard. Most likely, though, Mamoswine's coming in on the DD, so BB isn't usually a problem.
Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Nature: Impish
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Whirlwind
-Spikes/Stealth Rock/Whatever
Comes in, walls you, sets up what it wants, then whirlwinds you away. Shed Shell so Magnezone can't come in and ruin its fun.
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/226 Def/32 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- U-turn
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Ice]
EDIT: Damnit, beaten.
For Magnezone:
Lanturn @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Def / 6 Spd
Calm nature (+Sp. Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
And Magnezone is a counter to Skarmory, even with Shed Shell, because Magnezone forces the Skarm user to either switch out or die. Think how stupid it would be to apply the "lol it doesn't trap it" argument to, say, Weezing as a Heracross counter. Just because Weezing doesn't trap Heracross doesn't make it any less of a counter.
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/226 Def/32 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- U-turn
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Ice]
EDIT: Damnit, beaten.
For Magnezone:
Lanturn @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Def / 6 Spd
Calm nature (+Sp. Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
And Magnezone is a counter to Skarmory, even with Shed Shell, because Magnezone forces the Skarm user to either switch out or die. Think how stupid it would be to apply the "lol it doesn't trap it" argument to, say, Weezing as a Heracross counter. Just because Weezing doesn't trap Heracross doesn't make it any less of a counter.
Magnezone. Counters. Skarmory. Even with Shed Shell. Anything that forces an opponent to either switch or die is a counter. End of discussion.
By your own logic, that Tyranitar does not counter Zapdos, because I can just U-Turn to Hippowdon. We both know that's stupid.
Not without doing damage, and taking none :D. The whole point of that post was to say that saying Zapdos is not countered because it has U-Turn is a retarded argument, along the same lines of logic as Magnezone does not counter Skarmory because Skarmory has Shed Shell.
Hey, this thread is for countering, not crying like babies. Magnezone does counter Skarmory because it does not always carry a shed shell and Tyranitar does counter Zapdos because it does not always carry U-turn. U-turn is aslo SE so it could just be an attack attempt.
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Impish Standard From Analysis
Levitate
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis
Hey honey, are you sure u want to go faster and make my balls grow bigger??? It might hurt...
Sorry, that was the worst pun I've ever said.
I do not know if this is a counter or not, because I haven't run any calcs. If you can prove me wrong, I will delete this counter.
How does Counter beat me?
My highest damage is Head Smash.
You come in on one and take 51-60%.
I outspeed you for the 2HKO.
Or you come in on my Aqua Tail and take ~1/3 of your life.
I hit you again with it, your counter doesn't OHKO me.
I hit you again with it, you die.
My EQ is a 5HKO on you and your EQ is a 4HKO on me, but I got one before you. Still plausible in your case with Counter and Reflect.
Double-edge is a BIGNUMHKO, you'll kill me first.
In any event, if you can't stop Head Smash, you can't really be a counter.
My highest damage is Head Smash.
You come in on one and take 51-60%.
I outspeed you for the 2HKO.
Or you come in on my Aqua Tail and take ~1/3 of your life.
I hit you again with it, your counter doesn't OHKO me.
I hit you again with it, you die.
My EQ is a 5HKO on you and your EQ is a 4HKO on me, but I got one before you. Still plausible in your case with Counter and Reflect.
Double-edge is a BIGNUMHKO, you'll kill me first.
In any event, if you can't stop Head Smash, you can't really be a counter.
@ tortera
shuckle@leftovers
252 hp/120 sp.def/ 136 def
+ sp. def - speed
toxic
rest
acupresure
encore
takes little from most of your attacks toxics you then stalls
people who try to counter this, assume sandstorm is active, asume acupresure powers up whatever defence you try to hit, if you try to stat up i encore then swich to a counter.
shuckle@leftovers
252 hp/120 sp.def/ 136 def
+ sp. def - speed
toxic
rest
acupresure
encore
takes little from most of your attacks toxics you then stalls
people who try to counter this, assume sandstorm is active, asume acupresure powers up whatever defence you try to hit, if you try to stat up i encore then swich to a counter.
SE is Super effectiv.
To Heracross
Toxicroak@Choice scarf
Adamant
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake
Resists all your attacks and OHKO you with Aerial ace. Note 4x resistance to Bug.
@toxicroak
Gliscor@leftovers
Impish
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Swords Dance
EDIT: fine, this is to toxicroak then.
Gliscor@leftovers
Impish
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Swords Dance
EDIT: fine, this is to toxicroak then.
YEs to Shuckle are Stone Edge SE to you have much to learn.
You still don't have counter Toxicroak.
@Cresselia
Tyranitar@leftovers
Adamant
Crunch
Stone Edge
Substite
Earthquake
edit: oops... i totally read EQ. haha, its 3 AM in the morning, give me a break. XD.
well, toxicroak still dies to gliscor as gliscor to cresselia.
Alright double OHKO XD.
Hypno @ Leftovers
Calm
172 HP / 112 SpA / 224 SpD
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Wish
- Hidden Power (Fire)
Can't be put to sleep, Nasty Plots and KOs with HP fire.
Calm
172 HP / 112 SpA / 224 SpD
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Wish
- Hidden Power (Fire)
Can't be put to sleep, Nasty Plots and KOs with HP fire.
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