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The Wish Maker
- Thread starter Bribery
- Start date
Threat List
Legend
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Rotom-H or Tyranitar.
Cresselia
Jirachi sets up on it and Rotom-H/Latias can Trick it. Tyranitar is safe against most of them as well.
Dragonite
Latias can revenge kill non DD sets. CB sets depend on what it gets locked into. Metagross takes out ones locked into Outrage with Ice Punch. Tyranitar beats most lead Dragonite.
Dusknoir
Skarmory usually gets a free layer of Spikes. Tyranitar also works if it lacks a Fighting attack. Rotom-H can finish off a weakened one with Shadow Ball.
Electivire
Usually not a problem without a Motor Drive boost. I'm usually careful with Rotom-H's Thunderbolt so it rarely becomes a threat to this team.
Empoleon
Rotom-H stops them if they are not behind a Substitute. Jirachi can set up on them most of the time. Tyranitar is usually safe if they don't have their Petya Berry boost. Latias stops ones without Ice Beam.
Forretress
Rotom-H OHKO's.
Flygon
Choiced ones are easily played around. Latias deals with the non-Scarf variants.
Gliscor
Latias usually. Tyranitar's Avalanche usually catches them off guard too.
Gengar
Rotom-H can beat non-Scarf versions. Tyranitar can take them down if they miss with Focus Blast, but it's risky. Latias risks a speed tie.
Gyarados
Rotom-H revenge kills, Jirachi can survive +1 Earthquake and OHKO back with Thunderbolt.
Heatran
Tyranitar or Latias.
Hippowdon
Latias' Grass Knot deals with them. Rotom-H also works.
Infernape
Latias is usually the perfect counter to most sets. Rotom-H outspeeds non-Scarf versions.
Jirachi
Rotom-H handles most physical variants while Tyranitar deals with CM sets. Rotom-H can also Trick CM sets.
Jolteon
It depends on the set. Tyranitar can handle it if it's at good health. Jirachi can usually set up on it.
Kingdra
It's not as deadly as some of the other threats I've highlighted, but this thing is annoying, especially on a Rain Dance team. If it manages to get enough DDs, it can easily sweep my entire team. Tyranitar usually counters them thanks to Sandstream. Latias can force it into Outrage, giving Jirachi or Skarmory the opportunity to set up.
Latias
Tyranitar can deal with most Latias. I can also Trick with Rotom-H. Specs/Scarf sets are easily handled, and usually end up being setup bait.
Lucario
It doesn't have many opportunities to setup. Rotom-H's Overheat OHKOs them, and Thunderbolt OHKOs after a Close Combat defense drop. Breloom can also work.
Machamp
Annoying. Rotom-H can take down a weakened Machamp. Otherwise, Jirachi is the only answer with Psychic.
Magnezone
Tyranitar is usually safe against them. Latias also works. Magnezone is actually setup bait for Jirachi.
Mamoswine
It scores super-effective hits on every member on this team except Rotom-H. Skarmory is the safest switch-ins. Otherwise I have to play around it depending on whether its Choice Banded or not.
Metagross
Rotom-H is the main counter. Skarmory is usually safe against ones without ThunderPunch.
Roserade
Most of them are leads so Tyranitar beats them. Latias is good against ones that aren't leads. Only Tyranitar is affected by Toxic Spikes and it doesn't really mind them either (it's better than being burned).
Rotom-A
Jirachi can setup on most of them. Tyranitar is usually a good switch-in, except against Rotom-W.
Salamence
Scizor
Latias is a great lure for it. Skarmory is decent switch-ins as well.
Skarmory
Jirachi can deal some hefty damage with Thunderbolt. Rotom-H and Latias scare it off.
Snorlax
Rotom-H deals with most of them. Latias can Trick it too.
Starmie
Most of them aren't Scarfed so Rotom-H can usually take them out with Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball. Lead Starmies are taken down by Tyranitar.
Suicune
Jirachi can beat most of them with Thunderbolt if it doesn't have Roar. CroCune and Calm Mind Shuffle variants are dealt with Rotom-H's and Latias' Trick. Breloom can work against certain builds
Swampert
Latias deals with it easily.
Tentacruel
Rotom-H and Jirachi. Toxic Spikes doesn't bother anyone on this team.
Tyranitar
Skarmory is usually my initial switch-in, which usually gives me a free layer of Spikes. Latias' Surf hits them hard as well.
Zapdos
Tyranitar and Latias can cover most sets. Jirachi can also set up on the standard physical wall set.
Vaporeon
Jirachi sets up on it. Rotom-H hits it hard with STAB Thunderbolt.
The Threat List
Legend
- Red - Deadly
- Orange - Moderate
- Lead: Tyranitar.
- Dual Screen: Tyranitar's Payback 2HKOs regardless of Reflect. Unforunately they set up their screens.
- Offensive Variants: Rotom-H.
- Wish: Jirachi and Breloom beat it. Rotom-H and Latias Trick it.
- Cleric: Same as above, but must be weary of Thunder Wave. Thus, Breloom is usually the initial switch-in once Toxic Orb activates.
- Spore Puncher: Needs to be played around. Jirachi takes it out with Psychic, and Rotom-H can work too. Very annoying in general.
- SubSeed: Same as above, but more of a nuisance.
- Other Variants: Rotom-H or Jirachi. Other variants are not as annoying as the first two.
- Standard: Setup bait for Jirachi.
- Trick Zong: Annoying if I mispredict and it Tricks Choice Band instead of the expected Macho Brace. Otherwise it isn't too troublesome.
- Screener: Due to its bulk, I can't really stop it from setting up its screens.
- Other Variants: Usually setup bait for Jirachi.
Rotom-H or Tyranitar.
Jirachi sets up on it and Rotom-H/Latias can Trick it. Tyranitar is safe against most of them as well.
Latias can revenge kill non DD sets. CB sets depend on what it gets locked into. Metagross takes out ones locked into Outrage with Ice Punch. Tyranitar beats most lead Dragonite.
Skarmory usually gets a free layer of Spikes. Tyranitar also works if it lacks a Fighting attack. Rotom-H can finish off a weakened one with Shadow Ball.
Usually not a problem without a Motor Drive boost. I'm usually careful with Rotom-H's Thunderbolt so it rarely becomes a threat to this team.
Rotom-H stops them if they are not behind a Substitute. Jirachi can set up on them most of the time. Tyranitar is usually safe if they don't have their Petya Berry boost. Latias stops ones without Ice Beam.
Rotom-H OHKO's.
Choiced ones are easily played around. Latias deals with the non-Scarf variants.
Latias usually. Tyranitar's Avalanche usually catches them off guard too.
Rotom-H can beat non-Scarf versions. Tyranitar can take them down if they miss with Focus Blast, but it's risky. Latias risks a speed tie.
Rotom-H revenge kills, Jirachi can survive +1 Earthquake and OHKO back with Thunderbolt.
Tyranitar or Latias.
Latias' Grass Knot deals with them. Rotom-H also works.
Latias is usually the perfect counter to most sets. Rotom-H outspeeds non-Scarf versions.
Rotom-H handles most physical variants while Tyranitar deals with CM sets. Rotom-H can also Trick CM sets.
It depends on the set. Tyranitar can handle it if it's at good health. Jirachi can usually set up on it.
It's not as deadly as some of the other threats I've highlighted, but this thing is annoying, especially on a Rain Dance team. If it manages to get enough DDs, it can easily sweep my entire team. Tyranitar usually counters them thanks to Sandstream. Latias can force it into Outrage, giving Jirachi or Skarmory the opportunity to set up.
Tyranitar can deal with most Latias. I can also Trick with Rotom-H. Specs/Scarf sets are easily handled, and usually end up being setup bait.
It doesn't have many opportunities to setup. Rotom-H's Overheat OHKOs them, and Thunderbolt OHKOs after a Close Combat defense drop. Breloom can also work.
Annoying. Rotom-H can take down a weakened Machamp. Otherwise, Jirachi is the only answer with Psychic.
Tyranitar is usually safe against them. Latias also works. Magnezone is actually setup bait for Jirachi.
It scores super-effective hits on every member on this team except Rotom-H. Skarmory is the safest switch-ins. Otherwise I have to play around it depending on whether its Choice Banded or not.
Rotom-H is the main counter. Skarmory is usually safe against ones without ThunderPunch.
Most of them are leads so Tyranitar beats them. Latias is good against ones that aren't leads. Only Tyranitar is affected by Toxic Spikes and it doesn't really mind them either (it's better than being burned).
Jirachi can setup on most of them. Tyranitar is usually a good switch-in, except against Rotom-W.
- DD Mence: Biggest threat to this team if it sets up. I have no way of revenge killing it, so I usually have to force it into Outrage and Whirlwind it away with Skarmory.
- MixMence: Switch to a Steel type or Tyranitar on Draco Meteor and then bring in Latias. Rotom-H outspeeds it too.
- SpecsMence: Same as MixMence but easier to play around.
Latias is a great lure for it. Skarmory is decent switch-ins as well.
Jirachi can deal some hefty damage with Thunderbolt. Rotom-H and Latias scare it off.
Rotom-H deals with most of them. Latias can Trick it too.
Most of them aren't Scarfed so Rotom-H can usually take them out with Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball. Lead Starmies are taken down by Tyranitar.
Jirachi can beat most of them with Thunderbolt if it doesn't have Roar. CroCune and Calm Mind Shuffle variants are dealt with Rotom-H's and Latias' Trick. Breloom can work against certain builds
Latias deals with it easily.
Rotom-H and Jirachi. Toxic Spikes doesn't bother anyone on this team.
Skarmory is usually my initial switch-in, which usually gives me a free layer of Spikes. Latias' Surf hits them hard as well.
Tyranitar and Latias can cover most sets. Jirachi can also set up on the standard physical wall set.
Jirachi sets up on it. Rotom-H hits it hard with STAB Thunderbolt.
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i was glancing over your team, and it looks like you have a bit of a scarftar weakness like you mentioned in the threat list. because of this, i am going to suggest an alternative latias set. i suggest specs latias for a couple reasons. the first of which is ttar and scizor like to show up as soon as latias is put in play. if the opponent has a scizor or scarftar, its coming in. because of this, early game surfing really checks the two of them. i believe ttar is 2hkoed and the same goes for scizor. with this set, scizor also becomes set up bait for jirachi and metagross. after all, who would pursuit after taking 50+% damage and risk the 2hko? the second reason is that you add another tricker. i personally love trickers because they really mess up stall, and anything that would be used against you as you trick would likely not be super effective against metagross or jirachi. so you get more chances to set up.
Latias@Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse/ Thunderbolt
- Surf (which should be used in the early game until you have a good idea of the opposing team to make an informed descision).
- Draco Meteor
- Trick
Latias@Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse/ Thunderbolt
- Surf (which should be used in the early game until you have a good idea of the opposing team to make an informed descision).
- Draco Meteor
- Trick
I've been testing this suggestion and I love it so far. Specs Latias hits things so freaking hard and the extra Trick user has really helped set up Metagross and Jirachi. I will most likely change my Latias to this one.
I've also been reconsidering Skarmory over Gyarados since Spikes does help secure a lot of KOs on this team. However, Gyarados has been a very reliable check to certain Pokemon. I found that I had a harder time dealing with combinations like Lucario/Gyarados and Scarf Tyranitar since Rotom-H would be my only reliable check to Lucario/Gyarados. Any thoughts on this?
Hello.
Quick things first:
I recommend something over Avalanche on Tyranitar. As far as I can tell its only use is Salamence and Dragonite because Latias is hit harder by Payback. However, Gyarados can simply switch in and Roar Dragonite leads given some Special Defense, freeing Tyranitar a free slot. I recommend replacing Avalanche with Taunt to prevent slower leads from getting up Stealth Rock, something Gyarados will appreciate greatly. Speaking of Gyarados, I recommend adding SpD EVs for aforementioned reasons. Personally I go all out with 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def and Careful and it works like a charm. I'd also try Zen Headbutt on Metagross to soften Swampert up for a Jirachi sweep. Yes, you have Latias, but Swampert will switch out of Latias, and you need Swampert weakened, not running.
I believe this team is quite weak to Dragon Dance Tyranitar. Currently, your best bet is to Trick it with Rotom-a and play around with prediction and things. There are a couple of fixes I think you should try. Fix one:
Change your Tyranitar
Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Careful (+SpD, -Atk)
252 HP / 136 Def / 80 SpD / 40 Spe
-Stealth Rock
-Payback
-Low Kick
-Taunt
The Defense EVs ensure that Tyranitar will never by OHKOed by +1 Tyranitar Earthquake (Jolly, Leftovers / Babiri). So as long as you can manage to keep Tyranitar over 62.5% and if you pass a Wish from Jirachi to Tyranitar unscathed, you'll be secure against most DDtar. And that situation isn't very farfetched, because people will probably use your Jirachi as DD bait for Tyranitar, allowing you a free turn to pass Wish.
Alternative solution:
Replace Tyranitar with Swampert
Swampert @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Stealth Rock
-Roar
A lot more secure against DDTyranitar, but probably a poorer lead overall. Anyway this sets up Stealth Rock, Ice Beams Dragons, pHazes things and 2HKOes Tyranitar with Earthquake. However, it performs worse against Roserade and Azelf, allows Stealth Rock up easily, etc.
Quick things first:
I recommend something over Avalanche on Tyranitar. As far as I can tell its only use is Salamence and Dragonite because Latias is hit harder by Payback. However, Gyarados can simply switch in and Roar Dragonite leads given some Special Defense, freeing Tyranitar a free slot. I recommend replacing Avalanche with Taunt to prevent slower leads from getting up Stealth Rock, something Gyarados will appreciate greatly. Speaking of Gyarados, I recommend adding SpD EVs for aforementioned reasons. Personally I go all out with 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def and Careful and it works like a charm. I'd also try Zen Headbutt on Metagross to soften Swampert up for a Jirachi sweep. Yes, you have Latias, but Swampert will switch out of Latias, and you need Swampert weakened, not running.
I believe this team is quite weak to Dragon Dance Tyranitar. Currently, your best bet is to Trick it with Rotom-a and play around with prediction and things. There are a couple of fixes I think you should try. Fix one:
Change your Tyranitar
Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Careful (+SpD, -Atk)
252 HP / 136 Def / 80 SpD / 40 Spe
-Stealth Rock
-Payback
-Low Kick
-Taunt
The Defense EVs ensure that Tyranitar will never by OHKOed by +1 Tyranitar Earthquake (Jolly, Leftovers / Babiri). So as long as you can manage to keep Tyranitar over 62.5% and if you pass a Wish from Jirachi to Tyranitar unscathed, you'll be secure against most DDtar. And that situation isn't very farfetched, because people will probably use your Jirachi as DD bait for Tyranitar, allowing you a free turn to pass Wish.
Alternative solution:
Replace Tyranitar with Swampert
Swampert @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Stealth Rock
-Roar
A lot more secure against DDTyranitar, but probably a poorer lead overall. Anyway this sets up Stealth Rock, Ice Beams Dragons, pHazes things and 2HKOes Tyranitar with Earthquake. However, it performs worse against Roserade and Azelf, allows Stealth Rock up easily, etc.
I have a small suggestion on Latias, I used to use Life Orb as well but I've noticed that Expert Belt works just as good.
Latias @ Expert Belt
Nature: Timid
4 HP / 252SpAtk / 252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Grass Knot
-Surf
Bluffing the specs/scarf has won me quite a few wins (:
Latias @ Expert Belt
Nature: Timid
4 HP / 252SpAtk / 252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Grass Knot
-Surf
Bluffing the specs/scarf has won me quite a few wins (:
Hello!
Cool team, I like the usage of great but not-so common sets. However I'm spotting some problems here and there. The main thing is how you go about setting up your sweepers. I'm currently a little skeptical about how you deal with Life Orb Heatran as well as other Pokemon like Choice Band Metagross, as they can really damage your team once Gyarados goes down. These Pokemon also really do limit Jirachi's sweep, and your team doesn't do a lot to try and eliminate Steel type Pokemon in order for your sweepers to cut loose. Latias is a good step in the right direction with Hidden Power Fire, but really Hidden Power Fire is (at least from my observations) becoming steadily more common on Life Orb Latias. Overheat from Rotom-H is also nice, but really Choice Scarf Rotom-H is the easiest Pursuit bait in the game, and with a metagame so centralized around Dragons and Steels, it may not be able to have as much of an impact as possible. I'm thinking that instead of Metagross on this team, you may want to try a Steel Killer Magnezone set. I realize fully that Metagross is one of your important sweepers, but if you're going to run a set like Calm Mind + Wish Jirachi you're going to need all of the team support that you can possibly muster, and at the moment I'm not really seeing it for this team. Metagross doesn't do a lot that Jirachi otherwise couldnt (aside from beating Blissey and Latias), and while yeah it does help as a lategame cleaner, arguably Latias does this better thanks to her defensive synergy with Jirachi and ability to immediately hit hard and fast. Anyway, Magnezone...use this set:
Magnezone @ Leftovers | Magnet Pull
Modest nature (+Special Attack, -Attack)
EVs: 172 HP | 252 SpA | 84 Spe
~ Thunderbolt
~ Magnet Rise
~ Substitute
~ Hidden Power Ice
Magnezone really is a great Pokemon as far as supporting Jirachi goes, seeing as it can easily trap the horribly common Steel-types currently dominating the OU scene and then set up a Substitute and remove them from the match. Really if clearing a path for Jirachi is important than Magnezone is very worthwhile over Metagross. Hidden Power Ice is nice (haha rhyme) as it allows you to hit Salamence and shit like that; they will often try and set up on you (most Maggy are packing Hidden Power Fire now) and so Hidden Power Ice will mess them up good. Another pretty cool thing about Magnezone on this team is that with it on your team, this team has at least two resistances / immunities to every attacking type in the game. Pretty nice, eh? :P
As Crunchatize Me said, I would definitely consider going with Swampert as this teams lead. Swampert also kinda offers another unique solution to dealing with Steel type Pokes, and it does patch up your DDTar / Scarf Tar weakness nicely. The only issue I see with Swampert is that it can sorta reduce your team synergy; really this isn't a huge issue as Swampert is VERY benificial to your team; Dragon Dance Tyranitar completely runs through it currently.
So as far as other options go, I'm thinking about Stone Edge over Avalanche on your Tyranitar lead (should you chose to stick with Tyranitar > Swampert, though I think this is poor idea). Avalanche has little merit aside from hitting Gliscor, but Tyranitar has little business staying in on Gliscor anyway. I suppose it also hits Ninjask, but Gyarados can break Baton Pass chains pretty handily, while Jirachi sets up on Specially-based Baton Pass teams. Other leads are hit just as hard if not harder than with an STAB Stone Edge, and Tyranitar is primarily used as an anti-lead of sorts, so I think it would probably be better.
Anyway, hope I helped, great team, good luck! ;)
Cool team, I like the usage of great but not-so common sets. However I'm spotting some problems here and there. The main thing is how you go about setting up your sweepers. I'm currently a little skeptical about how you deal with Life Orb Heatran as well as other Pokemon like Choice Band Metagross, as they can really damage your team once Gyarados goes down. These Pokemon also really do limit Jirachi's sweep, and your team doesn't do a lot to try and eliminate Steel type Pokemon in order for your sweepers to cut loose. Latias is a good step in the right direction with Hidden Power Fire, but really Hidden Power Fire is (at least from my observations) becoming steadily more common on Life Orb Latias. Overheat from Rotom-H is also nice, but really Choice Scarf Rotom-H is the easiest Pursuit bait in the game, and with a metagame so centralized around Dragons and Steels, it may not be able to have as much of an impact as possible. I'm thinking that instead of Metagross on this team, you may want to try a Steel Killer Magnezone set. I realize fully that Metagross is one of your important sweepers, but if you're going to run a set like Calm Mind + Wish Jirachi you're going to need all of the team support that you can possibly muster, and at the moment I'm not really seeing it for this team. Metagross doesn't do a lot that Jirachi otherwise couldnt (aside from beating Blissey and Latias), and while yeah it does help as a lategame cleaner, arguably Latias does this better thanks to her defensive synergy with Jirachi and ability to immediately hit hard and fast. Anyway, Magnezone...use this set:
Magnezone @ Leftovers | Magnet Pull
Modest nature (+Special Attack, -Attack)
EVs: 172 HP | 252 SpA | 84 Spe
~ Thunderbolt
~ Magnet Rise
~ Substitute
~ Hidden Power Ice
Magnezone really is a great Pokemon as far as supporting Jirachi goes, seeing as it can easily trap the horribly common Steel-types currently dominating the OU scene and then set up a Substitute and remove them from the match. Really if clearing a path for Jirachi is important than Magnezone is very worthwhile over Metagross. Hidden Power Ice is nice (haha rhyme) as it allows you to hit Salamence and shit like that; they will often try and set up on you (most Maggy are packing Hidden Power Fire now) and so Hidden Power Ice will mess them up good. Another pretty cool thing about Magnezone on this team is that with it on your team, this team has at least two resistances / immunities to every attacking type in the game. Pretty nice, eh? :P
As Crunchatize Me said, I would definitely consider going with Swampert as this teams lead. Swampert also kinda offers another unique solution to dealing with Steel type Pokes, and it does patch up your DDTar / Scarf Tar weakness nicely. The only issue I see with Swampert is that it can sorta reduce your team synergy; really this isn't a huge issue as Swampert is VERY benificial to your team; Dragon Dance Tyranitar completely runs through it currently.
So as far as other options go, I'm thinking about Stone Edge over Avalanche on your Tyranitar lead (should you chose to stick with Tyranitar > Swampert, though I think this is poor idea). Avalanche has little merit aside from hitting Gliscor, but Tyranitar has little business staying in on Gliscor anyway. I suppose it also hits Ninjask, but Gyarados can break Baton Pass chains pretty handily, while Jirachi sets up on Specially-based Baton Pass teams. Other leads are hit just as hard if not harder than with an STAB Stone Edge, and Tyranitar is primarily used as an anti-lead of sorts, so I think it would probably be better.
Anyway, hope I helped, great team, good luck! ;)
Well after a few more tests, I decided to change Latias' moveset from 3 Atk/LO to Choice Specs. Its sheer power and Trick really helped this team. Thanks for the suggestion undisput3d, and everyone else:
I don't see the point of Taunt on Tyranitar since it is slower than most OU leads. I realize Avalanche is unorthodox, but it has really helped deal with certain leads. I wanted to use Ice Beam but that would force me to use a -speed nature, thus losing to opposing Tyranitar. Ice Punch is redundant since it has no use outside of 4x weaknesses, and Stone Edge's shaky accuracy is a real put-off for me.
I don't really want to change Gyarados' spread to a SDef oriented one because I need it to cover physical threats like Salamence and opposing Gyarados. Gyarados' current spread means it is never OHKO'd by Salamence's Outrage or Gyarados' Stone Edge after Intimidate, but it will be with the SDef spread.
Ice Punch on Metagross has really helped with Gliscor, Flygon, and Salamence switch-ins. Zen Headbutt doesn't really cover Metagross' common switch-ins. Swampert doesn't bother Jirachi at all. It 3HKOs it, meaning Jirachi can alternate between Wish and CM/attacking if Swampert doesn't Roar it out. Psychic does a considerable amount of damage to it anyways.
DDTar can be a problem if Rotom-H goes down or tricks away its Scarf too early. In the past I have been able to play around it with Trick and Gyarados/Tyranitar's Low Kick which is why I haven't really considered it as a major threat. Scarf Tyranitar, however, is annoying because it outspeeds everything on my team except Rotom-H (which isn't going to do much to it anyways). Specs Latias has somewhat helped this weakness since most people do seem to send Tyranitar in as soon as they see Latias, allowing Surf to take a chunk off of its hp.
I really don't want to replace my Tyranitar for Swampert because it doesn't do much for this team. Tyranitar is a very valuable team member for the reasons I listed in its description. Swampert is a less reliable lead (in my opinion) and really doesn't cover any new threats that I don't already have covered, besides Scarf Tyranitar.
I will have to test this set a bit more. So far I am preferring Specs since it has Trick and much more raw power. However, this set does catch people off guard which is always nice.
The problem I have with Magnezone is that it doesn't do much for Jirachi. Yes, CB Metagross can be annoying but Gyarados is usually a safe switch-in to it, bar Explosion. Heatran is the biggest Steel type threat to Jirachi and Magnezone isn't going to help patch that.
I switched Latias' set to Choice Specs so it now has Surf, meaning it can actually damage Heatran now.
I don't see the point of Taunt on Tyranitar since it is slower than most OU leads. I realize Avalanche is unorthodox, but it has really helped deal with certain leads. I wanted to use Ice Beam but that would force me to use a -speed nature, thus losing to opposing Tyranitar. Ice Punch is redundant since it has no use outside of 4x weaknesses, and Stone Edge's shaky accuracy is a real put-off for me.
I don't really want to change Gyarados' spread to a SDef oriented one because I need it to cover physical threats like Salamence and opposing Gyarados. Gyarados' current spread means it is never OHKO'd by Salamence's Outrage or Gyarados' Stone Edge after Intimidate, but it will be with the SDef spread.
Ice Punch on Metagross has really helped with Gliscor, Flygon, and Salamence switch-ins. Zen Headbutt doesn't really cover Metagross' common switch-ins. Swampert doesn't bother Jirachi at all. It 3HKOs it, meaning Jirachi can alternate between Wish and CM/attacking if Swampert doesn't Roar it out. Psychic does a considerable amount of damage to it anyways.
DDTar can be a problem if Rotom-H goes down or tricks away its Scarf too early. In the past I have been able to play around it with Trick and Gyarados/Tyranitar's Low Kick which is why I haven't really considered it as a major threat. Scarf Tyranitar, however, is annoying because it outspeeds everything on my team except Rotom-H (which isn't going to do much to it anyways). Specs Latias has somewhat helped this weakness since most people do seem to send Tyranitar in as soon as they see Latias, allowing Surf to take a chunk off of its hp.
I really don't want to replace my Tyranitar for Swampert because it doesn't do much for this team. Tyranitar is a very valuable team member for the reasons I listed in its description. Swampert is a less reliable lead (in my opinion) and really doesn't cover any new threats that I don't already have covered, besides Scarf Tyranitar.
I will have to test this set a bit more. So far I am preferring Specs since it has Trick and much more raw power. However, this set does catch people off guard which is always nice.
The problem I have with Magnezone is that it doesn't do much for Jirachi. Yes, CB Metagross can be annoying but Gyarados is usually a safe switch-in to it, bar Explosion. Heatran is the biggest Steel type threat to Jirachi and Magnezone isn't going to help patch that.
I switched Latias' set to Choice Specs so it now has Surf, meaning it can actually damage Heatran now.