The drugs thread:

[Altmer]

Says you. I think I've broadened my horizons and experienced things beyond the realm of normal human comprhension - you've not really lived until you've actually *been* a wall..

You remind me of that Alice in Chains song:

"you can't understand a user's mind / but try with your books and degrees / maybe if you opened your mind / you'd be doing like me / and it ain't so bad"

Personally I have only ever used alcohol, I don't feel the need to be into drugs to experience more things, and as such I cannot fathom the minds of users... maybe I am simple-minded?

 

[NunoDude]

The first time I tried to smoke was when I was 3 years, my parents smoke so I wondered: "What's so fun smoking this?", I tried but it was a failure.
I don't like alcohol, cigarretes or other types of drugs, I really don't have the need of experimenting it.

 

[moot]

nothing past lsd tbh. i'm not really much of a risk taker mainly because of the fact that i'm always afraid i'll be that one guy who gets slipped the china white ^______^;

in before 'you're getting sent to military school'.

 

[Raj]

It's a riot that you say that. I was just waiting...
Honestly, you're in absolutely no position to determine whether or not what you've done to yourself is good or not. Your judgment is clouded, and you are (as you said earlier) a train wreck. Just becasue you perceive it doesn't mean that's how it really is. If I were to get high enough, I could honestly try to make the argument that I was, "flying high - on the MOOOOOOOOON". Don't even try to think that you've become "expanded". You've become nothing but a substance abuser a damaged person.

lol you must be one of those kids who has never touched a substance in their life.. Honestly, I think that's cool if you can be above the influence and not have it bother you that you're not having as much fun, but don't come in here and lecture us on something you've never done. To pass judgement on such issues you must have participated in them.You really can "expand" yourself through drugs to become more spiritual. I'm not saying you will forever think you're a martian, but you will gain a greater appreciation for life and the joys it brings. Yes, there are some bad experiences, but they are far outweighed by the goods one. Your mind is clouded; drugs aren't what they are made out to be by teachers, parents, and the media. They over embellish the harm associated with recreational drugs to portray them as bad. I'm not an advocate of heroin (I myself think it dangerous), but marijuana and some other drugs are not as dangerous as heroin, like they are made out to be. Pot doesn't ruin lives; it enlightens them.

The only reasons drugs are "bad" is beacsue the government made them bad. Marijuana was illegalized due to it being grown by African Americans thus competeing with "white men's" tobacco. The reason it is still illegal is because the government profits from having it contrabanded, where they would have a negative influx of money should it not be illegal.

Furthermore, the physical consequences of drugs are minimal. The changes brought by smoking pot reverse in a matter of six months tops. The so called "brain damage" isn't necessarily damage. THC decreases the size of the hippocampus and the amygdala. The hippocampus is associated with immediate memory, so no new information there. It's not a bad side effect, it's just neutral. Amygdala shrinkage is beneficial because it enrages anger. That's why pot smokers are often more "chill" than others. I don't see peace as a bad side effect.

And MummyFish.. your name sucks. Don't try to contribute to these kindss of topics anymore if you're going to be ignoreant about the issues.

Peace. Love. Dope.
-dragonites

 

[Son of Disaster]

First off drugs in excess and not prescribed specifically for you can mess you up. If you replace natural chemicals that your body produces with foreign ones soon enough your body stops producing the originals. This is where we get addicts who feel horrible without their drug of choice... because their body stopped making the real one.

Anyway it's no hidden fact that drugs are terrible for you. So i suggest all of you users quit and find something actually worthwhile to do with your time. Instead of destroying your body why don't you use it in a smart way. That said i'm not saying your bad people, you should die, i hate you, etc... i'm just stating that your life will eventually hit some fat bumps if you don't quit. It's pathetic that this thread was even posted.

 

[Invective]

THe thing about the white mans tobacco is ridiculous. Marijuana was outlawed for the harm it caused.

So the reason alcohol and tobacco havent been outlawed is what?
alcohol and tobacco are both more harmful than weed, and weed comes with the added bonus of being much less addictive than both.

and since i havent answered the OP yet, might as well say i smoke gods gift that is ganja and drink my fair share of alc. used to pop pills (ritalin/adderall) too, but damn theyre hard to find now for cheap.

 

[Raj]

SoD, I'm quite aware of the functions of the hippocampus, I mentioned immediate memory for simplication's sake. To clarify, only short term (while smoking/high) memory is effected, despite the fact that the hippocampus is the most essential tool for most memory. As for sperm count, there's a reason you squirt out so many little buggers..

As for your legalization status, you're incorrect. I was not implying weed from Africa was outsourcing our tobacco. No, growing weed was a black man's crop (or didn't you know there were black people here too?), allowing them opportunities to succeed. And no, it wasn't because it had harmful effects. I'm talking over a century ago, buddy ; l. Do you know whythe majority of prison inmates since the 80s are black? Because of crack.. Caucasions sold powder cocaine, yet the sentence for $20K of cocaine was equivalent to a 5 rock of crack. Again, I don't approve of crack, but there's no denying that our gov't legislates to keep minorities at check. There are always racial motives somewhere behind these laws.

By the way, my friend found some nug that looks really weird. It looks like a weed-cotton fusion.. anyone ever seen anything like it? It has an almost sweet odor, isn't harsh, but is definitely weed (or salvia?). I wanted to varify it as acually weed (trust me, it's the most bizarre looking nug I've ever seen). I toked a hit from it (only enough to taste it) and I got an intense/short lived high from it. Halp?

Back to SoD's responses... uh yes, I am telling you that most soft drugs are not harmful in moderation. You act as if doing them is a disease. You only ever hear about extreme cases. Why don't you smoke a fat J and reconsider how narrow minded you are?

Haight is love

EDIT: back to MF

I also frequent Erowid and I find it to be pretty reliable. But what we're saying is you can't have a say about what they actually do just by reading/hearing about them. As stated, I don't condone drug use for everybody, but as someone who has quit all substances ar alcohol/ has tried most recreational drugs I can ascertain you that it's not a big deal. It's like fucking, always a big deal/taboo until you've had it- and then you can make sound judgement.

 

[lol permanent name]

Is it laced with cocaine?

 

[Raj]

No, the plant itself has white hairs all over it. The stem is entirely white. None of my friends thought it was weed, hell I didn't till I tasted the smoke. It's definitely the dank, I'm just puzzled who/what/when/where/why/how it looks like that. Imagine White Widow sprouting from a cottonball.. there you go! Perhaps maybe a flower?

 

[klarth]

Fuck, can a mod edit this thread? I don't want to pointlessly argue with Mummyfish and Son of cocks or whatever Mummyfishes alias is.

They're going to derail the thread with inane played out arguments with both sides already set in their beliefs.


Either delete Mummyfishes posts and all posts relating to mummyfish and anti drug stuff, delete all the counter arguments or alternatively delete the entire fucking thread.

 

[Glen]

ugh for fuck's sake, as someone who doesn't do substances but gets embarassed whenever someone goes on about how 'its gonna ruin your life you should really cut it out!!!', i really, REALLY hope that on the other end of the spectrum there is someone who does do drugs but gets embarassed whenever someone rambles on about how 'SHIT OPENS YOUR EYES AND YOUR MIND AND YOU ACHIEVE THIS NEW LEVEL OF BEING UPON DOING THEM'

 

[klarth]

ugh for fuck's sake, as someone who doesn't do substances but gets embarassed whenever someone goes on about how 'its gonna ruin your life you should really cut it out!!!', i really, REALLY hope that on the other end of the spectrum there is someone who does do drugs but gets embarassed whenever someone rambles on about how 'SHIT OPENS YOUR EYES AND YOUR MIND AND YOU ACHIEVE THIS NEW LEVEL OF BEING UPON DOING THEM'

Doing drugs is akin to drinking with friends to me. It's not a lifestyle or a religion nor does it completely revolutionize anything in my eyes. It's merely entertainment to me.

This thread was supposed to be about your experiences doing drugs not a moral/legal/medical analysis on drugs and drug users.

 

[The_Duke]

The amount of patients I treat that are mentally and physically fucked up from drugs in the hospital I'm at this year is a constant reminder about why these drugs, are in fact, illegal.
Im not buying into any pointless arguing here, but people who say "x drug has no long term effect" or "I take drug x and am perfectly OK" are just deluding themselves in the short run. NO drug is without potential side effects. Absolutely none.

Just today, I had a lady who I assumed to be about 50 come in with a severe and atypical pneumonia. Further investigation showed that she was a regular pot and ciggarette smoker and former heroin addict. I later found out she was 35.
On top of this, the reason she had the atypical pneumonia was because she was immunocompromised due to her picking up HIV from shared (and dirty) needles, and progressing to AIDS, which allowed the Pneumocystis Pneumonia (PCP) to develop.
Trying to get an IV line in through the usual routes was impossible, as her veins were shot. We had to get the anaesthetist to put a low bore cannula into a vein in her breast, which means that we cannot get the dose of antibiotics (Bactrim) into her as quickly as we would like.

Morale of the story: Patient x would not be where she was today without drugs.

 

[TAY]

I'm sorry; I have deleted like large numbers of posts multiple times in an attempt to get this thread back on the right track but it going down the wrong track. I'm sorry to anyone who made an intelligent post in this thread.