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Tournament The SCL VI OU Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the Smogon Champions League VI's OU Discussion thread!

SCL VI is a tournament where 10 teams compete across many of SV's formats, including Ubers, UU, RU, NU, PU, LC, Doubles, and OU! With 3 OU slots, we'll be seeing 15 OU games every week, spanning the next 9 weeks. SCL starts right after the laddering phase of OLT ends, being the last major tournament of the year. This thread will be used to discuss shifts in the meta, share usage stats and replays, and will hopefully include teams shared by the top SV OU players.

Here are the teams participating in this year's SCL, with captains in italics and SV OU players bolded once the first round is out (until then you get my assumptions):

:Aegislash: Arena Spartans tko / vivalospride / ninjadog
Attribute, Niko, Patatexv, JojoOui, Nails, MichaelderBeste2, Spitfire, aerobee, PigWarrior19, Shadow079, DD Joe, JuanSG, etern, Fc

:Melmetal: Circuit Breakers Mada / elodin / Togkey
Let's Rumble Shall We, SoulWind, MGdos16, Rubyblood, crying, xavgb, JustFranco, Lokifan, Nat, Ann, ratpacker, Thiago Nunes, Vitiate, MZ

:Falinks: Indigo Platoon Django / Baddy / Quinn
clean, yerdunc, Lacks, ojr, NoName6293, Icemaster, Hacker, Gondra, Mossy Sandwich, Xiri, Akaru Kokuyo, Cielau, DubiousBulb1033, GaryTheGengar, Esteb4n

:Ninetales-Alola: Mt. Silver Foxes Finchinator / Laurel / purbaj
Stareal, Mako, vk, Pkel SweeTforU, DugZa, Danny, pdt, Laroxyl, qsns, Skyiew, Tuthur, Micciu, OranBerryBlissey10, Smudge

:Exeggutor: Orange Islanders Dave / tier / hellom
Ewin, zS, kDCA, Mattz_, MemphisDepay, Xrn, GeniusX, Lana, Larry, robjr, reggg, Vulpix03, Highlord, Slikkles, mintwinter, qrChar

:Zapdos-Galar: Power Plant Dynamos blank / Raiza / bbeeaa
AgencyIsOwn, Garay oak, Kebab mlml, Tempo di anguria, glass shadows, Leroipolux, TheFranklin, Ruffles, wail, brick, Metallica126, mike, Platum, Kaboom, Mareep, Monai, spell, EternalSnowman

:Kingambit: Showdown Shoguns Giannis Antetokommo-o / ima / Star
Vert, Silent Waltz, Axzel, watashi, lax, CTC, Trichotomy, KCric, Sabella, breakfast enjoyer, Heatranator, Sheik :, Eniigma, hjkhj

:Gible: Studio Gible Feliburn / Accel / Master Chief
Fusien, Eternal Spirit, Mimikyu Stardust, sire clod, Suzuya, Dugtrio Is Broken, LpZ, Shengineer, bagel, tazz, Code, lighthouses, Regiboob, Taka, Fallen S0lidier

:Mew: Technical Machines Expulso / Bouff / xcx
Separation, zioziotrip, Plague, cala_aa, Potatochan, Punny, entrocefalo, Envy, THE_CHUNGLER, Elias Psy, eragon, Hasayo, Denial, HAVOCKNIGHT, Kushalos

:Gyarados: Uncharted Terrors shiloh / Kunal / Gingy
SirPeanutCronch, LB, SammyCe123, waffle04, DAHLI, Achimoo, baconeatinassassin, zugubu royale, dcae, ChrisPBacon, big tony 2014, Ampha, Diamonds_realm, sky, Drud, zee​


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Gotta love the shoguns for drafting the most shogun team of all time. Really hope we can see lax play but I'm assuming he won't unfortunately. Wonder how that'll impact the shogun season but family always comes first
 
Because this thread is dead, and because I got an exam coming up and I do anything but study, I will just post my predicts here and see how many I get right, feel free to join or discuss my biased picks:

Circuit Breakers (1) vs (2) Technical Machines
SV OU: Rubyblood vs Potatochan
SV OU: crying vs Separation - Banger
SV OU: SoulWind vs zioziotrip

Arena Spartans (2) vs (1) Studio Gible
SV OU: Patatexv vs Fusien - Rooting for my boy pata tho
SV OU: Attribute vs Dugtrio Is Broken
SV OU: Niko vs Eternal Spirit

Orange Islanders (2) vs (1) Indigo Platoon
SV OU: kDCA vs yerdunc
SV OU: zS vs NoName6293 - Banger
SV OU: Ewin vs clean - I rate both very high

Uncharted Terrors (2) vs (1) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: LB vs Leroipolux
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs glass shadows
SV OU: Achimoo vs Garay oak

Mt. Silver Foxes (2) vs (1) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: Stareal vs Vert
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs Axzel - Boring...
SV OU: vk vs Silent Waltz
 
ty pkel for inspiring me to do these

Circuit Breakers (0) vs (3) Technical Machines
SV OU: Rubyblood vs Potatochan
SV OU: crying vs Separation
SV OU: SoulWind vs zioziotrip
go machines :)

Arena Spartans (1) vs (2) Studio Gible
SV OU: Patatexv vs Fusien
SV OU: Attribute vs Dugtrio Is Broken (gonna be a fun watch either way)
SV OU: Niko vs Eternal Spirit

Orange Islanders (0) vs (3) Indigo Platoon
SV OU: kDCA vs yerdunc
SV OU: zS vs NoName6293
SV OU: Ewin vs clean
I rate the platoons care pretty highly they’re kinda fire

Uncharted Terrors (2) vs (1) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: LB vs Leroipolux
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs glass shadows
SV OU: Achimoo vs Garay oak (expecting a close one here tho)

Mt. Silver Foxes (1) vs (2) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: Stareal vs Vert
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs Axzel (Axzel with his support I think wins this. Super close tho)
SV OU: vk vs Silent Waltz
 
I cant believe theres only 2 predicts even though its already week 5

Circuit Breakers (3) vs (0) Technical Machines
SV OU: Rubyblood vs Potatochan
SV OU: crying vs Separation - crying always brings cool teams, will be a tough match though
SV OU: SoulWind vs zioziotrip


Arena Spartans (2) vs (1) Studio Gible
SV OU: Patatexv vs Fusien
SV OU: Attribute vs Dugtrio Is Broken
SV OU: Niko vs Eternal Spirit

Orange Islanders (1) vs (1) Indigo Platoon
SV OU: kDCA vs yerdunc - have not seen games from either yet idk
SV OU: zS vs NoName6293 - olt 3-0
SV OU: Ewin vs clean - ewins gonna win since he is locked in for sv ou rn but still:
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Uncharted Terrors (3) vs (0) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: LB vs Leroipolux
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs glass shadows
SV OU: Achimoo vs Garay oak
our ou slots are all ass but theirs are even worse, lets go terrors!

Mt. Silver Foxes (2) vs (1) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: Stareal vs Vert
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs Axzel - both olt qualifiers, will be a good one, rooting for better record one
SV OU: vk vs Silent Waltz
 
Circuit Breakers (1) vs (2) Technical Machines
SV OU: Rubyblood vs Potatochan
SV OU: crying vs Separation - begging and praying for some new crying heat
SV OU: SoulWind vs zioziotrip

Arena Spartans (1) vs (2) Studio Gible
SV OU: Patatexv vs Fusien
SV OU: Attribute vs Dugtrio is BROKEN - Yall not ready ong
SV OU: Niko vs Eternal Spirit - Niko has been loading some cool teams the mew one was fire, excited for this one

Orange Islanders (1) vs (2) Indigo Platoon
SV OU: kDCA vs yerdunc - Yerdunc also been loading interesting stuff, but unfrotunately i think kdca 2 good
SV OU: zS vs NoName6293 - Nonames like top 5 sitewide if u rly think about it
SV OU: Ewin vs clean

Mt. Silver Foxes (0) vs (3) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: Stareal vs Vert
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs Axzel
SV OU: vk vs Silent Waltz - 0-2000 mu?
 
thx pkel idt I'll do this every week since I gotta come back in predicts tour

Discussion prompt for the group: how much of the 11-1 Foxes start comes down to prep vs play? how about the 1-11 Dynamos? Show your work. (5 marks for clarity, 5 marks for detail)

SV OU: Rubyblood vs Potatochan
SV OU: crying vs Separation
SV OU: SoulWind vs zioziotrip (nobody in the tier has better wins than bute + ewin)
(breakers have basically run out their week 1 lineup for 15 weeks in a row, but surely at some point you want to see rumble)

SV OU: Patatexv vs Fusien
SV OU: Attribute vs Dugtrio Is Broken (I bold attribute against everyone in the tournament in ou I think)
SV OU: Niko vs Eternal Spirit (both players peaked higher in this tier earlier in the gen. think the spartans are better equipped to maximize their veterans)

SV OU: kDCA vs yerdunc (picked kdca last week vs vert and got rewarded)
SV OU: zS vs NoName6293 (found noname's olt ladder games unconvincing, but this is like abr last year; olt ladder is still the ultimate training ground. not sure if putting zs here is optimal for the islanders, will think more abt it, but I'm really high on zs in any tier)
SV OU: Ewin vs clean (obvious highlight between a pair of olt finalists)
(huge start for the platoon. I really like the concept of stacking ou in this pool but I am not certain it's the best call for the islanders because I trust memphisdepay ou more than I do their other pu options)

SV OU: LB vs Leroipolux
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs glass shadows
SV OU: Achimoo vs Garay oak
(I like garay here spell uu. makes sense to me. but I feel like you need someone to be the player you paid agency 15k to be if you're going to salvage the season, idk who that's gonna be. is dahli really going to stay on the bench after two losses, one of them to one of the best players in the tournament. obv the terrors know more than me)

SV OU: Stareal vs Vert
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs Axzel (predicting pkel jj olt finals you heard it here first)
SV OU: vk vs Silent Waltz
(picked foxes to drop an ou game last week and they didn't. 11-1 is crazy. the benefit of stacking your sv here in such an unproven pool is that you get severe skill mismatches in your sv2 and 3 matchups, so they'd be in good position for 9-3 even if they didn't also take the sv1 matchups vs attribute and fusien. foxes showing why I loved their draft, and their weak spot so far (mako) is in their easiest spot to cover (micciu and obb backups with dugza support)
 
Since everyone else is doing it I might as well jump on the bandwagon and do some predicts. Just to be a little different I'll only do the matchups I have something new to say about or I think will make for an interesting game:

Niko vs Eternal Spirit 49-51
Niko has had a really interesting scl so far, he's coming of a massive victory vs separation where I feel like he had a choreographed gameplan for the stall matchup specifically which is ironic because he was just made the victim of a horrible matchup piloting stall vs crying. As for Eternal Spirit he's been through the mandatory hyperbolic time chamber that is olt ladder pre-scl, for me at least he wasn't super impressive but I know he has had super high peaks (elo and gxe) in previous renditions of olt. So far it's been so so (considering the death's row of opponents he's dealt with) with a super impressive win vs yerdunc and two losses vs kDCA and Stareal. I think this will come down to what teams they bring since I don't see a huge gap in play, which probably favours Eternal Spirit because he has been bringing the more stable teams than Niko.

LB vs Leroipolux 60-40
I don't have much to say about this game I just feel that it might have some cool teams, probably we'll see some offence or even HO, I also just wanted to show some support for another UK player in LB

Stareal vs Vert 49.999-50.001
My heart is telling me Stareal but my mind is telling me Vert. For anyone who doesn't know this game has some history behind it as Vert haxed Stareal in smogon tour semi-finals a couple of years ago. So far Stareal has had a better start to Vert, having a dominant first game with an epic predict vs JojoOui but I think Vert has to turn it around at some point and show why many people (one of them being me) think he's the best SV OU player in the world. Either way this is an absolute highlight game with the potential of being one of the best scl games ever.
 
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Suhayb said:
Niko vs Eternal Spirit 49-51
Niko has had a really interesting scl so far, he's coming of a massive victory vs separation where I feel like he had a choreographed gameplan for the stall matchup specifically which is ironic because he was just made the victim of a horrible matchup piloting stall vs crying.
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I think you mean the other way around right cause Niko was the one who brought the hoopa lol
 
Orange Islanders (3) vs (0) Circuit Breakers
SV OU: zS vs Rubyblood
SV OU: kDCA vs SoulWind
SV OU: Ewin vs Let's Rumble Shall We

Technical Machines (3) vs (0) Studio Gible
SV OU: zioziotrip vs Dugtrio Is Broken
SV OU: Potatochan vs Eternal Spirit
SV OU: Separation vs Fusien - go team :)

Uncharted Terrors (1) vs (2) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs Silent Waltz - The OST finals runback
SV OU: Achimoo vs Vert
SV OU: LB vs Axzel - very hype mu

Indigo Platoon (2) vs (1) Mt. Silver Foxes
SV OU: clean vs Pkel SweeTforU - 5-0 vs 4-1 but i believe in cleans ability to go for 40k next scl
SV OU: NoName6293 vs Stareal
SV OU: yerdunc vs vk - hype mu but vks on a killstreak rn

Arena Spartans (0) vs (3) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: Niko vs Garay oak
SV OU: Patatexv vs Leroipolux
SV OU: Attribute vs AgencyIsOwn - this is the week.
 
6-8 last week...

Orange Islanders (2) vs (1) Circuit Breakers
SV OU: zS vs Rubyblood - both look good, decided randomly
SV OU: kDCA vs SoulWind
SV OU: Ewin vs Let's Rumble Shall We

Technical Machines (2) vs (1) Studio Gible
SV OU: zioziotrip vs Dugtrio Is Broken
SV OU: Potatochan vs Eternal Spirit
SV OU: Separation vs Fusien - I'll be there no matter what

Uncharted Terrors (0) vs (3) Showdown Shoguns
SV OU: SirPeanutCronch vs Silent Waltz - the African champs, so hard to pick
SV OU: Achimoo vs Vert
SV OU: LB vs Axzel - banger

Indigo Platoon (1) vs (2) Mt. Silver Foxes
SV OU: clean vs Pkel SweeTforU - boring...
SV OU: NoName6293 vs Stareal
SV OU: yerdunc vs vk

Arena Spartans (2) vs (1) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: Niko vs Garay oak - banger
SV OU: Patatexv vs Leroipolux
SV OU: Attribute vs AgencyIsOwn
 
I missed most of these games live and also I need to get better at practicing analyzing games. Here's a noob's takes on games I was excited for. If you're actually good at SV OU I welcome anyone to come in and tell me I'm misreading smth obvious bc this is how we learn. Also someone please come in here and offer thoughts on how to prepare for Cress on preview

Ewin vs clean

Triple? removal for clean with Cind/Corv/Tusk; maybe Corv is dropping Defog, maybe it's Scarf Tusk? Tera Steel Zama seems most likely to me on preview, with Tusk and Cind to pressure Ghold, but I guess Scarf Ghold kinda rips through you if you're not Tera Dark. Kyurem is special, surely. Specs or SubTect, maybe? Ewin is surely Screens Zama and a bunch of demons. Rocks on Chomp, Trick Scarf on Rai? I'm not yet good enough at predicting Cress sets on preview. SD Scor is probably needed as a wincon vs stall

T1: Kyurem lead is curious to me against Screens Zama, even if it's Scarf. Maybe it was for Chomp/Scor in case Ewin predicts the Glowking counterlead? clean switching suggests that that's what the goal was
T4: Scor SDs again as Corv clicks Bulk Up. Sure. BU Corv does probably suggest that Tusk isn't Scarf, I think?
T6: Cress is BoltBeam, prob with Lunar Blessing. Curious how on earth clean is going to deal with this (update: Ace did a bajillion)
T22: Cress gets sacked. Guess the conclusion here is that without screens up Cress doesn't really do more than 1v1 strong physical attackers
T24: curious about the CM here. I get that the play is "on setup spam offense you want to be clicking the setup moves" but was clean really ever switching there?
T25: clean sacs Zama. Surely you need some sort of way to revenge the Rai. If Tusk is Spin, maybe Kyurem is AV or Scarf?
T27: it's neither AV nor Scarf. Maybe the Specs prediction was correct, but Rai seems like a threat now
T31: okay so it IS Scarf Tusk. Interesting, Cind/Tusk/Corv and only Cind actually has removal. Tusk just wins from here

My initial read: mostly okay. I think knowing the teams now, clean doesn't really have dangerous ways to punish Zama for getting up screens, so I feel like Ewin didn't need to leave Cress in to take hits early game? Crit on Bolt sucks, and obviously the non-Tera is just a read that didn't work out, but I do think Ice Spinner was just the move that made most sense anyway (what switch did clean have that doesn't get set up on? I guess sac Zama was the thought?)

zS vs NoName6293

My guesses: Noname is Deoxys screens, surely. Woger can be anything but I assume it has Knock (only other thing on the team that could have it is Rai) and Play Rough (DD Nite can slaughter this team I assume you don't want to give it free setup). I figure Ceruledge is Life Orb for fat teams. zS, lowkey Glim is a massive issue here, rocks and tspikes are both bad for NoName and you don't have great ways to deny them for the whole game. Hamu looks AV, really have no idea what Val is, not sure which attacking moves the Cress is running.

T1: zS goes Hamu to cover screen lead Deo, NoName lead Woger to cover hazard lead Glim. This is never going to be bad for NoName (Woger will always have something to hit Hamu), but it's extra comfortable if this isn't Scarf on Hamu. Sash means Glim is something else, either Red Card or Power Herb would be extremely annoying for Ceruledge, both look useful here. Trading Hamu for a spike and a 50% Woger is good business
T2: Val burning booster this early isn't ideal, Molt looks extremely scary, but also what even is the switch to Val here
T5: Ceruledge was indeed Lorb. Kinda think CC on T3 was better, sac Woger and let Ceru revenge seemed like the most logical play there.
T6: Red Card Glim. Hazards up
T7: if this is Tera Dark Zama for zS is that too much to handle. You lose something to force Tera then take a bajillion on your own Zama to Roar it out. Go hard Deo to Reflect?
T8: zS' Zama is larping as GSC Raikou, and yeah I think this is just a wrap, Tera Dark Zama will win and you just can't force damage on it. Maybe Tera Ghost Molt can do it, if it has that?
T9: Roaring Moltres is curious, you can stomach Air Slash but surely you should be scared of Hurricane? If Zama's Tera Dark my gut would have been to click it here. Wonder what the knowers think
T18: Calc tells me offensive Ghold always kills from there without crit anyway.

Turns out NoName loaded a team 6-0'd by hazards and especially by hazard lead Glim, and tspikes means Zama just outlasts and Roars your whole team

Stareal vs Vert

More Cress. Vert loads Sun; Stareal's Tran is very useful for Moth, and they've got something for everything except for Wake, which kills everything. Stareal's path to winning I guess involves a) trading Gambit for Wake or b) setting up with Cress first? (although vs Roar Zama idk if that's adequate)

T1: Zama's an interesting lead for Vert that I think best covers Tran? Turns out Stareal agrees with my assessment that you need to pressure aggressively with Cress here. Stareal goes Zama to cover Gambit switch, I guess? But Vert reveals that this is Sun Screens. Yeah uhhh Wake is gonna kill six isn't it
T7: Wake comes in on Tran with screens up and claims a kill
T8: Screens are still up and Steam two-shots. This looks like +SpA Scarf Wake. Wood Hammer hella doesn't kill, Steam is free. U-turn brings in Cress as Sun runs out
T11: Zama's Roar Screens, so this is just kinda over, Cress isn't winning
T18: Wake comes in on Tusk and forces kill on Rilla. For Stareal, Cress is walled by Gambit, Tusk is walled by Cress, Tran lets Wake claim a kill every time, so I guess it's all on Gambit?
T24: Scarf wake outspeeds +speed Tusk, claims a third kill
T25: my calc says crit doesn't matter if Gambit is max speed. If it had bulk I presume you SD there, so surely doesn't matter. Wake claims a fourth and would have claimed the fifth.

Kinda feels to me that Stareal's team doesn't adequately cover HO for the Vert MU. tbh I'm surprised no one ever brings Lokix into them. kDCA's Webs bring seems more like the bring you want
 
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Indigo Platoon (3) vs (0) Uncharted Terrors
SV OU: clean vs Achimoo - achimoo’s been doing well so i wouldnt be too shocked at an upset here
SV OU: yerdunc vs DAHLI
SV OU: NoName6293 vs LB - cool mu

Circuit Breakers (0) vs (3) Studio Gible
SV OU: SoulWind vs Fusien
SV OU: Let's Rumble Shall We vs Dugtrio Is Broken - i saw the future and dib will end this scl undefeated
SV OU: Rubyblood vs Mimikyu Stardust - rubyblood’s teams seem pretty weak to prime pult tbh

Showdown Shoguns (2) vs (1) Arena Spartans
SV OU: Axzel vs Niko
SV OU: Vert vs Patatexv
SV OU: Silent Waltz vs Attribute

Technical Machines (3) vs (0) Power Plant Dynamos
SV OU: Separation vs Garay oak
SV OU: Potatochan vs AgencyIsOwn
SV OU: zioziotrip vs Leroipolux - go team

Mt. Silver Foxes (2) vs (1) Orange Islanders
SV OU: vk vs Ewin - cool mu
SV OU: Stareal vs zS - could see this going either way tbh
SV OU: Pkel SweeTforU vs kDCA
 
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