Big posts are a style choice, not a scum one.I guess since you already did writeups on all the players, it'd be good to have a rough idea of where they rank on town to scum (I think your summary post was just playerlist order?)
My suspicion mostly comes from remembering matrix NOC where you made like one post every 24 hours which is easy to fake and people let you slide fsr, and I was thinking out loud if you engaging after is a townie sign
Please don't say I'm ignoring the rest of the game with my FV stuff. These were my last reads, need to update them now, but I am working on it. There just... hasn't been any discussion outside of the{Proph, KoC}
{Asek, Yeti, MS, Emp}
{Walrein}
leaves a PoE of Dle, FH, Paper, LW, TTM. I don't realistically think that contains the full scum team, but it's a good place to start. I'll vote anyone in there.
Strong scum gut pings, wtf is this postYou're not even putting your money where your mouth is. There is a distinct lack of your idgaf style.
Good vote in context.Lynch Knightsofcydonia
Hi FH, not gonna pressure you much cos you’re a beloved animal, but
you are townreading josh; so, if he isn’t scum, who is?
do you always posture this much? :/like I actually wanted to roll scum so that I can bust you all but zzzzzzz
I can agree with thisThought these posts were decent townie phrasing. Yeah, even the hot take one. I think looking at relationships like that is more townie than not even if it's memey.
Also thought this was fairly accurate and truthful. I think also that knights as scum would be more scared of me than actively talking about/with me but that's a selfish read.
Asek Paperblade
Okay, but you have one scumread and your reasons haven't been supported by a single person. You're seriously alright with that?well, I will proceed to slay you if you do, so you better dont
I’ll give a proper reads list when I get to a com, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Town:
beloved animals: proph, former
beloved co host: DLE
Probably town: yeti, asek,
Maybe town, who fucking knows: KoC, yourself
Probably scum: josh
everyone else I don’t care too much about
Proph being lock town is part of my FV wall. It is parallel reasoning related to what I am informed about. I don't care if it makes me town, the point of the post is it simply makes them / Proph / one - two other people depending on scum action's 100% undisputable lock town. I think I will be townread off of the solve / claim I make, which would make a mechanical townbloc of 4 or 5 which is huge. That isn't important though. FV is not a common role, it is not luck that it is in this game. We are making progress though! Asek / Josh / Proph / MS / LW pretty much implied they aren't FV I think, so we are getting there. It would make this way easier if they would just claim and take my action and wall but ah well. Like, I'm really trying not to slip what I have atm, but Texas statements have an implication on other info I have which leads to my conclusion that FV is town and X can be used to catch scum reliably. Sorry that I am fixating on this so much, if it wasn't important I wouldn't care as much, I just want a town core I don't need to be paranoid of. :/as a preface to this post i think its nessecary in this game for us all to provide reasoning as to why reads are going out. in a normal game where theres players with more defined tells and contrasting scum / town games its a lot easier to throw out 'x is town' as an experienced player and people will take your read for it but in this game where (myself at least) respects the majority of the PL ability to play a good scum game saying 'yo x is never lynch townlock slot' isnt gonna really cut it
#507 Josh why is proph a locktown slot, looking for further elaboration here. the only truly memorable thing i remember form that slot at this point of my read is downplaying their scumgame.... lolz
#512 at leasr i can agree with not lynching yeti today.... i had them in my town side of things after my last post
the next relevant series of posts from #524 onwards is revolving around the fruit vendor discussion. i dont really care one way or another if a fruit vendor does claim but theres one major caveat to josh strategy that makes me think that even if this fruit vendor did claim, josh logic for as to why theyre town doesnt hold here. texas may have said that 'scum fruit vendor is moronic' (i wouldnt trust any logs stating this anyway, considering smogon is probably the premier mafia community for faking longs) but more important than this is that we dont actually know who designed this game. we dont have any confirmation that it was designed by texas and as such the alignemet of such role if one did exist isnt close to a certainity if given that josh scneario were to be true if texas deisnged game (sorry for word soup but i think that gets the point across??). im not really reading into the exchange further than that but id imagine everyone itg has seen those posts by now so even if there is a fruit vendor they have chosen not to claim at this junction anyway but yeah. the major thing i pulled from this interaction is that josh + ms are both likely town? i dont see scum getting into a major spatting match that draws so much attention onto their slot this early into d1 - traditionally i see this sort of emotional investment coming from a town slot this early rather then scum. josh can comment on my thoughts on this if he likes and correct any misinterpreation i had but thats just how im seeing the fruit vendor = town thing atm
on the other hand stop talking about ms in le smogon invitational
#565 pblade mindmeld
#589 yeti i didnt actually read any of ur blob posts so i didnt realise anything about them
twin + fh exchange start of page 27 weirdest set of posts so far in this game, read these please. feel extremely fabricated by both parties
#684 empoof those posts seem fine now that youve collected them but dont make me tr knights by any means..... i think theyre still sitting in scum territory as far as it goes for me in that i havent seen them really make a case at this point, just really prodding relatively inactive posters and lots of say nothing posts
i dont really like twins slot at this point but #690 trs myself + empoof and follows onto my koc sr..... maybe im getting buddied. maybe we're on the same train of thought. who knows
Are you implying because he is the only one who thinks you are scum, therefore he should think he is wrong?Please don't say I'm ignoring the rest of the game with my FV stuff. These were my last reads, need to update them now, but I am working on it. There just... hasn't been any discussion outside of the
Strong scum gut pings, wtf is this post
Good vote in context.
do you always posture this much? :/
I can agree with this
Okay, but you have one scumread and your reasons haven't been supported by a single person. You're seriously alright with that?
No, I'm implying he should reevaluate and actually look at things with an open mind and realize if I am scum he should agree to my FV stuff since it gives him a free opportunity to lynch me.Are you implying because he is the only one who thinks you are scum, therefore he should think he is wrong?
"Okay, but you have one scumread and your reasons haven't been supported by a single person. You're seriously alright with that?"No, I'm implying he should reevaluate and actually look at things with an open mind and realize if I am scum he should agree to my FV stuff since it gives him a free opportunity to lynch me.
???"Okay, but you have one scumread and your reasons haven't been supported by a single person. You're seriously alright with that?"
No this is what you said, explain what you meant by THIS part.
Why is Paper so high? I can't remember any of his posts really.im here for the next 2 hours pretty much to chat with people
how do people feel about:
asek ^ town
empoof ms josh |
yeti pblade |
lw prop |
KOC Twin dle walrein |
former hope v scum
...and, yea, Paperblade's town.people are in a general order within most of the categories except for the lowposters
these are people I'd probably not lynch today
-I already said asek is my top TR but I might be biased, I tend to make emotionally biased reads and TR people on that if I'm not familiar with them (you can see this in the hydra game I linked) and I feel like this is something like that.
-Empoof I'm sort of leaning town on right now, his reads in general feel like he's trying to move the game forward
-agree that Proph+FH get a pass until animal mafia is over
people I'm less sure of
-Asek: I felt like asek made good points, but Empoof's points are also good and towntells outweigh scumminess. I'm sort of leaning town here I guess?
-Metal sonic: I'm trying to determine if MS is the kind of person who would fake this tunnel as scum. He is super confident and usually those personality types are capable of this sort of thing, but nothing stands out as scummy right now. Also not game related but the trashing on everyone is really obnoxious
-Josh: tbh I have no idea how to read Josh. I'm giving him very slight town points for the fruit vendor thing but it's extremely weak and I wouldn't townread him further on that without a satisfying payoff. Josh is clearly the kind of player who is very comfortable lying and doing scum theater so my paranoia is probably gonna leave this slot null for a long time
-Yeti: the blob shit was kind of annoying and thinking about it as I write this post I'd like you to go explain wtf you were trying to communicate in those posts, or at least game relevant ones. Nothing else she's done stands out to me but I do feel like she's been sort of passive after breaking the blobspam and I don't know how to feel about that? I guess it's not like I was doing shit around the same time so idklol
-walrein we'll see, I think I have a good idea of how his scummeta is (basically the same as mine where he sucks at producing fake reads). He hasn't really produced any reads or content yet but it feels calmer than the game I played with him where he was mafia, more relaxed
these guys need to post more stuff
-fuk LW
-twin is an angry knowitall child and I can usually read him in OC (I think I hardclaimed to him in guzmafia like D1 because I was confident he was town) so hopefully I can do the same here.
-I keep seeing DLE lurking the thread (MU fans are angry now) hopefully he's making that post.
this, however, is also valid.So... paperblade... who is scum? Nobody is scum? Afk lurkers are scum?
I’ve never played with you before and I never read meta on past games as my policy
but from your own self description you said when you are scum you have difficulty generating scumreads on players because you know they are town...
please give us something to work with instead of “everyone is town”
... Does MU not do 10:3 setups too? I thought that was standard.So in this set up we need basically 7 villagers to lynch a scum or some busser(s).
My thought while I was gone was that I wanted a strong secondary wagon to go against twin but idk it feels weird with that mechanic
fineishWhat do you think about twin / fh as wagons
I don't remember specifically, but how I nearly always catch up is I skim to see if there's anything major and then I go through and reply to stuff post by post. I also don't read in depth during the skim though, so I do miss a lot of stuff. It is just quicker in case there's a random l-1 or day vig or something important.Josh was this post being written as you went through the thread and read each individual post, replying to each then readin ahead more?
PoE. I have you as town now. That said, at the time you hadn't done anything, iirc Paper and FH hadn't either but I remember the last time we played you as scum lurked early game and ended up endgaming bad town. Just meant I townread every poster for the most part.#465 why am I where I am on that read list? Why are the lowest rated people all low activity?
This. :(#525 I support the claim plan and do think Fruit Vendor should claim, we can if we suspect him verify his claims by lynching him afterward
At the time I don't believe there were any non FV posts to engage? That was the centric discussion. I don't believe it is good play to focus on that and ignore the rest of the game either, don't worry.CONCLUSION: Answer my questions, till then would lynch today. Drop the fruit stuff at the end of your posts and continue scumhunting and don't make posts solely dedicated to arguing for the fruit thing or arguing against MS. None of those help me get a better read on you or MS, and they just hold the game up and make us choose at the end essentially randomly.
I thought it was slightly sus too, but alright. Good mindmeld.CONCLUSION: Besides the Ms Empoof interaction being suspect, he is altright. Wouldn't lynch today.
Did I miss something?- still need Josh to answer my stuff from my last bigger post
What's the difference between Twin's town game and his scum game? What experience do you have with either?Good morning. Walrus has been moved to Sunday, so I'm probably going to be scarce then between that and church.
Josh It's a meta read. Twin's usual play is to bounce naked votes and settle in later when the wagons have substance. I've been able before to see it for what is is: a guy who doesn't have to answer to anyone else. The absense of it is strange and worrisome to me.
the lowposting/lack of general interaction with the game thread is what's scummy, not necessarily the wall in itself. Walls are a style choice but they're easier to fake which is why I was wondering if you sticking around is a good sign, neutral, or if you're trying to skirt that read by being active by getting in a discussion that doesn't really advance reads, but I'm starting to think that was a silly line of thought because it'd require you to have a popularly known meta and then you actively trying to subvert it. I think you're capable of the latter but I think the premise of that meta being well known/completely accurate was probably faultyBig posts are a style choice, not a scum one.
As for rankings they suck, I do not arbitrarily give value to whom I suspect more when the reasons for suspecting one are not remotely similar to why I may suspect another. Even then there are difference between who did it, when they did it and the context. The only rankings I care about I already gave, would I at this point in time be willing to lynch them, yes or no. Other than that I will push them as appropriate(My big post in and off itself is meant to be reacted to) may drop them today, may push them harder, as long as the lynch narrows my suspect list I am happy.
How are walls easier to fake? Aren’t walls harder to fake since there’s literally more content in them which will means more information to be held to scrutiny?the lowposting/lack of general interaction with the game thread is what's scummy, not necessarily the wall in itself. Walls are a style choice but they're easier to fake which is why I was wondering if you sticking around is a good sign, neutral, or if you're trying to skirt that read by being active by getting in a discussion that doesn't really advance reads, but I'm starting to think that was a silly line of thought because it'd require you to have a popularly known meta and then you actively trying to subvert it. I think you're capable of the latter but I think the premise of that meta being well known/completely accurate was probably faulty
Josh wrt scumreads, I do think there's a good chance twin is scum right now. Twin's a person who always thinks he's right and will let you know it. He likes to boss people around because he thinks he knows better than them. The fact that it's been over 24 hours and he hasn't done shit is concerning because as scum he's much more reserved, probably because he lacks the FIRE of feeling that he's right and everyone else should stfu and listen to him and is inwardly scared/anxious. That last sentence is kind of psychoanalysis bullshit but he does tend to be quieter and less willing to push things
thinking of it I'm also not super happy that Walrein didn't come back after getting his spaghetti since he felt sorta passive before that, I don't recall any real reads he gave while he was about
might as well put me below ttm, remember, you’re scumreading me{Proph}
{Emp, LW, Paper}
{KoC, Yeti, Asek}
{Walrein, DLE, FH, MS}
{TTM}
Where am I scumreading you? go quote thatmight as well put me below ttm, remember, you’re scumreading me