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Asek said:
First of all. i want to write abot former hope.

I am of the opinion (quite strongly) that this slot is scum, my only hesitation being the consideration of texas tring them. let me type a long post bcause i know those give some of u hard ons

Lets run a thought experiment for a second. imagine former hope is town. as town former hope you have the following situation:
a) a slot that is pushing you and you think has a shit thought process and are actively discrediting advocating for 3p1k
b) a slot that at best has been said to be 'not as obvtown as they should be' which from my interpretation of the post is a null read. maybe a town lean if we want to be gracious here. this slot is also advocating for 3p1k
c) both of these slots are pushing onto 3p1k. as town former hope, you 99% of the time (probably greater chance than this) do not know 3p1ks alignment
now, as town!former hope, you have not read what (are at least in my opinion), the 2 most important posts 3p1k has made this game wrt figuring their alignment (with their other posts not being of a great deal of consequence), and the 2 slots that are sitting far from your town circle pushing for the slots lynch. does this sound like a circumstance in which town!former hope would vote for 3p1k ? i dont realistically see how you would want to vote there without even reading the relevant posts if there is also at least 1 slot you actively distrust pushing for that lynch as well. if i was town id be wanting to actually read the iso and form a real descision on whether i thought it was correct if the wagon (once again; from our hypothetical town!former hope point of view) had this set of circumstances around it. i often try place myself into these hypotheticals and encourage the users of this thread to do the same. i acknoledge nobody has the same thought process but i think here it is rather telling as to the motivation behind former hopes post there, and the 'sr' on 3p1k seems extremely out of place. i hope this makes sense.

Aside from that, what has former hope realistically done this game? i dont remember them taking a confident stance on anything or advocating for a wagon. the only thing theyve really done is bitch about me scumreading them (conveniantly ignoring the fact i am not the only one doing so) and what is to me, ATE'ing. does this seem like someone trying to solve the game or someone whos more concerned with not flipping? their reads are shallow as fuck if you can either call what theyve posted as reads.

'asek youve tunneled too hard and are a big dickhead who is mean. you pushed former hope out of the game before he even got a chance to play!!! fuck you!!!!'. im just preempting this for lolz. more importantly. read their opening. thanks for reading
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nothing has changed since i wrote this
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
lock town
caff bo - duh. (If this lives for a good while there's a chance it was mafia trying to tie the lynch and miscounting but its a relatively small consideration)


town core

texas - duh
asek - pretty obvious i think, his pushes are far off his scum meta
om room - obvious
vooper - eod tone was perfectly consistent with start of day tone and self voting for the 5th vote on wagon is pure
nuxl - probably w/e
duskfall - argument with me worked out


town poe

drookez (kill third) - only not in the town core because not enough posts and this should be lynched before anyone above this
former (kill second) - unlikely to be scum imo, pretty sure he's playing to his town meta, but plausible he's scum playing poor/lazy anyway
apricity (always kill first) - i think his eod was town but there's legitimate partner equity with 3p1k, i can very much believe a world where apricity is scum, goes on to his scum buddy because its natural play for him and 3p1k is afk for most of the day, then tells him to claim vig so hal can cfd the vote off onto a towny. BUT it's not an incredibly likely world so no reason to target the idea so early


regular poe (kill all of these in any order BEFORE killing ANYONE in the town poe, any prs here start thinking about when to claim)

inferno - good not-d1 lynch
rssp - someone probably disagrees, i don't see them as townier than anyone above
whydon - i gut see him as town but no evidence to justify his placed outside this
pidge - give him another day, get there eventually
energy - lynch target #1
oddish - first target of examination d2, interesting content



3p1k notable interactions

first post (282) - null reads hal (why hal over anyone else?), towns dusk
reads post (838) - weird read on nuxl (odd amount of investment to come out without a read, feels like a pocket attempt and i dont see an agenda pushed in favor of against, breaks nuxl town). slanks off of committing to a hal read.
later post (952) - targets caff/whydon for a lynch while under pressure, good look for whydon? iterates a viper town read several times over the course of his posts, i'm inclined to believe
after claim (1531) - hard defends viper again?? and again of (1537)

summary - still has partner equity with hal. do you believe he was trying to pocket vooper or defend another buddy under pressure? i think the former. vooper and hal are basically never a scum team here anyway
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alright kiddo let's look at this.

I've bolded the parts of this post that I take issues with.

I mainly take issue with the energy / oddish / inferno lynch points because you sorta posted these and did nothing with that so far, and want you to talk about them further. Lynch targets #1 and #2 but other than poe anything you see sticking it out

I'm confused why you've townlocked viper, but also are utterly confused how you got to this because, look at this:

"do you believe he was trying to pocket vooper or defend another buddy under pressure? i think the former. vooper and hal are basically never a scum team here anyway"

Why does this not indicate any partner equity with vooper?

In what world does rad try to pocket vooper over more obvious town?

How does hal's huge push on rad even indicate partner equity?

Now that we're past that, who do you think has higher partner equity?
 
OM room said:
alright kiddo let's look at this.

I've bolded the parts of this post that I take issues with.

I mainly take issue with the energy / oddish / inferno lynch points because you sorta posted these and did nothing with that so far, and want you to talk about them further. Lynch targets #1 and #2 but other than poe anything you see sticking it out

I'm confused why you've townlocked viper, but also are utterly confused how you got to this because, look at this:

"do you believe he was trying to pocket vooper or defend another buddy under pressure? i think the former. vooper and hal are basically never a scum team here anyway"

Why does this not indicate any partner equity with vooper?

In what world does rad try to pocket vooper over more obvious town?

How does hal's huge push on rad even indicate partner equity?

Now that we're past that, who do you think has higher partner equity?
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the fact that hal isn't locktown in that post and instead is the main read is actually fucking wild
 
Whydon said:
I don't see Texas scum tbh at least not right now?
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i can see texas lining up a mislynch on me and defending partner caff and ignoring the rad wagon until my push made it untenable for him to do so any longer

i can see a very very specific world of rad/texas/fh/caff

but i definitely see something worth exploring here with om
 
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