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The Everything NHL Thread
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So far the only flaw on my bracket is NYR/Philly.
Nice comeback from the Kings, thought they had no chance after the first couple of games.
why do the bruins have to play overtime when i have an exam at 7:30 tomorrow morning....
real talk though, although rask at least hasnt let in a goal today his rebound control has been poor... really unfortunate time for him to have one of his worst stretches all season, especially when he so nicely synchronizes it with price getting red hot...
real talk though, although rask at least hasnt let in a goal today his rebound control has been poor... really unfortunate time for him to have one of his worst stretches all season, especially when he so nicely synchronizes it with price getting red hot...
100%, it's a myth. It may have existed 30 years ago when players were much slower and didn't all routinely have slapshots that are as fast as modern players, but it sure doesn't exist now.
And because I know everyone will doubt me on this: http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/7/15/can-goalies-control-the-number-of-rebounds-they-allow
And because I know everyone will doubt me on this: http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/7/15/can-goalies-control-the-number-of-rebounds-they-allow
I think you're confusing giving up rebounds with actual rebound control. Every goalie will give up rebounds, but the best goalies definitely direct the puck to the corner or out of higher traffic areas which is considered a good thing.
Rebound control is certainly not a myth. As a Hurricanes fan, I have witnessed a terrible defensive team for about 10 years now. When the team has done well (very rare), it has been because Cam Ward has been healthy and playing like an elite goalie. When he is healthy you can see his quickness, and ability to come out far (this requires having great rebound control) and challenge shooters and steer the rebound out to a low traffic area (usually the corner) When he is hurt/off of his game, he stays deep in the net, moves slower and gets beat all over the place.
Watch the difference between bad goalies and good goalies. The bad ones will constantly give up rebounds in the middle of the slot while the better ones use their paddle and pads to steer/kick them to the corners of the ice. Being able to absorb shots and prevent any rebound at all is not considered rebound control. It is a great thing to have and a great skill, but that isn't what is referred to when it comes to rebound control.
Rebound control is certainly not a myth. As a Hurricanes fan, I have witnessed a terrible defensive team for about 10 years now. When the team has done well (very rare), it has been because Cam Ward has been healthy and playing like an elite goalie. When he is healthy you can see his quickness, and ability to come out far (this requires having great rebound control) and challenge shooters and steer the rebound out to a low traffic area (usually the corner) When he is hurt/off of his game, he stays deep in the net, moves slower and gets beat all over the place.
Watch the difference between bad goalies and good goalies. The bad ones will constantly give up rebounds in the middle of the slot while the better ones use their paddle and pads to steer/kick them to the corners of the ice. Being able to absorb shots and prevent any rebound at all is not considered rebound control. It is a great thing to have and a great skill, but that isn't what is referred to when it comes to rebound control.
That study also has some issues that you could apply almost the same exact thing to any goalie stat, especially save rate, and it would seem to fluctuate greatly over time, but over large enough samples there are goalies who show significant skill (rask's .928 career save percentage as a solid example) that is highly unlikely to just be lucky variation. Just because a sample size of a season is not big enough to evaluate true skill at something doesn't mean the skill doesn't exist, it merely means we don't know how good or bad a goalie will be over time until we have a lot of data to look at.
So you're saying when he's playing like an A goalie, he lets in less goals and makes the job look easier, and when he's injured, he lets in more goals and altogether plays poorer? So, in conclusion, "rebound control" is part and parcel of being, you know, a good goalie?
As for the sample size of the study, I'd say two entire seasons are quite sufficient to find out if a guy is a good goalie or not. And as for the point about save percentage, yes, it does fluctuate year to year depending on how good or shitty the defense and special teams are. That's why you look at EVEN STRENGTH save percentage for a true barometer of a goalie's worth. Doing that, you'd see the Penguins should've sat MAF months (years) ago.
Yes? You were attempting to say that rebound control is a myth. I wasn't attempting to make an argument about which goalies are good or not. I was just simply making a point that rebound control is a real thing and the best goalies in the NHL have good rebound control. The other goalies just do whatever they can to make the initial save without giving a shit about where the puck goes and they just pray that their defense will win the battle to the puck to clear it out.
Lol Zagreb couldn't get Connor McDavid but now they can probably snatch Konopka. This guy had a nothing career but he was such a great community guy here in Ottawa.
The Oilers need two competent experienced top two D-men and an elite goaltender who they can depend on. Without that it doesn't matter who they draft.
We are not getting Ekblad, unless FLA trades the pick away and that team Drafts Bennett.
Our next biggest need is an elite 2C, which can easily be Sam Bennett
If we do draft Sam Bennett, I would be so high on our future. This would be out top 6
Taylor Hall - 85-95 Point scorer
Only 4 players in the NHL (Crosby, Ovie, Stamkos, Malkin) have a higher PPG than Hall did at this point in his career. Ahead of even Tavares and Kane.
Nuge - 80-100 Point scorer
Smartest player in the NHL in ages, when he recovers from his shoulder injury and fills up his frame, he is gonna be one of the top centers in the league.
Jordan Eberle - 65-75 Point scorer
Already there, but theres not a ton of room for improvement.
Nail Yakupov 65-80 Point scorer
Gets so much bullshit, but I think he will bounce back. So many players have an awful sophomore slump but end up being elite. I think he may be a Jamie Benn or Phil Kessel in his prime
(Maybe) Sam Bennett 60-70 Point scorer with a fantastic 2 way game.
Is one of the top ranked players in this years Draft and is such a great Heart and Soul guy. Reminds me of Sean Monahan.
David Perron 50-60 Point scorer
Already there.
If the Oilers have the chance to grab him they should but this franchise needs to make a push towards icing a complete team next season. We know that the Oilers brass is great with offense that 06 team that made the finals was carried by the depth up front but at the same time, Dick Tarnstrom was one of their premier D-men. But with the best offense in the league (at least top 3) they have the worst excuse for a defensive corps in recent history and that combination will only bring them so far.
Tl;dr: the oilers will get nowhere without completely reshaping their backend.
Nurse, J.Schultz, Klefbom, and Marincin are all potential top 4ers. Especially Nurse, one of the best defensive prospects out there. We cant have Gagner as our 2nd line center any more.
Potential. Why keep these guys who have potential to be top 4 D when you can keep a few around and get some bonafide top 4 D with the excess of talented forwards who are degrading in the system?