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NOC There's Actually a Sequel to the Matrix - Day 9 (Deadline Tuesday 10 PM EST)
- Thread starter Da Letter El
- Start date
[QUOTE="Nuxl, post: 8010932, member: 149971or his self-vote set up for a tied lynch[/QUOTE]
checked the votecounts, htis seems pretty unreasonable as vooper had 6 votes at the time of his self lynch with his hypothetical partner caffbo being on his wagon, which would be more than rad's 5 at the time.
so it would probably be played for that reaction into ideal tie the vote between caff/rad
checked the votecounts, htis seems pretty unreasonable as vooper had 6 votes at the time of his self lynch with his hypothetical partner caffbo being on his wagon, which would be more than rad's 5 at the time.
so it would probably be played for that reaction into ideal tie the vote between caff/rad
I kinda just want to follow Asek's poe and lynch Nuxl here so that if we're wrong we can flame him instead :]
nah but seriously I think in this scenario I always go with Asek's poe, viper's end of day 1 is just too towny for me, and even though I haven't really like his recent posting behavior (fairly passive) I think Nuxl is 90% scum here
am going to look back on interactions and see what comes up but yeah
nah but seriously I think in this scenario I always go with Asek's poe, viper's end of day 1 is just too towny for me, and even though I haven't really like his recent posting behavior (fairly passive) I think Nuxl is 90% scum here
am going to look back on interactions and see what comes up but yeah
after two day phases this is the post i see? :/
why did you vote drookez two phases ago?
is your biggest case between me > viper his end of day 1 compared to my posting this game?
I'm currently on mobile so I don't have the formatting available to dig through an iso and pick apart posting schemes
but generally my thought process is something like
CERTIFIED NUXL TOWNCRED
-the Texas v viper thing kinda reflected better on viper to me in that argument. i do think some of the rrsponses were a bit strange(accidental hammer, this is why i don't sheep hal every game post for ex) but unless he sdapted to his recent scumgames it felt a bit reminiscent of how he was pressured in reinforcements compsred to the wally weird shit he msde in 2d3. Haven't seen scumviper being pressured other aside from going afk d3 in matriz ROFL
-Caff pushing vooper in effect felt memey and is awk behavior to treat a partner
-3p1ks hard super yownread read on him seems strange and caffbos scumread in d1 considering how in previous games he generally seems to have distanced himself from his previous scummies(ifml had a null read that shaded him in 2d3, and Asek and Martin in Matrix The Predecessor maintained null reads on him). As such it would be a weird meta shift imo
-Showijg up at eod and offering himself to get lynched is incredibly ballsy as scum especially with 2 partners around by eod. Not necessarily to say it's imporbable as scum to do so but I just feel like it would be incredibly risky. I maintain the opinipnnthat scum would uze ghis presecne to mobipize onto an alternative slot instead of pushing each other
Only thing I can really visualize is that scumknowingd be a cop would play for the set up for to win the game but does the team of caff rad fh viper scheme about this (the former two seemingly with their first acumgame on the site). Ik vooper was open to lynch Asek last matrix eod so I don't feel that this type of play is entirely out of his scumrange and it's possible he and caff, if they bus, try to not get caff the scum PR lynched. But it certainly wouldn't be something I'd do and I think that's definitely points tonhis favor (but also maybe it's because I have no balls myself).
-I liked his presence a lot in mylo and I thoughtbit helped in terms of gamesolve. Paranoia is generally a townie concept IMO
-Changes his preferred read on me in mylo which I imagine hed keep maintaining as scum to eventually try to get me. Like especially in mylo where the other two people are tunneling my slot so nits like yeah easy f4 from scum persepctice
CERTIFIED NUXL DISAGREEMENTS
-Outside of d1 and mylo he hadnt really been there which i csnt chalk up to if it was due to outside commitments like eimm or if he just didn't really need to be there because he earned his yowntead and didn't need to solve further sorta like Matrix 14. Like I went through his iso and there was a date akip from Dec 23-Dec29 which is strange lol necuase this is the point where he was almost universally townread iirc but holidays so msybe i also can't expect people to waste their lives on Smogon dot com playing forum mafia. That being said I was also gone for personal reasons.
-Probabltnjust perspective differentness but I can't see for the life of me why hhes treating the NKs as wifom. In terms of perspective I can see the order of kills past d4 making sense from a flying solo scum viper except for like om room. But I do find it more likely that the om and texas kills would point nore to whydon than viper if I do not discredit the nk views(which i still would like to maintain). Pidge kill definitely seems... interesting from whydon perspective though and points more to viper out of the two but it could also just be whydon playing the wifom game so......
Next few are fairly minor
-The attempted hal case seemed strange and reminded me of 2d3 where he picked it up and dropped it and disappeared. This is fairly minor but it could easily be a reactively weird push but there's also visible scum motication of creating this case, pushing a elft field wagon, then dropping it sfyer the gamestate changes to a point when it looks less viable
-Like almost 0 scumcred here but FH said the Texas v vooper argument was tvt which could be buddying his partner which isn't really something i initially maintained at first
-His reads on 3p1k/caff/FH d1 seemed like what I'd kind of expect from scumviper in terms of shading his partners in a null-negstive way but some of the rrasoning is "im sheeping lol" which is :? from a scum view as I imagine people would look more into it
but generally my thought process is something like
CERTIFIED NUXL TOWNCRED
-the Texas v viper thing kinda reflected better on viper to me in that argument. i do think some of the rrsponses were a bit strange(accidental hammer, this is why i don't sheep hal every game post for ex) but unless he sdapted to his recent scumgames it felt a bit reminiscent of how he was pressured in reinforcements compsred to the wally weird shit he msde in 2d3. Haven't seen scumviper being pressured other aside from going afk d3 in matriz ROFL
-Caff pushing vooper in effect felt memey and is awk behavior to treat a partner
-3p1ks hard super yownread read on him seems strange and caffbos scumread in d1 considering how in previous games he generally seems to have distanced himself from his previous scummies(ifml had a null read that shaded him in 2d3, and Asek and Martin in Matrix The Predecessor maintained null reads on him). As such it would be a weird meta shift imo
-Showijg up at eod and offering himself to get lynched is incredibly ballsy as scum especially with 2 partners around by eod. Not necessarily to say it's imporbable as scum to do so but I just feel like it would be incredibly risky. I maintain the opinipnnthat scum would uze ghis presecne to mobipize onto an alternative slot instead of pushing each other
Only thing I can really visualize is that scumknowingd be a cop would play for the set up for to win the game but does the team of caff rad fh viper scheme about this (the former two seemingly with their first acumgame on the site). Ik vooper was open to lynch Asek last matrix eod so I don't feel that this type of play is entirely out of his scumrange and it's possible he and caff, if they bus, try to not get caff the scum PR lynched. But it certainly wouldn't be something I'd do and I think that's definitely points tonhis favor (but also maybe it's because I have no balls myself).
-I liked his presence a lot in mylo and I thoughtbit helped in terms of gamesolve. Paranoia is generally a townie concept IMO
-Changes his preferred read on me in mylo which I imagine hed keep maintaining as scum to eventually try to get me. Like especially in mylo where the other two people are tunneling my slot so nits like yeah easy f4 from scum persepctice
CERTIFIED NUXL DISAGREEMENTS
-Outside of d1 and mylo he hadnt really been there which i csnt chalk up to if it was due to outside commitments like eimm or if he just didn't really need to be there because he earned his yowntead and didn't need to solve further sorta like Matrix 14. Like I went through his iso and there was a date akip from Dec 23-Dec29 which is strange lol necuase this is the point where he was almost universally townread iirc but holidays so msybe i also can't expect people to waste their lives on Smogon dot com playing forum mafia. That being said I was also gone for personal reasons.
-Probabltnjust perspective differentness but I can't see for the life of me why hhes treating the NKs as wifom. In terms of perspective I can see the order of kills past d4 making sense from a flying solo scum viper except for like om room. But I do find it more likely that the om and texas kills would point nore to whydon than viper if I do not discredit the nk views(which i still would like to maintain). Pidge kill definitely seems... interesting from whydon perspective though and points more to viper out of the two but it could also just be whydon playing the wifom game so......
Next few are fairly minor
-The attempted hal case seemed strange and reminded me of 2d3 where he picked it up and dropped it and disappeared. This is fairly minor but it could easily be a reactively weird push but there's also visible scum motication of creating this case, pushing a elft field wagon, then dropping it sfyer the gamestate changes to a point when it looks less viable
-Like almost 0 scumcred here but FH said the Texas v vooper argument was tvt which could be buddying his partner which isn't really something i initially maintained at first
-His reads on 3p1k/caff/FH d1 seemed like what I'd kind of expect from scumviper in terms of shading his partners in a null-negstive way but some of the rrasoning is "im sheeping lol" which is :? from a scum view as I imagine people would look more into it
I'll basically be around in real time tomorrow but I'll read throguh whydons iso again and see what's up. If anyone wants to talk feel free.
I was queasy around the pidge kill but if whydon walks into.... literally fucking LYLO like this it's really sort of difficult for me to understand where he's coming from because it seems like a confident push for a phase that (at least what im currently feeling) should be something that if you are reevaluating or lpoking for "new light" you do it now? Like I'd be digging harder into the things I don't like yk but maubdbthsts just my playstyle I Suppose
I was queasy around the pidge kill but if whydon walks into.... literally fucking LYLO like this it's really sort of difficult for me to understand where he's coming from because it seems like a confident push for a phase that (at least what im currently feeling) should be something that if you are reevaluating or lpoking for "new light" you do it now? Like I'd be digging harder into the things I don't like yk but maubdbthsts just my playstyle I Suppose
Idk. I just want to end this drawn out game with a town win and currently I'm feeling like a whydon lynch is the one to do it.
If scum viper really did just make the pidge kill to encourage a crossvotr between us sndd then to hammer then certainly well played, like really. But if I've been confbissing myslef so far then I guess the only person j have to blame isnmyslwf I suppose
If scum viper really did just make the pidge kill to encourage a crossvotr between us sndd then to hammer then certainly well played, like really. But if I've been confbissing myslef so far then I guess the only person j have to blame isnmyslwf I suppose