The term "hax" , you know brightpowder , etc. well look here please....

Do you use and /or ok wth hax item? (plz post your opinion of it for this thread too)

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BeachBoy

Ok , im thumped , i don't fricking get it.​

Ok i see a ton of places , no hax items, no quick claw, yada-yada

well why? hell, people the GAME of pokemon is luck, so why not have them involved, seriously i think bums got the idea to clear deprive luck involvment.


WHY! and wtf, everyone's like, oh brightpowder, hax hax hax!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET ON WITH IT, ITS LUCK , ITS THE GAME!

why in the hell is "hax items" banned? and for that matter, hax hax hax

" i lost because you hax, NOOB! " OMFG, you lose to luck then you got bad luck, averages and luck involvment are built into this great game, why rip it away?

it hurts, well me, i use a brightpowder team, you may have seen it on the RMT sub-forum

I tend to move on from this subject and ignore it mainly, as i disagree with "hax" belief


i just want some good explanations from the commoners of smogon, why are hax items banned, why does everyone always say HAXY NOOB, when i win without any hax items on my other teams, and why in the heck, are people ripping the game from it's format, LUCK. thanks for reading :toast:

EDIT: Ok, ummmm wow, i'd like to thank everyone for posting but please im just wondering about hax, dont get so hater on me. gosh ive gotten 5 emails from anoymiss people saying F me, which is weird because i thought i never released my email. everyone thanks for posting. I will no longer use my brgihtpowder team, as i've found a much better team i really like without hax. I have enjoyed reading all these replys, thanks. But PLEASE do not hate me. I was just asking , not trying to get some people to rage me X_X

once again, thank you for replying =]
 
Join Date: Dec 2007

I guess search function is down, but this topic is brought up every month and it turns out the same way. Set your own rules when posting for battles and let people know that they can use the same items. If they don't like your rules they won't challenge you and that lessens all the fuss. If you use a simulator like Shoddy Battle they allow the items so they really have no reason to complain.

Anyway, when you post a comma you don't need the space before and after one. That's just a helpful tip to make your future posts better.
 
I don't care about hax. Personally, i have too much hax for my own good, a lot of my opponents complain to me. Anyways, hax items are ok for me.
 
Well, although there isn't an defined rule for it, I tend to avoid any hax items. Most serious players would rather rely on their wit and prediction skills than a chance of luck.

It's a different style of playing, and although it's not necessarily looked down upon (or shouldn't be), I would rather battle other people who don't use "hax items".

`Proto
 
Proto said:
Well, although there isn't an defined rule for it, I tend to avoid any hax items. Most serious players would rather rely on their wit and prediction skills than a chance of luck.

It's a different style of playing, and although it's not necessarily looked down upon (or shouldn't be), I would rather battle other people who don't use "hax items".

`Proto
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hmmm good point , just dont have it , so true skill can rain , yea i guess thats a perfectly good reason. now i understand this better.....

Radke said:
Join Date: Dec 2007

I guess search function is down, but this topic is brought up every month and it turns out the same way. Set your own rules when posting for battles and let people know that they can use the same items. If they don't like your rules they won't challenge you and that lessens all the fuss. If you use a simulator like Shoddy Battle they allow the items so they really have no reason to complain.

Anyway, when you post a comma you don't need the space before and after one. That's just a helpful tip to make your future posts better.
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ohhhh, sorry, never knew it was posted so much. well thanks for hellping out. yeah thats kinda a habbit i have, comma are just like that to me, well ill go delete the first space, i don't know why i do it, just a regular thing.

EDIT - just edited my post on commas because i did the double space again X_x
 
Although, I do say people have no reason to complain but people always will complain. I know I get mad when it happens, but it is allowed and you just have to accept luck wasn't with you. You KNOW when you were the better opponent and deserved to win. You also know when you got outplayed but stupid luck beat you. The scoreboard may say something different at the end of the battle, but you can still guage if your team was successful or not.

I guess the topic isn't brought up EVERY month, but its been mentioned several other times
 
I believe that people should try and avoid hax as much as possible. It's extremely annoying when you use a 100% accurate move and it misses because of brightpowder. Sure, it's funny for the brightpowder user, but what if it was the other way around? It's absolutely irritating when you use a move that SHOULD hit and it SHOULD ohko their pokemon, but it misses. I have lost too many games over this to count, and I think it sucks.

Don't get me started about the Quick Claw. I last three pokes too many when an Octillery went first four times in a row and OHKOd my pokemon with super-effective moves.

The Focus band is just plain wrong. When it works several times in a row, allowing a pokemon to set up or heal when they should have died; that just sucks.



I know there will always be a slim chance of hax, like 10%, or maybe as high as 30%, but when people start using ITEMS that break games for skilled players, thats when you cross the line.

If you don't agree with me, check some warstories. That one with the gyardos missing 'Zone with EQ was just plain wrong. And I'm sure we've all gotten annoyed by the Battle Tower as well. People who really want to play this game seriously should be dignified and avoid haxy items if possible.
 
Critical hits are ok with me. 10% freeze chances are fine. That's because they come naturally. Sand Veil abuse is fine to an extent.

But Brightpowder, Quick Claw? No way. There would be no difference between a battle where all Pokemon have, say, Leftovers and a battle where all Pokemon have Brightpowder. You'd have a much cleaner battle without Brightpowder though.

If Brightpowder were allowed and people abuse it, Pokemon would be purely based on luck, not a mix of luck and skill.
 
Hax items are stupid period. As haxy as the game is, why add more luck into it? For example, subchomp is retarded as it needs brightpowder to work. You send in you're weavile, only to miss with ice punch and get OHKOed by Earthquake... don't even get me started with quick claw.. that thing can turn sluggish pokemon like rhyperior into sweepers if hax is on their side.
 
skiddle said:
I believe that people should try and avoid hax as much as possible. It's extremely annoying when you use a 100% accurate move and it misses because of brightpowder. Sure, it's funny for the brightpowder user, but what if it was the other way around? It's absolutely irritating when you use a move that SHOULD hit and it SHOULD ohko their pokemon, but it misses. I have lost too many games over this to count, and I think it sucks.

Don't get me started about the Quick Claw. I last three pokes too many when an Octillery went first four times in a row and OHKOd my pokemon with super-effective moves.

The Focus band is just plain wrong. When it works several times in a row, allowing a pokemon to set up or heal when they should have died; that just sucks.



I know there will always be a slim chance of hax, like 10%, or maybe as high as 30%, but when people start using ITEMS that break games for skilled players, thats when you cross the line.

If you don't agree with me, check some warstories. That one with the gyardos missing 'Zone with EQ was just plain wrong. And I'm sure we've all gotten annoyed by the Battle Tower as well. People who really want to play this game seriously should be dignified and avoid haxy items if possible.
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lolz ive come back from 1-4 five times , and will learn i wasn't the better battler, but i still believe luck should be embraced not ripped from the game, and there's always knock off, lols maybe not.

Seriously?.....the game is built on luck, the moment the battle starts , luck on prediction, luck on the right team vs. sitchu, critical hits, etc.

Slice n Dice said:
Hax items are stupid period. As haxy as the game is, why add more luck into it? For example, subchomp is retarded as it needs brightpowder to work. You send in you're weavile, only to miss with ice punch and get OHKOed by Earthquake... don't even get me started with quick claw.. that thing can turn sluggish pokemon like rhyperior into sweepers if hax is on their side.
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i guess i should stop my brightpowder team, man...... ok well it looks like everyone hates it , maybe i can't get through , thanks for posting everyone , i understand the points now. wow , called stupid by someone i admire greatly , ouch *dreams fly out the window*
 
Luck is a part of Pokemon, and we've all came to accept that by now. It's one of those ugly things and we just have come to terms with it. We play Pokemon competitively in order to see who is the better player, but luck can often prevent that.

There's nothing we can do about that, but there is no reason to increase that luck factor. Things like BrightPowder, Quick Claw and Focus Band are banned from tournaments because they increase the luck factor and thus make it harder to see who is the better player.
 
If you are sending in Weavile on a Substitute Garchomp you deserve to lose.

IMO the loss of Leftovers or another more useful item is worth it. It's a gamble. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
 
Lee said:
Luck is a part of Pokemon, and we've all came to accept that by now. It's one of those ugly things and we just have come to terms with it. We play Pokemon competitively in order to see who is the better player, but luck can often prevent that.

There's nothing we can do about that, but there is no reason to increase that luck factor. Things like BrightPowder, Quick Claw and Focus Band are banned from tournaments because they increase the luck factor and thus make it harder to see who is the better player.
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Great point *trashes brightpowder team*

Well , thanks everyone , i completely get it now , its the main point : skill

thanks everyone , happy new year
 
I believe that adding more luck into a competitive game is just dumb. If pokemon is a competitive game, and we allow people to use items that require luck to work, we aren't encouraging fair play.

It'd be like Football, except you tackle a guy, and magically pass through him. Brightpowder'd?! Or, suddenly he pulls out a Quick Claw and speeds to the goal, LOL

@ Beachboy: I think it's OK if you are playing pokemon for fun, but Smogon people are competitive players... and having a 0.001% of losing, and then having it happen is very infuriating. People just like to win, even more so if they deserved it : )
 
I don't understand why Bright powder does not break evasion clause. The Description makes it sound like Sand-Attack IIRC but it's clearly more like Double Team or Minimize.
 
I don't really have a problem with them unless people start abusing the heck out of them. Like putting Double Team on Garchomp holding Brightpowder in a sandstorm. It's frustrating and isn't fun at all but if it's allowed, what you gonna do?
 
i agree with automatic...it doesnt make any sense that double team is banned but not brightpowder. they both serve the same purpose of increasing the role luck plays.
 
Evasion Clause only covers boostable forms of evasion, Double Team etc. The maximum amount of evasion one can have with Brightpowder + Sand Veil/Snow Cloak is fairly low so it's more irritating than gamebreaking. If someone wants to play the odds than I say let them.
 
Hey, if you're that opposed to luck, you might as well hack all your pogeys so they all have No Guard. Nothing wrong with a limited amount of hax items.
 
*Sigh*

The reason is to reduce the amount of luck in a game that is way to luck heavy.
 
I'm in support of brightpowder, the evasion chance of sandveil + brightpowder is low enough that odds are still in favor of the person attacking assuming they use high accuracy attacks. I admit I find quickclaw annoying, but not enough to want it to be banned.
 
whenever I make a team, I go for consistantly winning rather than relying on luck to win. Therefore, items that rely on luck to work aren't usually the ones that I like to use.

Attacks that have a little luck involved (rock slide's 90% accuracy vs 30% flinch) aren't as much of a problem because they still generally are doing consistent damage, but items that have a 12% chance of an okay effect are no good
 
Brightpowder is comparable to using the move Thunder instead of Thunderbolt - you take your chances and sacrifice reliability. If somebody manages to win using Brightpowder, kudos to them - they took their chances with the less reliable item and it payed off.
 
There is a significant difference between luck, and increasing luck. For example, let's say the usual chance of getting a Critical Hit is 6.25% - it will ALWAYS be 6.25% no matter how many times you hit, but it is the matter of when you get a Critical Hit. Then when you add Scope Lens, and let's say it increases the percentage to 12.5%, now there's a difference. Using Scope Lens, your chances of a Critical Hit is DOUBLE of what a Pokemon that doesn't use Scope Lens has, which means it will have a higher chance of hitting.

BrightPowder is the same as above, where the chance of missing, let's say is 20%, is then increased to 25%, which is 5% more than the usual.

Quick Claw is a whole different story. If Pokemon A (without Quick Claw) outspeeds Pokemon B (with Quick Claw), by let's say, 100 points/stats. Here, Pokemon A will always outspeed Pokemon B if both Pokemon do not have Speed Modifiers (such as Paralysis Speed Drop, and Choice Scarf). However, Quick Claw makes the Pokemon that has it go first, no matter what, which means, it is bypassing the standard Outspeeding rule. Even if Pokemon A has 1000 more Speed than Pokemon B, Pokemon B can outspeed Pokemon A if Quick Claw activates.

Those are examples, while there are many more hax items which definitely has their own explanations.
 
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