Tormenting Spirits

[Illusio]

approved by Eevee General and Joim

Tormenting Spirits

(Yes, I know this is the image of Shadow Sneak, it just fit the name so well)

For those who don't know, Torment is a move that doesn't allow the target to select the same move twice in a row. Unfortunately, this only lasts for 5 turns, and isn't used that often. What this meta is here for is to change all that. Now, there is a permanent Torment effect that occurs on every Pokemon when they enter the field.

This meta follows all OU clauses.

Bans:
Ubers
Encore
Aroma Veil
Mental Herb
Trick/Switcheroo + Choice items

Major changes:
Goodbye, choice items
Setting up multiple times just became a lot harder
Sweepers are forced to alternate between moves

Currently not coded or playable on any server. :(​

 

[Yayz]

Protect seems like a good move in this meta, trolling other Pokes so their best move can't be used against you, resetting your own best attack, and just general trolling.

Substitute and other set-up moves are also quite helpful. Another cool thing is that prediction will be slightly easier, as they can't possibly use the last move they just used, allowing for better switches.

 

[canno]

VolTurn could be fun, as Volt Switch and U-Turn are rarely affected by Torment. Same goes for the other momentum moves (Baton Pass and Parting Shot).

 

[Throbulator36]

An interesting thing to note is azu when used would always run a set similar to:

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Belly Drum
Aqua Jet
Play Rough/Waterfall
Protect

 

[Ununhexium]

Should we name all of our Pokemon jukain

 

[jackm]

Wish+Protect users will be good, especially if they also have Volt-turn (looking at you, Jirachi)

 

[Hack_Guy]

So basically, this meta seems to be very dynamic as people would have to keep switching out and stuff

Also, wish Pokemon seem hilarious for stall

 

[DinaIsha]

This is like giving Regenerator cores a good field time (Better with things like Alo who can burn as well). Offense has no scope.

Also, Protect + Disable + 2 Moves Gengar New Meta?

 

[FlameUser64]

RIP Fury Cutter, Echoed Voice, Rollout, Ice Ball, Thrash, Uproar, Petal Dance, and Outrage.

 

[Hack_Guy]

I'm assuming that the only form of offense in this meta would be Pokemon with massive coverage options like greninja and nidoking. Choice users get lol'd at as well

 

[Yayz]

I just noticed that Trick isn't banned. This makes it a huge threat to any Pokemon in the game, except for Megas, of course. Running at least one would be very important for any team.

 

[Hack_Guy]

So rotom can be an even bigger troll and trick a choice scarf onto things before volt switching out o.O gg meta

 

[MZ]

Stall seems like it's gonna be really OP in this, better run at least three sub disable mons on every offense team.

 

[Tarontos]

How about gothitell trap trick watch as it struggles to death trick back turn before death rinse and repeat. On the bright side stick hold/klutz may be usefull.

 

[DinaIsha]

How about gothitell trap trick watch as it struggles to death trick back turn before death rinse and repeat

Man, that's like poetry.

 

[Illusio]

RIP Fury Cutter, Echoed Voice, Rollout, Ice Ball, Thrash, Uproar, Petal Dance, and Outrage.

Multi-turn moves aren't effected by Torment in-game, so they aren't effected in this meta either.

 

[Da Pizza Man]

Trick and Switcheroo + Choice Item needs to be a clause, it effectively can neuter any non mega and with pokemon like Gothitelle and Klefki with access to it its just way to powerful

 

[Hack_Guy]

I completely agree with The Pizza Man
Choice item trick can become really centralizing if it isn't banned quickly

 

[Illusio]

Alright. Because of the above two posts, I am complexbanning Trick/Switcheroo+Choice items. Feel free to discuss this change.

 

[NyneTiNyne]

Maybe just ban Choice items? So mons can still switch items like flame orb/toxic orb with Trick. Choice items wouldn't be used anyway outside of tricking.

 

[Hack_Guy]

A ban on choice items does seem more logical. There's no real need to enforce a complex ban in that case.

 

[Yayz]

Choice items could have a tiny niche in U-turn or Volt Switch abuse. I know Smogon dislikes complex bans, but I really see no reason not to just keep it as is.

 

[Da Pizza Man]

Maybe just ban Choice items? So mons can still switch items like flame orb/toxic orb with Trick. Choice items wouldn't be used anyway outside of tricking.

Trick can still be used, just not with Choice Items. Personally I don't really think we should just ban choice items, they might be used outside of trick for Volt Turn

 

[Snaquaza]

Make sure that if you ban Trick, you ban Switcheroo as well. I know that Trick has wider distribution but it's still equally annoying.
On this matter, I agree there should be a complex ban. Without any other choice item a Choice Scarf could be decent for a revenge killing hit and run style.

 

[26DUDE26]

choice banded slaking/another item slaking looks pretty good because it laughs at torment cause of truant