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NOC The Mafia Invitational (Game Thread) [D2 Deadline: Friday, March 2nd, 6 PM EST]
- Thread starter Texas Cloverleaf
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Don’t worry I will make sure of that; I’m a responsible player!
Great PSA though
Great PSA though
What do you think about twin / fh as wagons
is fh still alive in that other game cause i can understand slank here
him and twin both going HEY IDIOT WHAT DO U THINK OF THE GAME when both have few posts is like. lol.
does twin even struggle with content as mafia? like dude is nowhere in this game. him/fh feels kinda theatery cause they both just said u have no posts post more loser at each other.
fine with twin wagon, eh on fh if he has another game
Yes I am. and ngl, I'm finding it really personally hard to keep up with this game and keep my reads in the other game straight.
That said, I do want to discuss your twin v me thing a bit. Mostly there's a difference. I whole heartedly admit I haven't been posting much (and though this, question why in the hell twin had a scum read on me for like the 2 joke posts I had done so far this game at that point) and then when twin kept pressing me, I pushed back because I was seeing that he was pushing other people (KOC and myself) without actually answering or putting any effort in himself. Ie he was trying to get other people to answer things when he himself was merely pushing without adding any of his own reads to the mix which felt sketchy to me.
Side note, inactive twin is not nessasarily scum twin. He was inactive in animal mafia and ended up being town, but also same level of inactivity in.... JOAT mafia I think it was, when he was mafia. So it's NAI imo.
last time checking the thread for today for me. a few points
- looks like fh and twin are rising to be the wagons for today. encourage everyone to ISO those slots (theyre both short) and come to their own thoughts on those 2 slots, paying attention to the interactions on page 27
-dle skirting the thread is noted
- still need Josh to answer my stuff from my last bigger post
other people itg are in other games or are otherwise busy, dont see how fh cant pull the finger out and post here. im glad someone else sees the interaction between twin / fh as potential w/w tho.
- looks like fh and twin are rising to be the wagons for today. encourage everyone to ISO those slots (theyre both short) and come to their own thoughts on those 2 slots, paying attention to the interactions on page 27
-dle skirting the thread is noted
- still need Josh to answer my stuff from my last bigger post
other people itg are in other games or are otherwise busy, dont see how fh cant pull the finger out and post here. im glad someone else sees the interaction between twin / fh as potential w/w tho.
Reread of first 10 pages:
Metal Sonic takes shit way too seriously. I sort of already knew this but hadn't seen it manifest in that way. Doesn't feel the same as LMFAO - Shots: The Mafia Game after reflection so prolly town ig
Empoof lightly engages in trying to do solvey stuff but not really. It's been way too long since I've played a mafia game with Empoof but he's playing fast and loose so far. If this is his scum game, he's gotten a lot better.
Yeti doesn't do anything alignment indicative
I hate the pickle rick post, but I know asek has memed about sending pickle rick for walruses and shit so it isn't nearly as forced as if it were literally anyone else. He was just mass lurking the thread for a while though which sets off alarm bells. He's never been massive post-count but I think this is more indicative of his scum game than town game
I posted a picture of the Roll Safe meme and Josh shat on the guy's watch. Metal Sonic called Josh a racist, to which I replied "not on my watch". In contention for best post in the thread, we will see if further competition struts up
Twin's not being obvious town tryhard twin but he did this in Animal Mafia and from Voting Mafia I know Twin is pretty disengaged so I'm not willing to die on that hill
KoC is posting poorly both from a "this is weird" perspective and from a "I am slowly getting more drunk" perspective. I approve much more of the latter than the former.
Walrein doesn't do anything alignment indicative
Josh doesn't do anything alignment indicative.
Proph's claim is probably town
If I didn't mention you you probably didn't do very much in the first 10 pages
Metal Sonic takes shit way too seriously. I sort of already knew this but hadn't seen it manifest in that way. Doesn't feel the same as LMFAO - Shots: The Mafia Game after reflection so prolly town ig
Empoof lightly engages in trying to do solvey stuff but not really. It's been way too long since I've played a mafia game with Empoof but he's playing fast and loose so far. If this is his scum game, he's gotten a lot better.
Yeti doesn't do anything alignment indicative
I hate the pickle rick post, but I know asek has memed about sending pickle rick for walruses and shit so it isn't nearly as forced as if it were literally anyone else. He was just mass lurking the thread for a while though which sets off alarm bells. He's never been massive post-count but I think this is more indicative of his scum game than town game
I posted a picture of the Roll Safe meme and Josh shat on the guy's watch. Metal Sonic called Josh a racist, to which I replied "not on my watch". In contention for best post in the thread, we will see if further competition struts up
Twin's not being obvious town tryhard twin but he did this in Animal Mafia and from Voting Mafia I know Twin is pretty disengaged so I'm not willing to die on that hill
KoC is posting poorly both from a "this is weird" perspective and from a "I am slowly getting more drunk" perspective. I approve much more of the latter than the former.
Walrein doesn't do anything alignment indicative
Josh doesn't do anything alignment indicative.
Proph's claim is probably town
If I didn't mention you you probably didn't do very much in the first 10 pages
Welcome one and all to me lowering my postcount, have fun.
Asek
#388 Hmm my only major problem(beside disagreements on stuff) is the kicking people out the door for not liking them post by KoC seemingly taken out of context, just to continue building a case on KoC. That line I found completely justifiable, since it was in relation to actually providing reasons for voting people rather than just not liking how they have been playing. #729 Those are some bad reasonings against the fruit vendor thing. Firstly the texas logs could be faked, so what? We can in multiple ways verify if Josh lied about them, and it creates solid proof we can hold him liable for. The Texas didn't design it argument is ridiculous. If the logs are true(and this only matters if they are real) then Texas would have sought out a different setup or had enough creative input to deny the role. Arguing for or against the vendor claim hurts the game, either okay it, or have good reasons to deny it, and do so once, otherwise we spend weeks discussing it rather than who to lynch.
CONCLUSION: While seemingly town read by a good chunk, there are small moments of manipulative nitpicking, where quantity of reasons seems to trump their quality. Would lynch today.
Yeti
#139
#267 Because they are taking away attention from worthwhile issues and allowing Yeti to essentially give 1 word answers to everything under the sun. Your blob posting has essentially invalidated most of your early game and will lead to either you have to explain every reaction bought into question, or they will be basically ignored in any read made against you. Regardless of allignment I do not approve of a posting quirk which essentially removes a big chunk of posts being used in comparing thought processes between early and late game, especially when their meaning can be twisted to fit in line with current mentality displayed at the time when questioned about them.
CONCLUSION: While the blob thing was dropped, it irreversibly left a mark on Yeti's day 1, and outside of it nothing grabbed my attention. I'd like to see the detailed explanation for the blob read list a while back, and what changed from then to now.
Thetwinmasters
#639 Firstly I disagree with Knights on the matter of lacking a don't give a fuck attitude, you most certainly didn't give two shots how this post after your previous performance would look, but that does not mean I won't tale offence at the sheer hypocrisy at hand.
CONCLUSION: Wanna see more, but would lynch today.(No point doing a summary for a single point)
Da Letter El
#161 Oh god that was an amazing pun. #217 This feels like a hypocritical overreaction. Nearly nothing doen in this thread by anyone has been helpful to the village besides testing confortability with posting, friendly reminder that the only post of yours that I took note of was a pun too. Also it was literally a joke about if mafia won't kill them vig just might, if anything I'd have waited for someone to actually try discussing vigs before shutting down any talk on the matter.
CONCLUSION: Unless he gets active today I wouldn't lynch him, but if he doesn't get active today I'd lynch him tomorrow.
KnightsofCydonia
#667 Most pointless course of action to take at that point in time. No push, no opinion, just a boring call out, towards a person who already expressed the fact they are in multiple games and therefore busy. It's by itself hypocritical to ask someone for general input on the day rather than first provide one of their own.
CONCLUSION: Don't agree with most counts of attacks on him on his drunk stuff, despite that he has been meh to bad since then. He should get drunk or I'd lynch him today.
Josh
#390 Don't disagree with any of his metal counterpoints, but I can't figure out if the frustrated tone is real or fake. It seems understandable and fits the situation where you are catching up and see a person blatantly calling for your lynch with no real justification. Josh was this post being written as you went through the thread and read each individual post, replying to each then readin ahead more? #465 why am I where I am on that read list? Why are the lowest rated people all low activity? #525 I support the claim plan and do think Fruit Vendor should claim, we can if we suspect him verify his claims by lynching him afterward, as long as the thing KoC is currently reading ain't resolved people will less likely wanna lynch Josh in the first place.
CONCLUSION: Answer my questions, till then would lynch today. Drop the fruit stuff at the end of your posts and continue scumhunting and don't make posts solely dedicated to arguing for the fruit thing or arguing against MS. None of those help me get a better read on you or MS, and they just hold the game up and make us choose at the end essentially randomly.
Walrein
#464 One of the rare cases where I will positively react to something. Yes the MS witchhunt essentially gave people a free out from discussion or having to present ideas. I feel a scum could just pull this without the need of calling the peeps involved out. Now Walrein might have just posted this out of principle, but in general I'd like all to look at what people were up to when things got heated between Drake and Josh.
CONCLUSION: Wouldn't lynch. Needs to get his ass into gear so I can actually have a chance to find more on him.
Prophylaxis
CONCLUSION: Being busy with multiple games is nice and all, but if you can't post a retrospective I at least expect you to jump into current discussion more, and want to see your take on as much as you can that I posted here. Till then would lynch today.
Paperblade
#423 No one better fucking ignore anything in the thread. I don't care if it's shitposts, they are the building blocks of how we reached the current situations, and anyone who doesn't get the basics themselves will be strung along by people's out of context recounts painted in their own interpretation. Suggesting not to familiarize yourself with the shitposting phase is asking people to make the wrong decision down the line.#793 Well... uh... you ain't the sharpest tool in the shed!
CONCLUSION: Wouldn't vote today, but pick up the slack tomorrow or you down.
Former Hope
CONCLUSION: What I wrote for Proph.
Empoof
#70 Just taking a note to see how this changes and if any of it gets explained. #245 You had walrein so far down the bottom of your first list that I must ask, WHY this sudden shift. And I don't want to hear that you won't explain what you read positively in people. #691 As my point stated I was solely posting the vacuum of the fruit vendor shouting match, with some slight opinions of general MS behavior slipping in. I merely wanted to contribute to the current events while I couldn't work on my ketchup post. As you can see here I had more to say about both.
CONCLUSION: Besides the Ms Empoof interaction being suspect, he is altright. Wouldn't lynch today.
Metal Sonic
#80 WTF is this blatant over reaction, especially when it's confirmed to be serious afterwards. Even if I consider it to be extremely serious messing around, you went off on empoof after this for a while, never signaling in any way you were not serious about it. There is a reason I stated both your Josh and Empoof pushes as a pointless distractions that have had no positive effect on the game. #99 See? No reasoning, no attempt at convincing, just a flat statement and asking people to go along with it. #116 Okay go, I challange you QUOTE every single Empoof post made before that point and EXPLAIN IN DETAIL how they are all scummy. Go. #155 Firstly what do you have against caesas? Secondly no, very much no, not making cases and just pointing at people(which I consider your big post with 7 reasons to be as well, despite it's lenght) just makes it easy to hide in plain sight and protects any of your logic from scrutiny. #267 Because they are taking away attention from worthwhile issues and allowing Yeti to essentially give 1 word answers to everything under the sun. For someone complaining about the game quality it seems hypocritical to be so in love with a posting style that's the epitome of meme over game. #373 Gambler's Fallacy, the fact your big justification for a lynch is your accomplishments not something you can explain and have others agree on makes it pointless. Your reasoning for Josh(I think this was Josh already) starts at essentially him not worshipping you like a god and accepting your invitation to serve at your feet as his investigating "partner". This ignores the fact it'd be far more useful to work with you as scum to essentially hide from your sight at all times if you are really that good. #398 Sigh #401 For someone trying to quote him, you very obviously cherrypicked that, because if you had quoted what he had said in the post he said former, it'd have been clear to anyone he meant to say latter in the context of "shitposting is fun and all but it's page 12 of "the most prestigious noc on Smogon" not a game for one of the better players to have a retarded gimmick". That part didn't seem to imply abything but asking Yeti to stop doing the blob thing, rather what the former implied with thinking it's wolfy. You are either so biased that your attempts to analyze Josh are pointless to consider or you are scum, neither is good for us. #417 And doubling down on it, the fact to dismiss additional proof so easily rather than pushing forward with it either means you don't care to actually prove his guilt to others, or are so obsessed with the fact Josh has to be scum that people should just agree with you when you point at him. #542 This is just shady, you don't want to read anything by Josh therefore you will never get any evidence he ain't scum in the first place! The fact you are telling others to do the same just the icing on the cake. You either scum or don't have a shred of actual self confidence and don't want to engage Josh out of fear he can trick you. #700 Josh is probably scum? PROBABLY? Not to mention your only meaningful opinion is on Josh there, when there is 2 more scum(there be 3 right?). What is up with all that?
CONCLUSION: If you don't improve your focus and attitude, I rather see you dead before Josh. I have qualms with you plays, but they are too much seeped in 1.5 interactions that I find pointless, that I can't draw a meaningful conclusion. Yes we know, you found a scum and his name is Josh. Go back to the post you made for pblade explaining you Josh suspicions, grab the link to it, post it at the end of your every future post. Then go and attempt to find another scum, because at this point no one is buying josh as a lynch, and if you don't diversify you won't see better results as when I kept screaming Celever for a whole game. Even if Josh is scum and we lynch him all you got is a ticket to hell, so how about leaving more behind, and not just a sign saying fuck yall I was right!.
Asek
#388 Hmm my only major problem(beside disagreements on stuff) is the kicking people out the door for not liking them post by KoC seemingly taken out of context, just to continue building a case on KoC. That line I found completely justifiable, since it was in relation to actually providing reasons for voting people rather than just not liking how they have been playing. #729 Those are some bad reasonings against the fruit vendor thing. Firstly the texas logs could be faked, so what? We can in multiple ways verify if Josh lied about them, and it creates solid proof we can hold him liable for. The Texas didn't design it argument is ridiculous. If the logs are true(and this only matters if they are real) then Texas would have sought out a different setup or had enough creative input to deny the role. Arguing for or against the vendor claim hurts the game, either okay it, or have good reasons to deny it, and do so once, otherwise we spend weeks discussing it rather than who to lynch.
CONCLUSION: While seemingly town read by a good chunk, there are small moments of manipulative nitpicking, where quantity of reasons seems to trump their quality. Would lynch today.
Yeti
#139
CONCLUSION: While the blob thing was dropped, it irreversibly left a mark on Yeti's day 1, and outside of it nothing grabbed my attention. I'd like to see the detailed explanation for the blob read list a while back, and what changed from then to now.
Thetwinmasters
#639 Firstly I disagree with Knights on the matter of lacking a don't give a fuck attitude, you most certainly didn't give two shots how this post after your previous performance would look, but that does not mean I won't tale offence at the sheer hypocrisy at hand.
CONCLUSION: Wanna see more, but would lynch today.(No point doing a summary for a single point)
Da Letter El
#161 Oh god that was an amazing pun. #217 This feels like a hypocritical overreaction. Nearly nothing doen in this thread by anyone has been helpful to the village besides testing confortability with posting, friendly reminder that the only post of yours that I took note of was a pun too. Also it was literally a joke about if mafia won't kill them vig just might, if anything I'd have waited for someone to actually try discussing vigs before shutting down any talk on the matter.
CONCLUSION: Unless he gets active today I wouldn't lynch him, but if he doesn't get active today I'd lynch him tomorrow.
KnightsofCydonia
#667 Most pointless course of action to take at that point in time. No push, no opinion, just a boring call out, towards a person who already expressed the fact they are in multiple games and therefore busy. It's by itself hypocritical to ask someone for general input on the day rather than first provide one of their own.
CONCLUSION: Don't agree with most counts of attacks on him on his drunk stuff, despite that he has been meh to bad since then. He should get drunk or I'd lynch him today.
Josh
#390 Don't disagree with any of his metal counterpoints, but I can't figure out if the frustrated tone is real or fake. It seems understandable and fits the situation where you are catching up and see a person blatantly calling for your lynch with no real justification. Josh was this post being written as you went through the thread and read each individual post, replying to each then readin ahead more? #465 why am I where I am on that read list? Why are the lowest rated people all low activity? #525 I support the claim plan and do think Fruit Vendor should claim, we can if we suspect him verify his claims by lynching him afterward, as long as the thing KoC is currently reading ain't resolved people will less likely wanna lynch Josh in the first place.
CONCLUSION: Answer my questions, till then would lynch today. Drop the fruit stuff at the end of your posts and continue scumhunting and don't make posts solely dedicated to arguing for the fruit thing or arguing against MS. None of those help me get a better read on you or MS, and they just hold the game up and make us choose at the end essentially randomly.
Walrein
#464 One of the rare cases where I will positively react to something. Yes the MS witchhunt essentially gave people a free out from discussion or having to present ideas. I feel a scum could just pull this without the need of calling the peeps involved out. Now Walrein might have just posted this out of principle, but in general I'd like all to look at what people were up to when things got heated between Drake and Josh.
CONCLUSION: Wouldn't lynch. Needs to get his ass into gear so I can actually have a chance to find more on him.
Prophylaxis
CONCLUSION: Being busy with multiple games is nice and all, but if you can't post a retrospective I at least expect you to jump into current discussion more, and want to see your take on as much as you can that I posted here. Till then would lynch today.
Paperblade
#423 No one better fucking ignore anything in the thread. I don't care if it's shitposts, they are the building blocks of how we reached the current situations, and anyone who doesn't get the basics themselves will be strung along by people's out of context recounts painted in their own interpretation. Suggesting not to familiarize yourself with the shitposting phase is asking people to make the wrong decision down the line.#793 Well... uh... you ain't the sharpest tool in the shed!
CONCLUSION: Wouldn't vote today, but pick up the slack tomorrow or you down.
Former Hope
CONCLUSION: What I wrote for Proph.
Empoof
#70 Just taking a note to see how this changes and if any of it gets explained. #245 You had walrein so far down the bottom of your first list that I must ask, WHY this sudden shift. And I don't want to hear that you won't explain what you read positively in people. #691 As my point stated I was solely posting the vacuum of the fruit vendor shouting match, with some slight opinions of general MS behavior slipping in. I merely wanted to contribute to the current events while I couldn't work on my ketchup post. As you can see here I had more to say about both.
CONCLUSION: Besides the Ms Empoof interaction being suspect, he is altright. Wouldn't lynch today.
Metal Sonic
#80 WTF is this blatant over reaction, especially when it's confirmed to be serious afterwards. Even if I consider it to be extremely serious messing around, you went off on empoof after this for a while, never signaling in any way you were not serious about it. There is a reason I stated both your Josh and Empoof pushes as a pointless distractions that have had no positive effect on the game. #99 See? No reasoning, no attempt at convincing, just a flat statement and asking people to go along with it. #116 Okay go, I challange you QUOTE every single Empoof post made before that point and EXPLAIN IN DETAIL how they are all scummy. Go. #155 Firstly what do you have against caesas? Secondly no, very much no, not making cases and just pointing at people(which I consider your big post with 7 reasons to be as well, despite it's lenght) just makes it easy to hide in plain sight and protects any of your logic from scrutiny. #267 Because they are taking away attention from worthwhile issues and allowing Yeti to essentially give 1 word answers to everything under the sun. For someone complaining about the game quality it seems hypocritical to be so in love with a posting style that's the epitome of meme over game. #373 Gambler's Fallacy, the fact your big justification for a lynch is your accomplishments not something you can explain and have others agree on makes it pointless. Your reasoning for Josh(I think this was Josh already) starts at essentially him not worshipping you like a god and accepting your invitation to serve at your feet as his investigating "partner". This ignores the fact it'd be far more useful to work with you as scum to essentially hide from your sight at all times if you are really that good. #398 Sigh #401 For someone trying to quote him, you very obviously cherrypicked that, because if you had quoted what he had said in the post he said former, it'd have been clear to anyone he meant to say latter in the context of "shitposting is fun and all but it's page 12 of "the most prestigious noc on Smogon" not a game for one of the better players to have a retarded gimmick". That part didn't seem to imply abything but asking Yeti to stop doing the blob thing, rather what the former implied with thinking it's wolfy. You are either so biased that your attempts to analyze Josh are pointless to consider or you are scum, neither is good for us. #417 And doubling down on it, the fact to dismiss additional proof so easily rather than pushing forward with it either means you don't care to actually prove his guilt to others, or are so obsessed with the fact Josh has to be scum that people should just agree with you when you point at him. #542 This is just shady, you don't want to read anything by Josh therefore you will never get any evidence he ain't scum in the first place! The fact you are telling others to do the same just the icing on the cake. You either scum or don't have a shred of actual self confidence and don't want to engage Josh out of fear he can trick you. #700 Josh is probably scum? PROBABLY? Not to mention your only meaningful opinion is on Josh there, when there is 2 more scum(there be 3 right?). What is up with all that?
CONCLUSION: If you don't improve your focus and attitude, I rather see you dead before Josh. I have qualms with you plays, but they are too much seeped in 1.5 interactions that I find pointless, that I can't draw a meaningful conclusion. Yes we know, you found a scum and his name is Josh. Go back to the post you made for pblade explaining you Josh suspicions, grab the link to it, post it at the end of your every future post. Then go and attempt to find another scum, because at this point no one is buying josh as a lynch, and if you don't diversify you won't see better results as when I kept screaming Celever for a whole game. Even if Josh is scum and we lynch him all you got is a ticket to hell, so how about leaving more behind, and not just a sign saying fuck yall I was right!.
wow, so many long posts, read all of them
Pblade is like “i don’t wanna lynch anyone”
light wolf entire post is “I can lynch anyone”
like w a t
I can’t even read what’s going on now this is too extreme
Pblade is like “i don’t wanna lynch anyone”
light wolf entire post is “I can lynch anyone”
like w a t
I can’t even read what’s going on now this is too extreme
Who is celever???
Here we can see the wild hyperbole in it's natural habitat. It is currently trying to attract mates by twisting the truth posting tl;drs for others, rather than engaging it's natural predator, logic.
DLE you can only contend for best posts in thread only cos haruno the goat isn’t in here
fuck logic
“Logic” type players playing mafia are snowball types, they’re pretty useless early game simply because there hasn’t been sufficient info to even derive a logical and sound conclusion
by the time those players get powerful late game they’re usually probably dead
by the time those players get powerful late game they’re usually probably dead
Like tell me light wolf how you expect to solve a day 1 with “logic” when we have no info, no flips, no PRs to work off, nothing. Zilch. Just “reads” and people’s opinions (read: NOT FACTS) about each other
Logic can’t work without facts and you know this
So stop shitting down my throat
So stop shitting down my throat
I can't top "but treestumps aren't animals" it's true
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