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The Dream Team (Undefeated)
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But if it comes in on something else?
Although you say that you will do xxx if xxx happens, I have already shown with my calcs that it will not work. And those calcs were the sweeper set -_-, and if it is bulky it will do even less. Your supposed checks are not checks.
And I think your missing half of the point. Yes it does relate to Suicune, but without suicune, your Breloom is completely walled by any ghosts. And I don't know about you, but I would rather be doing 40% or more per turn (depending on the ghost) than 12% and healing off the damage. Much more appealing.
Although you say that you will do xxx if xxx happens, I have already shown with my calcs that it will not work. And those calcs were the sweeper set -_-, and if it is bulky it will do even less. Your supposed checks are not checks.
And I think your missing half of the point. Yes it does relate to Suicune, but without suicune, your Breloom is completely walled by any ghosts. And I don't know about you, but I would rather be doing 40% or more per turn (depending on the ghost) than 12% and healing off the damage. Much more appealing.
Ok so what is Breloom doing to ghosts with Seed Bomb? Frosslass will just Ice Beam anyways and Gengar lols at Seed Bomb.
Plus doesn't the bulky suicune only have Surf?
Meaning that Celebi walls it and forces it out. The offensive set is destroyed by Jolteon.
Oh and about Celebi taking 50% well Celebi is of course slower and suicune CM's on the switch right. So after it ice beams couldn't Celebi T-Wave and easily recover stall it out. Since it only has what? 10 turns to attack with Ice Beam and even less if he decides to attack with Grass Knot.
Plus doesn't the bulky suicune only have Surf?
Meaning that Celebi walls it and forces it out. The offensive set is destroyed by Jolteon.
Oh and about Celebi taking 50% well Celebi is of course slower and suicune CM's on the switch right. So after it ice beams couldn't Celebi T-Wave and easily recover stall it out. Since it only has what? 10 turns to attack with Ice Beam and even less if he decides to attack with Grass Knot.
The bulky set causes no problems really, it is more the sweeper set. And it has Surf, Ice beam and possibly HP electric. It is crocune that only has surf.
And Seed Bomb is not specifically for ghosts, but for ghost switch ins specifically. They see Breloom, he spores tehn Subs, what are ghosts gonna do? Switch in. If they get hit by seed bomb (or possibly Stone Edge, something I just thought of) they will fear it, ifthey don't die (which gengar and Froslass most likely will).
Celebi would still be 2-3HKOed by Surf after a CM anyways.
But as I said above, Stone Edge might be slightly more viable, I forgot that Gengar has part poison xD, and that is the switch in I was thinking of. Stone edge can also take out Gyara switch ins, and you will love him if you have Sub up =D. Although he isn't really a problem.
But whether its Seed Bomb, Stone Edge or anything else, Breloom needs another attacking move.
And Seed Bomb is not specifically for ghosts, but for ghost switch ins specifically. They see Breloom, he spores tehn Subs, what are ghosts gonna do? Switch in. If they get hit by seed bomb (or possibly Stone Edge, something I just thought of) they will fear it, ifthey don't die (which gengar and Froslass most likely will).
Celebi would still be 2-3HKOed by Surf after a CM anyways.
But as I said above, Stone Edge might be slightly more viable, I forgot that Gengar has part poison xD, and that is the switch in I was thinking of. Stone edge can also take out Gyara switch ins, and you will love him if you have Sub up =D. Although he isn't really a problem.
But whether its Seed Bomb, Stone Edge or anything else, Breloom needs another attacking move.
Why would he need to kill ghosts with Breloom if Scizor does that job waaay better?
The key word here is SWITCH INS. If he predicts a switch in, he has stone edge/seed bomb.
What if he has no idea that there is a ghost on his opponents team. SubSeeding is good for stall teams also.
Your evidence seems a little too situational =/.
Your evidence seems a little too situational =/.
Leech Seed is kind of superior in this case, why does it matter that you want to hit Ghosts? Breloom has Leech Seed and Substitute, and enough speed to outstall things like Rotom-H (which bulky versions have almost no speed) with SubSeed, Leech Seed, Sub, until it dies while Breloom remains healthy. If you're going to put it on Gengar terms, he has a Scizor meant for taking Special Attacks, don't see the problem. So defently keep Leech Seed, well the current set.
Heyo there,
Your team is a solid 1, and i can understand it's undefeated. I'm really curious what you do against Zapdos. You don't really have a safe switch-in besides of Heatran and possibly Jolteon. How do you deal with Zapdos? Other than that, Salamence can be a bitch, just don't let it set up, i know thats hard but yeah lol. I'm not the best rater but i saw how Zapdos can be a bitch to your team.
Your team is a solid 1, and i can understand it's undefeated. I'm really curious what you do against Zapdos. You don't really have a safe switch-in besides of Heatran and possibly Jolteon. How do you deal with Zapdos? Other than that, Salamence can be a bitch, just don't let it set up, i know thats hard but yeah lol. I'm not the best rater but i saw how Zapdos can be a bitch to your team.
Alright good question. Generally, I have to result to predicting a Tbolt switching in Celebi or Jolteon (depending on Zappy's health), but lets suppose its at 100. I paralyze while I take the Heat Wave, generally I take 48-54% from Zapdos' with Leftovers, then if I get some parahax, I Perish Song, or go to Gyara predicting the Heat Wave then switching to Jolteon lol. My teams depends a lot on prediction, but honestly, I typed it to make it look way harder than it really is lol.
Great, solid team, and you can see why youre undefeated. I dont think i should have to repaeat what everyone lese said about a possible Mence weak.
And for more obscure threats, an Empoleon can set up Agility-Petaya on like half your team(Gyara,Breloom, possibly Celebi if it doesnt get the t-wave) and sweep the rest, as only maybe Scizor could take the very powerful surf or an ice beam
And for more obscure threats, an Empoleon can set up Agility-Petaya on like half your team(Gyara,Breloom, possibly Celebi if it doesnt get the t-wave) and sweep the rest, as only maybe Scizor could take the very powerful surf or an ice beam
Exactly. However, one thing:
If Breloom manages to have a sub up already, and hits Gengar with Leech Seed on the switch, it can spam Sub and force Gengar out. Of course, you're risking Gengar subbing himself (though I'm probably the only person still running a subpunching Gengar), and it's a rare occasion, but it's worth mention. Leech seed is great though, as Breloom can stick around for quite a while vs some teams
Generally I prefer Seed Bomb on spore punching Breloom anyhow, if just for those annoying Breloom - Breloom battles and a couple late game scenarios. I'll never downplay Leech Seed though, especially with some defensive EV investment.