Gen 5 Thundurus-T (Revamp) [Done]

[Caetano93]

[OVERVIEW]

With insanely high Special Attack, important Ground and Electric immunities, powerful attacks in Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. Its flaws are its mediocre Speed stat for an offensive Pokemon, reliance on inaccurate moves, and need for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Substitute eases prediction and blocks incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option, as Thundurus-T should be paired with rain, and its 30% paralysis chance is a potential death sentence for offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, and Celebi and 2HKOes Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last moveslot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility lets Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of a wallbreaker. Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow down natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion.

Set Details
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104 HP EVs alongside 144 Defense EVs make sure that Ferrothorn's Power Whip and specially defensive Jirachi's Body Slam never break Thundurus-T's Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs make unboosted Latios's Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs are used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B. Leftovers mitigates damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage.

Usage Tips
========
Play aggressively with double switches to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, or Power Whip Ferrothorn so it can safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximize its function as a wallbreaker, since there are almost no Pokemon that can stomach BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep chance in the endgame. Use every possible opportunity to get chip damage on the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of beating Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
========
Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, since it sets up rain to give Thunder perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support to amplify its role as wallbreaker or cleaner, so Ferrothorn, which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to help with Thundurus-T's wallbreaking. Tentacruel and Excadrill provide Rapid Spin support, and Tentacruel also helps with Thundurus-T's Ice-type weakness and can take rain-boosted Water-type hits. Offensively, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking capacities to finish off weakened teams. Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help break through defensive cores with Choice Band sets, revenge kill setup sweepers with priority moves, or finish off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and it can paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam while being an answer to Latias and Latios. Latias, similarly to Latios, can capitalize on Thundurus-T to finish off opponents with a Choice Scarf set, or it can directly support Thundurus-T with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a rare but successful core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Mew is not a common sight in the tier, but it can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon in the tier and an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in rain, but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using this set on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice gives BoltBeam coverage and KOes Electric-immune Pokemon like Garchomp, Landorus-T, and opposing Thundurus-T. The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon is problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine.

Set Details
========
24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 104 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T survive powerful special hits like Draco Meteor from non-Choice Specs Latios, rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling.

Usage Tips
========
Avoid taking unneeded damage with Thundurus-T, since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be swept or when you must remove a specific Pokemon, like Latios or Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T's teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent on good predictions, like double switches, to do its job.

Team Options
========
Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best partner, since it sets rain to give Thunder perfect accuracy alongside creating setup opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn also check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention, since it can use Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provide dual screens support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Espeon and Xatu can also provide dual screens support while reflecting entry hazards.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but Thunderbolt is the best option on teams without rain. Hidden Power Ice is used to OHKO Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor while damaging Grass- and Dragon-types. Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain with Leftovers. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk missing Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 56 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios's Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature let it outspeed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
========
Don't be afraid of using Thundurus-T early-game, since this set functions similarly to SubsThundy as a wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team has a Gastrodon or Seismitoad, to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than usual, it can even unexpectedly KO maximum Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T, and Tyranitar. Afterwards, Thundurus-T can steal offensive momentum or switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
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Thundurus-T, ideally, is used in rain structures to give Thunder perfect accuracy, so Politoed is its best partner. If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that love having Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine. If using Focus Blast, use powerful Dragon-types that want Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence. Ferrothorn is a very good partner, since it can check Latios and provide entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which has awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T in via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Baton Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention, since it can capitalize on Thundurus-T's Protect scouting to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well in sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can profit from the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus, are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable, but it's difficult to get both boosts without a dedicated team to support it. A Nasty Plot + 3 Attacks set turns Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker; however, it needs dedicated team support, since its mediocre bulk and Speed make it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help Thundurus-T's teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but Thundurus-T normally does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a four attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the coverage of Focus Blast + Grass Knot. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavily damage Celebi, but it forces Thundurus-T to lose some bulk by running a Hasty nature, or it risks not doing enough damage to defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, since almost all players expect Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break trhough defensive cores. However, once the surprise factor fades away, it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have many more important targets. Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand- and Stealth Rock-weak reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific matchups, but this is generally worse than just holding Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T's sweeping potential, but being sand-weak makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, or it can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to wallbreak with shaky Thunder accuracy and effectively removing its Leftovers recovery. Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fears Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but it needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder's accuracy and supporting teammates like Cresselia, which shrugs off even neutral Electric-type hits because of its massive bulk. Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it has mediocre defenses and can't switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast and play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but it doesn't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can wall Thundurus-T with Recover, but must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Seismitoad similarly checks Thundurus-T, but it needs to be played more carefully, since it doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and it can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force-boosted Iron Head before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but it can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute on Thundurus-T variants without Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can switch into any move Thundurus-T can use at least once, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal with Recover, but it needs to fear Thunder paralysis. Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses and heal away the damage with Recover, but it further takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem can take one Focus Blast and immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage and Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that doesn't use a Timid nature and threatens to KO it with item-boosted Draco Meteor, but it needs to be wary of Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed or set up Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to be wary of Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but it can only switch into Hidden Power Ice, since it fears Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant in rain that isn't behind Substitute, but it can't switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T but can be used to finish it off once it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize on it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off and Superpower.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Caetano93, 394051]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [We Three Kings, 246992]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [CryoGyro, 331519]]

 

[Finchinator]

This looks great!

I think some people will argue for Nasty Plot on the first set over Agility. Personally, I favor Agility, but if another QCer feels differently, I understand. Aside from this, all of the sets are accurate, in my opinion. Thundurus-Therian has evolved so nicely over the years and this description fits it well.

As for other edits, Mamoswine can get a bit of a listing under Ground types in the C&C. Ice Shard is a great revenge killing tool (especially if you are a piece of shit like me and slap Chople Berry onto it), but also you are able to defensively handle 2A variants, which are still pretty common.

Scizor should probably get special, unique mentions under the team options section of the Protect variants. It is able to force an awkward dynamic for Latios, who has to lock into a move and risk a trap every time Thundurus-Therian comes in. Scizor is the Pursuit user viable on Rain teams, so that goes a long way for it here.

Petaya Berry can be mentioned as an option on the Substitute + Agility set (either in the OO or in the set comments depending on what you prefer). This also lets you muscle past things like SDef Tyranitar while still getting off another kill before Sand takes you out instead of relying on accuracy AND potentially needing other chip or paralysis. It is also good for Celebi, Amoonguss, and other soft checks to non-NP variants.

I was debating mentioning Wide Lens and Fighting Gem to make the most out of Focus Blast -- I have seen both before. However, they seem fringe and very uncommon now, so I will leave it up to you.

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[Caetano93]

We Three Kings QC this in my discord pm. Moving it to GP.

 

[Plague von Karma]

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[OVERVIEW]

With an insanely high Special Attack stat alongside an important Ground- and Electric-type immunity immunities, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. With great and (this doesn't really add much, powerful is sufficient) powerful coverage options in the form of Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T is one of the scariest threats of BW OU. Its flaws exist in the form of a mediocre Speed stats for an offensive Pokemon, being dependent on the inaccurate moves, and the need of for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Substitute is used to ease predictions, as well as to block incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option as it also have has a 30% paralysis chance, with is a dead death sentence for Thundurus-T offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt also have has its merits since it can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms a BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes (calc'd this to be sure) Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. (RC, AP) while damaging It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting 2HKOes (calc'd this too, previously this was a run-on sentence so it's best to separate) Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last slot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility is also a good option to let Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of an wallbreaker. Finally, Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow apart its natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion. Leftovers is the prefered item to negate sand damage, and to soften Substitute usage and Stealth Rock damage. and to mitigate damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage. (This was worded very oddly, I think this may be better)

Set Details
========
104 HP, (AC) alongside 144 Defense EVs, (AC) is used to make sure that Power Whip from Ferrothorn and Body Slam from specially defensive Jirachi never break Thundurus-T's (possessive) Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs makes non-boosted Latios Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs is used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B.

Usage Tips
========
Make aggressive plays ("Play aggressively" may be better for tone here), like double switches, to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, and Power Whip Ferrothorn, to safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, then bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximizes its function as an wallbreaker, since there is almost no Pokemon in the tier that can stomach a BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep scenario in the end game. Remember to use every opportunitie opportunity that appears during the game to score (I guess? "Chip damage" is a term, so you would want a descriptor here...like "accumulate", "get", or something like that.) chip damage the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of breaking Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
========
Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, (AC) since it sets up rain and lets Thunder have perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes depending on the Encored move used. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support, (AC) so Ferrothorn, that which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to weaken defensive Pokemon to help with Thundurus-T wallbreaking function. Tentacruel and Excadrill are also very good partners as they provides Rapid Spin support and, in Tentacruel case, helps with its Ice-type weakness and can take Water-type boosted hits. In On the offensive side, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's breaking capacities to finish off weakened teams with heavy-hitting sets like Choice Specs or by doing a Choice Scarf cleaning. (The wording here is a bit weird, but this seems more efficient? It's a bit subjective.) Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help breaking defensive cores with a Choice Band sets (you're referring to two Pokemon, so this should be in plural form), revenge killing opposing setup sweepers with priority moves, or finishing off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and can paralyses paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam alongside (subjective: maybe make this "while"?) being a Dragon-type answer for an opposing Lati Twins Latias and Latios (GP doesn't use "lati twins"). Latias, similar to its brother, can capitalize from Thundurus-T to finish off opposing teams with a Choice Scarf set, or can directly support it with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a very peculiar core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Batom Baton Pass. Even if not common, Mew can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Batom Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon of in the tier, (AC) allowing it to be an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in on a rain team, (AC) but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using it in on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice form a BoltBeam combination and KOs Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor, while damaging Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. (this is copypasted from the previous set, rephrase this) The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, (AC) while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon are problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling it.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for residual damage, (AC) and with 104 Special Defense EVs, (AC) lets Thundurus-T survives powerful special hits, like Draco Meteor from non-Specs Latios, Dragon Pulse or rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin.

Usage Tips
========
Avoid taking free damage with Thundurus-T, (AC) since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon in the early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be sweeped swept or when you must remove an specific Pokemon, like a Latios or a Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent in on good predictions to do its job.

Team Options
========
Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best option partner, (AC) since it sets rain and allows Thunder to have perfect accuracy, alongside creating Agility set up opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn are good partners as well, (AC) since they can check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine are good teammates as they can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Batom Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping opposing Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention since it can use Batom Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up an Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provides dual screen support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Pokemon, like Espeon and Xatu, can also provides dual screen support at the same time that prevent while reflecting entry hazards from being used. (Magic Bounce doesn't prevent use, per se, it just reflects them back at the opponent.)

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Thunder is the best option since it have perfect accuracy in rain and 30% paralysis chance (dex info, it's ok but you really need to note what it actually hits if you're mentioning it. Maybe just say something along the lines of"Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but if it's not, use Thunderbolt"?), but Thunderbolt is the safest move to use versus a sand or sun team. Hidden Power Ice form a BoltBeam combination and KOs Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor, while damaging Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. (this is just copypasted from the previous sets which reach lower SpA values, you need to rephrase this) Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk a miss from Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine. Leftovers is the ideal item as it negates sand damage.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for residual damage, (AC) and with 56 Special Defense EVs, (AC) lets Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature lets it outspeed a max Speed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
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Do not have fear of using Thundurus-T in the early-game, (AC) since this set functions similarly to a SubsThundy as an wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team have has a Gastrodon or a Seismitoad to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than the normal usual, it can even grab surprises KOs versus max Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T and Tyranitar. With this, Thundurus-T can do the more optimized play, allowing it to (fluff) steal the offensive momentum or make a switch to set entry hazards switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
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Thundurus-T, (AC) ideally, (AC) is used in rain structures, so a Politoed is its best partner as it alow allows Thunder to have perfect accuracy. Use Pokemon that loves having opposing Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine when using Grass Knot, or powerful Dragon-types that wants Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence if using Focus Blast. (subjective: You may want to do something like "If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that like having Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like...", then do the same for Focus Blast, separating the sentences.) Ferrothorn is a very good partner, (AC) since it can provides a Latios check alongside entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which with provides awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Batom Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention since it can capitalize from on the Protect scout Thundurus-T provides to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well under sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can captalize with profit from (removing repetition of "capitalize") the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable but it's (AA) difficult to get both boosts outside a dedicated team to support this. A set with Nasty Plot + 3 attacks is also a good option to turn Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker, however, (AC) it needs dedicated team support since its mediocre bulk and Speed makes it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help its teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but normally, (AC) Thundurus-T already does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a 4 attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the Fighting + Grass-type coverage in those situations. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavy-damage heavily damage Celebi, but this forces Thundurus-T to lose some defensive bulk by running a Hasty nature, (AC) or it risks not doing enough damage versus defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, (AC) since almost all players expect a Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break defensive cores. (AP) , but However, once the surprise factor fades away, (AC) it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. (broke this up due, run-on sentence) Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavy-damage heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have much more important targets, Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand and Stealth Rock weak reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry are options to improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific match-ups, but this is generally worse than just holding a Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T sweeping potential, (AC) but being sand weak makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
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**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, (AC) or can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge in if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to break opposing teams with shaky Thunder accuracy, and removing as well as the effective removal of its Leftovers recovery (bit wordier but more coherent). Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fear Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder accuracy, supporting teammates like Cresselia that shrug off even neutral Electric-type hits because of it their massive bulk. (you refer to teammates, so you're implying that there are bulky Pokemon other than Cresselia. In this case, "their" is required for plural form) Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it have has mediocre defenses and can't enter switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast (RC) and can do some play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but Amoonguss don't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that didn't don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can outstall Thundurus-T with Recover, but it must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Similarly, Seismitoad walls Thundurus-T, but needs to be played more carefully, (AC) since it didn't doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force boosted-Iron Head before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Lastly, Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute versus Thundurus-T variants with no Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can one-time (AH) switch into any move Thundurus-T can use, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal off with Recover, but needs to fear a Thunder paralysis. (unsure: you could remove "one-time" and tack on "at least once" at the end for flexibility) Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses versus it, take little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heal away the damage with Recover, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem both can take one Focus Blast and can immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage or Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that didn't doesn't use a Timid nature and threaten to KO it with an item boosted-Draco Meteor, but needs to be wary of to not switch into a Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite both fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed (modern spelling/spacing) or set up a Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to fear a Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but can only enter in front of Hidden Power Ice, (AC) since it fears a Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant under rain that are not isn't behind Substitute, but must be wary to not switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T, but can be used to finish it off once Thundurus-T was it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize in front of it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that thundurus Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off or Superpower.

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[OVERVIEW]

With an insanely high Special Attack stat alongside an important Ground- and Electric-type immunity immunities, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. With great and (this doesn't really add much, powerful is sufficient) powerful coverage options in the form of Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T is one of the scariest threats of BW OU. Its flaws exist in the form of a mediocre Speed stats for an offensive Pokemon, being dependent on the inaccurate moves, and the need of for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Substitute is used to ease predictions, as well as to block incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option as it also have has a 30% paralysis chance, with is a dead death sentence for Thundurus-T offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt also have has its merits since it can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms a BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes (calc'd this to be sure) Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. (RC, AP) while damaging It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting 2HKOes (calc'd this too, previously this was a run-on sentence so it's best to separate) Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last slot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility is also a good option to let Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of an wallbreaker. Finally, Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow apart its natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion. Leftovers is the prefered item to negate sand damage, and to soften Substitute usage and Stealth Rock damage. and to mitigate damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage. (This was worded very oddly, I think this may be better)

Set Details
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104 HP, (AC) alongside 144 Defense EVs, (AC) is used to make sure that Power Whip from Ferrothorn and Body Slam from specially defensive Jirachi never break Thundurus-T's (possessive) Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs makes non-boosted Latios Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs is used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B.

Usage Tips
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Make aggressive plays ("Play aggressively" may be better for tone here), like double switches, to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, and Power Whip Ferrothorn, to safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, then bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximizes its function as an wallbreaker, since there is almost no Pokemon in the tier that can stomach a BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep scenario in the end game. Remember to use every opportunitie opportunity that appears during the game to score (I guess? "Chip damage" is a term, so you would want a descriptor here...like "accumulate", "get", or something like that.) chip damage the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of breaking Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
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Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, (AC) since it sets up rain and lets Thunder have perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes depending on the Encored move used. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support, (AC) so Ferrothorn, that which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to weaken defensive Pokemon to help with Thundurus-T wallbreaking function. Tentacruel and Excadrill are also very good partners as they provides Rapid Spin support and, in Tentacruel case, helps with its Ice-type weakness and can take Water-type boosted hits. In On the offensive side, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's breaking capacities to finish off weakened teams with heavy-hitting sets like Choice Specs or by doing a Choice Scarf cleaning. (The wording here is a bit weird, but this seems more efficient? It's a bit subjective.) Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help breaking defensive cores with a Choice Band sets (you're referring to two Pokemon, so this should be in plural form), revenge killing opposing setup sweepers with priority moves, or finishing off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and can paralyses paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam alongside (subjective: maybe make this "while"?) being a Dragon-type answer for an opposing Lati Twins Latias and Latios (GP doesn't use "lati twins"). Latias, similar to its brother, can capitalize from Thundurus-T to finish off opposing teams with a Choice Scarf set, or can directly support it with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a very peculiar core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Batom Baton Pass. Even if not common, Mew can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Batom Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon of in the tier, (AC) allowing it to be an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in on a rain team, (AC) but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using it in on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice form a BoltBeam combination and KOs Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor, while damaging Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. (this is copypasted from the previous set, rephrase this) The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, (AC) while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon are problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling it.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for residual damage, (AC) and with 104 Special Defense EVs, (AC) lets Thundurus-T survives powerful special hits, like Draco Meteor from non-Specs Latios, Dragon Pulse or rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin.

Usage Tips
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Avoid taking free damage with Thundurus-T, (AC) since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon in the early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be sweeped swept or when you must remove an specific Pokemon, like a Latios or a Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent in on good predictions to do its job.

Team Options
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Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best option partner, (AC) since it sets rain and allows Thunder to have perfect accuracy, alongside creating Agility set up opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn are good partners as well, (AC) since they can check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine are good teammates as they can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Batom Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping opposing Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention since it can use Batom Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up an Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provides dual screen support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Pokemon, like Espeon and Xatu, can also provides dual screen support at the same time that prevent while reflecting entry hazards from being used. (Magic Bounce doesn't prevent use, per se, it just reflects them back at the opponent.)

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Thunder is the best option since it have perfect accuracy in rain and 30% paralysis chance (dex info, it's ok but you really need to note what it actually hits if you're mentioning it. Maybe just say something along the lines of"Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but if it's not, use Thunderbolt"?), but Thunderbolt is the safest move to use versus a sand or sun team. Hidden Power Ice form a BoltBeam combination and KOs Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor, while damaging Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, Celebi, and hard-hitting Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. (this is just copypasted from the previous sets which reach lower SpA values, you need to rephrase this) Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk a miss from Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine. Leftovers is the ideal item as it negates sand damage.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for residual damage, (AC) and with 56 Special Defense EVs, (AC) lets Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature lets it outspeed a max Speed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
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Do not have fear of using Thundurus-T in the early-game, (AC) since this set functions similarly to a SubsThundy as an wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team have has a Gastrodon or a Seismitoad to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than the normal usual, it can even grab surprises KOs versus max Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T and Tyranitar. With this, Thundurus-T can do the more optimized play, allowing it to (fluff) steal the offensive momentum or make a switch to set entry hazards switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
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Thundurus-T, (AC) ideally, (AC) is used in rain structures, so a Politoed is its best partner as it alow allows Thunder to have perfect accuracy. Use Pokemon that loves having opposing Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine when using Grass Knot, or powerful Dragon-types that wants Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence if using Focus Blast. (subjective: You may want to do something like "If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that like having Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like...", then do the same for Focus Blast, separating the sentences.) Ferrothorn is a very good partner, (AC) since it can provides a Latios check alongside entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which with provides awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Batom Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention since it can capitalize from on the Protect scout Thundurus-T provides to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well under sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can captalize with profit from (removing repetition of "capitalize") the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable but it's (AA) difficult to get both boosts outside a dedicated team to support this. A set with Nasty Plot + 3 attacks is also a good option to turn Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker, however, (AC) it needs dedicated team support since its mediocre bulk and Speed makes it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help its teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but normally, (AC) Thundurus-T already does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a 4 attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the Fighting + Grass-type coverage in those situations. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavy-damage heavily damage Celebi, but this forces Thundurus-T to lose some defensive bulk by running a Hasty nature, (AC) or it risks not doing enough damage versus defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, (AC) since almost all players expect a Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break defensive cores. (AP) , but However, once the surprise factor fades away, (AC) it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. (broke this up due, run-on sentence) Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavy-damage heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have much more important targets, Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand and Stealth Rock weak reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry are options to improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific match-ups, but this is generally worse than just holding a Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T sweeping potential, (AC) but being sand weak makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
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**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, (AC) or can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge in if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to break opposing teams with shaky Thunder accuracy, and removing as well as the effective removal of its Leftovers recovery (bit wordier but more coherent). Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fear Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder accuracy, supporting teammates like Cresselia that shrug off even neutral Electric-type hits because of it their massive bulk. (you refer to teammates, so you're implying that there are bulky Pokemon other than Cresselia. In this case, "their" is required for plural form) Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it have has mediocre defenses and can't enter switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast (RC) and can do some play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but Amoonguss don't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that didn't don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can outstall Thundurus-T with Recover, but it must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Similarly, Seismitoad walls Thundurus-T, but needs to be played more carefully, (AC) since it didn't doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force boosted-Iron Head before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Lastly, Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute versus Thundurus-T variants with no Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can one-time (AH) switch into any move Thundurus-T can use, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal off with Recover, but needs to fear a Thunder paralysis. (unsure: you could remove "one-time" and tack on "at least once" at the end for flexibility) Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses versus it, take little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heal away the damage with Recover, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem both can take one Focus Blast and can immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage or Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that didn't doesn't use a Timid nature and threaten to KO it with an item boosted-Draco Meteor, but needs to be wary of to not switch into a Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite both fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed (modern spelling/spacing) or set up a Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to fear a Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but can only enter in front of Hidden Power Ice, (AC) since it fears a Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant under rain that are not isn't behind Substitute, but must be wary to not switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T, but can be used to finish it off once Thundurus-T was it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize in front of it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that thundurus Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off or Superpower.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Caetano93, 394051]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [We Three Kings, 246992]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]

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[OVERVIEW]

With an insanely high Special Attack stat alongside important Ground- and Electric-type Ground and Electric immunities, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. With powerful coverage options attacks in the form of Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T is one of the scariest threats of BW OU. Its flaws exist in the form of a are its mediocre Speed stat for an offensive Pokemon, being dependent reliance on inaccurate moves, and the need for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Substitute is used to ease prediction, as well as to block incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option, (AC) as it also has a Thundurus-T should be paired with rain, and its 30% paralysis chance (RC) with is a death sentence for offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, and Celebi (RC) and 2HKOes Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last moveslot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility lets Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of a wallbreaker. Finally, Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow apart down its natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion.

Set Details
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104 HP (RC) EVs alongside 144 Defense EVs (RC) is are used to make sure that Ferrothorn's Power Whip and specially defensive Jirachi's Body Slam never break Thundurus-T's Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs make non-boosted Latios Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs is are used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B. Leftovers is used to mitigate damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage.

Usage Tips
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Play aggressively with double switches to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, and or Power Whip Ferrothorn (RC) to safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, then bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximize its function as a wallbreaker, since there is are almost no Pokemon in the tier that can stomach BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep scenario in the endgame. (was "end game") Use every possible opportunity that appears during the game to get chip damage on the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of breaking Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
========
Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, since it sets up rain and lets Thunder have to give Thunder perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes depending on the move used. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support to amplify its role as wallbreaker or cleaner, so Ferrothorn, (AC) which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to help with Thundurus-T's wallbreaking function. Tentacruel and Excadrill are also very good partners, (AC) as they provide Rapid Spin support, (AC) and, in Tentacruel case, helps with its and Tentacruel also helps with Thundurus-T's Ice-type weakness and can take rain-boosted Water-type hits. On the offensive side, Offensively, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's breaking capacities to finish off weakened teams. Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help break defensive cores with Choice Band sets, revenge killing opposing setup sweepers with priority moves, or finishing off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and it can paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam while being a Dragon-type answer for opposing Latias and Latios. Latias, similarly to its brother Latios, can capitalize from on Thundurus-T to finish off opposing teams with a Choice Scarf set, or it can directly support it Thundurus-T with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a very peculiar (very peculiar? you should explain why it's so strange) core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Even if not common, Mew can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon in the tier, allowing it to be an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in rain, but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using it this set on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice gives BoltBeam coverage and KOes Electric-immune Pokemon like Garchomp, Landorus-T, and opposing Thundurus-T. The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon are is problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine.

Set Details
========
24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for from residual damage, and, (AC) with 104 Special Defense EVs, lets Thundurus-T survive powerful special hits (RC) like Draco Meteor from non-Choice Specs Latios, rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling it.

Usage Tips
========
Avoid taking free unneeded damage with Thundurus-T, since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon in the early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be swept or when you must remove a specific Pokemon, like Latios or Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T's teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent on good predictions to do its job.

Team Options
========
Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best partner, since it sets rain and allows to allow Thunder to have perfect accuracy (RC) alongside creating setup (was "set up") opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn are good partners as well, since they can also check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine are good teammates as they can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping opposing Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention, (AC) since it can use Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up an Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provide dual screens support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Pokemon, like Espeon and Xatu (RC) can also provide dual screens support while reflecting entry hazards.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but, (AC) if using it into a sand or weatherless team, then Thunderbolt is the best option. Hidden Power Ice is used to OHKO Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor (RC) while damaging Grass- and Dragon-types. Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain with Leftovers. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk a miss from Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine.

Set Details
========
24 HP EVs optimizes Leftovers recovery for from residual damage, and, (AC) with 56 Special Defense EVs, lets Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature lets it outspeed a max Speed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
========
Do not have fear Don't be afraid of using Thundurus-T in the early-game, since this set functions similarly to a SubsThundy as a wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team has a Gastrodon or Seismitoad, (AC) to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than usual, it can even grab surprise KOs versus max Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T, (AC) and Tyranitar. With this Afterwards, (I imagine?) Thundurus-T can steal offensive momentum or switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
========
Thundurus-T, ideally, is used in rain structures to give Thunder perfect accuracy, so a Politoed is its best partner as it allows Thunder to have perfect accuracy. If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that love having opposing Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine. If using Focus Blast, use powerful Dragon-types that wants Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence. Ferrothorn is a very good partner, since it can provide a Latios check alongside entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which provides awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T in via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Baton Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention, (AC) since it can capitalize on the Protect scouting Thundurus-T provides to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well under sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can profit from the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus, (AC) are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable, (AC) but it's difficult to get both boosts outside a dedicated team to support this. A set with Nasty Plot + 3 Attacks set is also a good option to turn Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker; (comma -> semicolon) however, it needs dedicated team support, (AC) since its mediocre bulk and Speed make it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help its Thundurus-T's teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but, (AC) normally, Thundurus-T already does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a 4 four attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the Fighting + Grass-type coverage in those situations coverage of Focus Blast + Grass Knot in such a set. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavily damage Celebi, but this it forces Thundurus-T to lose some defensive bulk by running a Hasty nature, or it risks not doing enough damage versus defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, since almost all players expect Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break defensive cores. However, once the surprise factor fades away, it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have much many more important targets. (comma -> period) Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand- and Stealth Rock-weak (added both hyphens) reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry are options to improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific matchups, (removed hyphen) but this is generally worse than just holding Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T's sweeping potential, but being sand-weak (added hyphen) makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, or it can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to break opposing teams wallbreak with shaky Thunder accuracy (RC) as well as the effective removal of effectively removing its Leftovers recovery. Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fears Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but it needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder's accuracy (RC) and supporting teammates like Cresselia that shrug off even neutral Electric-type hits because of their massive bulk. Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it has mediocre defenses and can't switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast and play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but Amoonguss don't it doesn't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can wall Thundurus-T with Recover, but it must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Similarly, Seismitoad checks Thundurus-T, but it needs to be played more carefully, since it doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and it can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force-boosted Iron Head (moved hyphen) before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Lastly, Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but it can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute versus Thundurus-T variants with no without Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can switch into any move Thundurus-T can use at least once, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal off with Recover, but it needs to fear Thunder paralysis. Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses as it take and heal away the damage with Recover, but it further takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heal away the damage with Recover, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem both can take one Focus Blast and can immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage or Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that doesn't use a Timid nature and threatens to KO it with an item-boosted Draco Meteor, (moved hyphen) but it needs to be wary of Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite both fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed or set up a Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to be wary of Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but it can only enter in front of through Hidden Power Ice, since it fears Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant under rain that isn't behind Substitute, but must be wary to not it can't switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T (RC) but can be used to finish it off once it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize in front of it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off or and Superpower.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Caetano93, 394051]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [We Three Kings, 246992]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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[Caetano93]

Ty a lot Finland , GP implemented.
"very peculiar? you should explain why it's so strange"
Maybe peculiar isn't the word here. It's just that even if Celebi is a good partner for the first set, its way more common to see it paired with the other ones. It's very rare to see a Celebi + SubsThundy in tours.

 

[Adeleine]

Ty a lot Finland , GP implemented.
"very peculiar? you should explain why it's so strange"
Maybe peculiar isn't the word here. It's just that even if Celebi is a good partner for the first set, its way more common to see it paired with the other ones. It's very rare to see a Celebi + SubsThundy in tours.

assuming mew part is what you meant

Celebi forms a very peculiar rare but still successful core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Even if not common, Mew is not a common sight in the tier, but it can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

 

[Caetano93]

assuming mew part is what you meant

Celebi forms a very peculiar rare but still successful core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Even if not common, Mew is not a common sight in the tier, but it can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

ty a lot ^^

 

[CryoGyro]

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[OVERVIEW]

With an insanely high Special Attack, (comma) stat alongside important Ground and Electric immunities, powerful attacks in Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. With powerful attacks in the form of Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T is one of the scariest threats of BW OU. Its flaws are its mediocre Speed stat for an offensive Pokemon, reliance on inaccurate moves, and need for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Substitute is used to ease prediction, as well as to eases prediction and blocks incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option, as Thundurus-T should be paired with rain, and its 30% paralysis chance is a potential death sentence for offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, and Celebi and 2HKOes Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last moveslot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility lets Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of a wallbreaker. Finally, Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow down its natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion.

Set Details
========
104 HP EVs alongside 144 Defense EVs are used to make sure that Ferrothorn's Power Whip and specially defensive Jirachi's Body Slam never break Thundurus-T's Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs make non-boosted unboosted Latios's Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs are used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B. Leftovers is used to mitigates damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage.

Usage Tips
========
Play aggressively with double switches to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, or Power Whip Ferrothorn to so it can safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, then bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximize its function as a wallbreaker, since there are almost no Pokemon in the tier that can stomach BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep scenario chance in the endgame. Use every possible opportunity to get chip damage on the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of breaking beating Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
========
Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, since it sets up rain to give Thunder perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support to amplify its role as wallbreaker or cleaner, so Ferrothorn, which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to help with Thundurus-T's wallbreaking. Tentacruel and Excadrill are also very good partners, as they provide Rapid Spin support, and Tentacruel also helps with Thundurus-T's Ice-type weakness and can take rain-boosted Water-type hits. Offensively, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking capacities to finish off weakened teams. Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help break through defensive cores with Choice Band sets, revenge kill opposing setup sweepers with priority moves, or finish off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and it can paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam while being an answer to Dragon-type answer for opposing Latias and Latios. Latias, similarly to Latios, can capitalize on Thundurus-T to finish off opposing teams opponents with a Choice Scarf set, or it can directly support Thundurus-T with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a rare but still successful core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Mew is not a common sight in the tier, but it can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon in the tier, (comma) allowing it to be and an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in rain, but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using this set on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice gives BoltBeam coverage and KOes Electric-immune Pokemon like Garchomp, Landorus-T, and opposing Thundurus-T. The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon is problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine.

Set Details
========
24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 104 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T survive powerful special hits like Draco Meteor from non-Choice Specs Latios, rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling it.

Usage Tips
========
Avoid taking unneeded damage with Thundurus-T, since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be swept or when you must remove a specific Pokemon, like Latios or Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T's teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent on good predictions to do its job. (some examples? the previous sentences don't really support this one)

Team Options
========
Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best partner, since it sets rain to allow give Thunder to have perfect accuracy alongside creating setup opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn are good partners as well, since they can also check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping opposing Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention, since it can use Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up an Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provide dual screens support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Espeon and Xatu can also provide dual screens support while reflecting entry hazards.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but, if using it in a sand or weatherless team, Thunderbolt is the best option on teams without rain. Hidden Power Ice is used to OHKO Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor while damaging Grass- and Dragon-types. Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain with Leftovers. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk a miss from missing Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine.

Set Details
========
24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 56 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios's Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature let it outspeed a max Speed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
========
Don't be afraid of using Thundurus-T early-game, since this set functions similarly to a SubsThundy as a wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team has a Gastrodon or Seismitoad, to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than usual, it can even grab surprise KOs versus max unexpectedly KO maximum Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T, and Tyranitar. Afterwards, Thundurus-T can steal offensive momentum or switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
========
Thundurus-T, ideally, is used in rain structures to give Thunder perfect accuracy, so a Politoed is its best partner. If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that love having opposing Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine. If using Focus Blast, use powerful Dragon-types that want Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence. Ferrothorn is a very good partner, since it can provide a Latios check alongside check Latios and provide entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which provides has awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T in via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Baton Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention, since it can capitalize on the Protect scout Thundurus-T provides Thundurus-T's Protect scouting to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well under in sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can profit from the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus, are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable, but it's difficult to get both boosts outside without a dedicated team to support this it. A Nasty Plot + 3 Attacks set is also a good option to turns Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker; however, it needs dedicated team support, since its mediocre bulk and Speed make it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help Thundurus-T's teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but, normally, Thundurus-T already normally does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a four attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the coverage of Focus Blast + Grass Knot in such a set. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavily damage Celebi, but it forces Thundurus-T to lose some defensive bulk by running a Hasty nature, or it risks not doing enough damage versus to defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, since almost all players expect Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break trhough defensive cores. However, once the surprise factor fades away, it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have many more important targets. Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand- and Stealth Rock-weak reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry are options to improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific matchups, but this is generally worse than just holding Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T's sweeping potential, but being sand-weak makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, or it can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to wallbreak with shaky Thunder accuracy as well as and effectively removing its Leftovers recovery. Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fears Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but it needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder's accuracy and supporting teammates like Cresselia, (comma) which shrugs that shrug off even neutral Electric-type hits because of their its massive bulk. Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it has mediocre defenses and can't switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast and play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but it doesn't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can wall Thundurus-T with Recover, but it must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Similarly, Seismitoad similarly checks Thundurus-T, but it needs to be played more carefully, since it doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and it can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force-boosted Iron Head before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Lastly, Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but it can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute versus on Thundurus-T variants without Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can switch into any move Thundurus-T can use at least once, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal off with Recover, but it needs to fear Thunder paralysis. Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses and heal away the damage with Recover, but it further takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem both can take one Focus Blast and immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage or and Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that doesn't use a Timid nature and threatens to KO it with an item-boosted Draco Meteor, but it needs to be wary of Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite both fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed or set up a Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to be wary of Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but it can only enter through switch into Hidden Power Ice, since it fears Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant under in rain that isn't behind Substitute, but it can't switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T but can be used to finish it off once it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize in front of on it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off and Superpower.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Caetano93, 394051]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [We Three Kings, 246992]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

 

[Caetano93]

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[OVERVIEW]

With an insanely high Special Attack, (comma) stat alongside important Ground and Electric immunities, powerful attacks in Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, Thundurus-T finds itself as one of the best assets for an offensive team. With powerful attacks in the form of Thunder, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot, and good utility moves in Agility, Nasty Plot, and U-turn, Thundurus-T is one of the scariest threats of BW OU. Its flaws are its mediocre Speed stat for an offensive Pokemon, reliance on inaccurate moves, and need for Rapid Spin support to relieve its Stealth Rock weakness.

[SET]
name: SubsThundy
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Agility / Nasty Plot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 104 HP / 144 Def / 48 SpA / 4 SpD / 208 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Substitute is used to ease prediction, as well as to eases prediction and blocks incoming status and Knock Off from Ferrothorn. Thunder is the best offensive option, as Thundurus-T should be paired with rain, and its 30% paralysis chance is a potential death sentence for offensive checks like Latios and Alakazam, but Thunderbolt can be safely used even outside of rain. Hidden Power Ice forms BoltBeam coverage and OHKOes Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor. It also damages Latios, Breloom, Amoonguss, and Celebi and 2HKOes Dragonite and opposing Thundurus-T. Focus Blast is the preferred move in the last moveslot to pressure Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B, but Agility lets Thundurus-T be a late-game cleaner instead of a wallbreaker. Finally, Nasty Plot can be used to turn Thundurus-T into the best balance breaker of the tier, allowing it to mow down its natural checks like Celebi and Gastrodon, but this removes some of its offensive pressure versus teams with fast and hard-hitting Pokemon like Alakazam and Terrakion.

Set Details
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104 HP EVs alongside 144 Defense EVs are used to make sure that Ferrothorn's Power Whip and specially defensive Jirachi's Body Slam never break Thundurus-T's Substitute in one hit. 4 Special Defense EVs make non-boosted unboosted Latios's Draco Meteor never OHKO Thundurus-T. 208 Speed EVs are used to outspeed Adamant Kyurem-B. Leftovers is used to mitigates damage taken from sand, Stealth Rock, and Substitute usage.

Usage Tips
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Play aggressively with double switches to bring Thundurus-T in front of a Pokemon it scares away like Landorus-T, Gliscor, Excadrill, or Power Whip Ferrothorn to so it can safely set up Substitute. If using Focus Blast, then bring in Thundurus-T as soon as possible to maximize its function as a wallbreaker, since there are almost no Pokemon in the tier that can stomach BoltBeam + Fighting-type coverage. If using Agility, try to keep Thundurus-T healthy during the match to have a better sweep scenario chance in the endgame. Use every possible opportunity to get chip damage on the opposing team, as the lack of Focus Blast makes the task of breaking beating Pokemon like Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Tyranitar much more difficult.

Team Options
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Politoed is Thundurus-T's best partner, since it sets up rain to give Thunder perfect accuracy. Politoed also offers Encore support to allow free Substitutes. Thundurus-T loves entry hazard support to amplify its role as wallbreaker or cleaner, so Ferrothorn, which can use both Stealth Rock and Spikes, is an amazing partner. Ferrothorn also provides Knock Off support to help with Thundurus-T's wallbreaking. Tentacruel and Excadrill are also very good partners, as they provide Rapid Spin support, and Tentacruel also helps with Thundurus-T's Ice-type weakness and can take rain-boosted Water-type hits. Offensively, Choice Specs or Choice Scarf Latios and Keldeo take advantage of Thundurus-T's wallbreaking capacities to finish off weakened teams. Dragonite and Mamoswine are also very strong offensive partners that can help break through defensive cores with Choice Band sets, revenge kill opposing setup sweepers with priority moves, or finish off weakened teams with their Substitute sets. Jirachi can offer Stealth Rock and Wish support, and it can paralyze Thundurus-T checks with Body Slam while being an answer to Dragon-type answer for opposing Latias and Latios. Latias, similarly to Latios, can capitalize on Thundurus-T to finish off opposing teams opponents with a Choice Scarf set, or it can directly support Thundurus-T with Thunder Wave or Healing Wish. Celebi forms a rare but still successful core, since it can remove Electric-immune Pokemon like Gastrodon and Seismitoad while supporting Thundurus-T with Stealth Rock or Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Mew is not a common sight in the tier, but it can also support Thundurus-T in hyper offense structures with dual screens or Baton Pass sets.

[SET]
name: AgilThundy
move 1: Agility
move 2: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Modest
evs: 24 HP / 228 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Agility makes Thundurus-T the fastest Pokemon in the tier, (comma) allowing it to be and an amazing late-game cleaner. Thunder is the best option in rain, but Thunderbolt is the ideal move if using this set on a sand or weatherless team. Hidden Power Ice gives BoltBeam coverage and KOes Electric-immune Pokemon like Garchomp, Landorus-T, and opposing Thundurus-T. The last move is team dependent; Focus Blast defeats Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem, while Grass Knot should be used if Gastrodon, Seismitoad, or Hippowdon is problematic. Both options deal with Tyranitar and Mamoswine.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 104 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T survive powerful special hits like Draco Meteor from non-Choice Specs Latios, rain-boosted Surf from Choice Specs Latios, and Hidden Power Ice from opposing Thundurus-T after Stealth Rock. 152 Speed EVs let it outspeed Adamant Excadrill to OHKO it with Focus Blast before it can use Rapid Spin. Leftovers negates sand damage so Thundurus-T can't be defeated by Protect stalling it.

Usage Tips
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Avoid taking unneeded damage with Thundurus-T, since it needs its HP to safely set up Agility. Use Thundurus-T as a hit-and-run Pokemon early-game to distribute damage while preserving its health. Only set up Agility when the opposing team is weakened enough to be swept or when you must remove a specific Pokemon, like Latios or Alakazam, to win with Thundurus-T's teammates. This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent on good predictions to do its job. (some examples? the previous sentences don't really support this one)

Team Options
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Even if this Thundurus-T prefers more offensive Pokemon as partners, Politoed still is its best partner, since it sets rain to allow give Thunder to have perfect accuracy alongside creating setup opportunities with Encore. Entry hazard setters like Jirachi and Ferrothorn are good partners as well, since they can also check Latios and other Psychic-types. Hard-hitting Pokemon like Latios, Keldeo, Starmie, Kyurem-B, and Mamoswine can weaken the opposing team to allow an Agility sweep. Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel, Excadrill, or Starmie is required as well. Pokemon that can safely bring Thundurus-T into play via U-turn or Baton Pass like Landorus-T, Scizor, Gliscor, Jirachi, and Celebi are good partners. Scizor also helps by Pursuit trapping opposing Psychic-types that can trouble Thundurus-T, like Alakazam. Celebi deserves a special mention, since it can use Baton Pass + Nasty Plot to basically end the game if Thundurus-T sets up an Agility as well. In hyper offense structures, fast Taunt and entry hazard users like Azelf, Terrakion, Mew, and Skarmory are the ideal partners. Mew and Azelf can also provide dual screens support for a better Agility sweep. Magic Bounce Espeon and Xatu can also provide dual screens support while reflecting entry hazards.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunder / Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Focus Blast / Grass Knot
move 4: Protect / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Timid
evs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 56 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
Thundurus-T is almost only used on rain teams, so Thunder is optimal, but, if using it in a sand or weatherless team, Thunderbolt is the best option on teams without rain. Hidden Power Ice is used to OHKO Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Gliscor while damaging Grass- and Dragon-types. Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Heatran, Kyurem-B, and Kyurem. Protect is used to scout Choice-locked Pokemon, like Latios, Keldeo, and Tyranitar, and to restore a bit of HP in rain with Leftovers. Grass Knot is used to destroy Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Hippowdon, and to not risk a miss from missing Focus Blast when facing Tyranitar or Mamoswine.

Set Details
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24 HP EVs optimize Leftovers recovery from residual damage, and, with 56 Special Defense EVs, let Thundurus-T never be OHKOed by Choice Scarf Latios's Draco Meteor. 176 Speed EVs with a Timid nature let it outspeed a max Speed Landorus-T.

Usage Tips
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Don't be afraid of using Thundurus-T early-game, since this set functions similarly to a SubsThundy as a wallbreaker. If using Grass Knot, do not reveal it early, especially if the opposing team has a Gastrodon or Seismitoad, to catch them off guard. Since this Thundurus-T is faster than usual, it can even grab surprise KOs versus max unexpectedly KO maximum Speed Landorus-T, Jolly Excadrill, and standard Tentacruel before they have a chance to set up entry hazards or use Rapid Spin. Use Protect to scout Choice-locked Pokemon like Latios, Landorus-T, and Tyranitar. Afterwards, Thundurus-T can steal offensive momentum or switch to an entry hazard setter.

Team Options
========
Thundurus-T, ideally, is used in rain structures to give Thunder perfect accuracy, so a Politoed is its best partner. If using Grass Knot, use Pokemon that love having opposing Gastrodon and Seismitoad removed, like Starmie, Keldeo, and Mamoswine. If using Focus Blast, use powerful Dragon-types that want Steel-type Pokemon gone, like Latios, Dragonite, and Salamence. Ferrothorn is a very good partner, since it can provide a Latios check alongside check Latios and provide entry hazard and Knock Off support. Rapid Spin from Tentacruel or Excadrill is always advised. Tentacruel can also set Toxic Spikes, which provides has awesome synergy with Protect. Pokemon that can bring Thundurus-T in via U-turn like Jirachi, Landorus-T, and Scizor, or via Baton Pass like Celebi, are also very good options. Choice Scarf Scizor deserves a special mention, since it can capitalize on the Protect scout Thundurus-T provides Thundurus-T's Protect scouting to effectively Pursuit trap Latios. Since this Thundurus-T also functions well under in sand, especially if using Focus Blast + Grass Knot, partners that can profit from the removal of bulky Ground-types, like Tyranitar, Heatran, Gliscor, Garchomp, Alakazam, and Reuniclus, are very good choices as well.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A double dance set with Nasty Plot + Agility is viable, but it's difficult to get both boosts outside without a dedicated team to support this it. A Nasty Plot + 3 Attacks set is also a good option to turns Thundurus-T into a fearsome balance breaker; however, it needs dedicated team support, since its mediocre bulk and Speed make it an easy target for revenge killers. Knock Off can be used alongside Substitute or Protect to help Thundurus-T's teammates by crippling defensive Pokemon, but, normally, Thundurus-T already normally does this by just using a more powerful move. Volt Switch is a possible move in a four attacks set, but Thundurus-T normally prefers the coverage of Focus Blast + Grass Knot in such a set. Similarly, U-turn can be used to act as an offensive pivot and to heavily damage Celebi, but it forces Thundurus-T to lose some defensive bulk by running a Hasty nature, or it risks not doing enough damage versus to defensive Celebi. Superpower can be used in a mixed set to have a perfect accuracy Fighting-type move that also threatens Chansey and Blissey, but the Defense drop alongside a Hasty nature makes Thundurus-T very weak to Pursuit. A Choice Scarf set can have interesting surprise effects, since almost all players expect Leftovers or a slower set from Thundurus-T, and it still is powerful enough to break trhough defensive cores. However, once the surprise factor fades away, it becomes a mediocre Pokemon because of the Stealth Rock weakness. Ice Gem can be used to OHKO opposing Thundurus-T and heavily damage Latios, but it doesn't have many more important targets. Similarly, Expert Belt can be used to improve Thundrus-T's damage output, but being sand- and Stealth Rock-weak reduces a lot of its utility during the game. Yache Berry and Lum Berry are options to improve Thundurus-T's utility in very specific matchups, but this is generally worse than just holding Leftovers. Finally, Salac Berry and Petaya Berry can be used alongside Substitute + Nasty Plot or Substitute + Agility, respectively, to drastically improve Thundurus-T's sweeping potential, but being sand-weak makes this a fringe strategy.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Weather Inducers**: Tyranitar can take at least one Focus Blast if using Chople Berry, or it can surprise KO Thundurus-T with Stone Edge if using a Choice Scarf set. Tyranitar also sets up sand, making it more difficult for Thundurus-T to wallbreak with shaky Thunder accuracy as well as and effectively removing its Leftovers recovery. Hippowdon can also set up sand and only fears Grass Knot if using a specially defensive set, but it needs to be wary of a 2HKO from Hidden Power Ice if using a physically defensive set. Ninetales sets up sun, drastically dropping Thunder's accuracy and supporting teammates like Cresselia, (comma) which shrugs that shrug off even neutral Electric-type hits because of their its massive bulk. Abomasnow sets up hail and can threaten to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard, but it has mediocre defenses and can't switch directly into Focus Blast.

**Grass-types**: Specially defensive Celebi takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, heals away the damage with Recover, and can use Thundurus-T to set up Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot, or Swords Dance. Amoonguss can pivot around Thunder and Focus Blast and play mind games with Sludge Bomb + Stun Spore, but it doesn't like to take Hidden Power Ice, especially if it got damaged by entry hazards. Ferrothorn can check Thundurus-T sets that don't have Focus Blast and can break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Gyro Ball.

**Ground-types**: Gastrodon can wall Thundurus-T with Recover, but it must fear an OHKO from Grass Knot. Similarly, Seismitoad similarly checks Thundurus-T, but it needs to be played more carefully, since it doesn't have reliable recovery. Excadrill can be used to pivot around Thunder and Hidden Power Ice, and it can clear entry hazards or break Thundurus-T's Substitute with Sand Force-boosted Iron Head before being KOed by Focus Blast if using a Jolly nature. Lastly, Mamoswine can't directly switch into any move outside of Thunder or Hidden Power Ice, but it can be used to finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Ice Shard. Mamoswine can also safely set up Substitute versus on Thundurus-T variants without Focus Blast or Grass Knot.

**Dragon-types**: Latios can switch into any move Thundurus-T can use at least once, scare it away with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse, and heal off with Recover, but it needs to fear Thunder paralysis. Similarly, Latias can take every move Thundurus-T uses and heal away the damage with Recover, but it further takes little damage from Hidden Power Ice, can set up Calm Mind, and can shrug off Thunder paralysis with Refresh. Kyurem-B and Kyurem both can take one Focus Blast and immediately KO Thundurus-T with Outrage or and Ice Beam, respectively. Hydreigon outspeeds any Thundurus-T set that doesn't use a Timid nature and threatens to KO it with an item-boosted Draco Meteor, but it needs to be wary of Focus Blast. Garchomp and Dragonite both fear Hidden Power Ice if they are not using a Yache Berry, but Garchomp outspeeds Thundurus-T and can be used to revenge kill it, while Dragonite can finish off a weakened Thundurus-T with Extreme Speed or set up a Dragon Dance if Multiscale is intact. However, Dragonite needs to be wary of Thunder paralysis.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Terrakion outspeeds Thundurus-T and threatens an immediate OHKO with Stone Edge, but it can only enter through switch into Hidden Power Ice, since it fears Thunder paralysis or a KO from Focus Blast. Keldeo can KO any Thundurus-T variant under in rain that isn't behind Substitute, but it can't switch into an Electric-type move. Alakazam can't switch directly into Thundurus-T but can be used to finish it off once it's weakened. Alakazam can also use Encore to force Thundurus-T into an undesired move so a teammate can finish it off or capitalize in front of on it.

**Chansey and Blissey**: Chansey and Blissey take virtually nothing from any move that Thundurus-T has and can retaliate with Toxic or Seismic Toss. However, they must watch out for Nasty Plot sets and the rare Knock Off and Superpower.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Caetano93, 394051]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [We Three Kings, 246992]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

GP added. About your comment:
"This set works better in the hands of an aggressive player, since it's heavily dependent on good predictions, like double switches, to do its job."

This work? I'm updating the GP after this is solved.

 

[CryoGyro]

sure