NOC Tracker Jailer Follower - Game Thread - Day 4!

[Celever]

You can’t make something subjective objective by just claiming it’s objective

Either case me as scum or change your strategy because right now you’re just using it not being your opinion as an excuse for voting me without actually scumreading me, and it’s not fooling anyone evidently

 

[Peum]

But in your opinion I’m prob not scum

When have I said that

But you’re not voting DBD or Miyami because in your opinion that scenario is unlikelier than the scenario I’m a part of

yes

What benefit are you getting from factoring in your opinion for the scenario but then stopping thinking and not voting who you think is scum?

I've quoted the post explaining this 2 times, and my own readlist only has neon as lean town lol

Both are critiques. Peum’s own logic says he should vote you or Miyami. Sorry that you’re put out by that logic, I think Peum’s logic is faulty in the first place and that’s what I was tryna point out

no never said that

 

[Peum]

yeah and that's fair, if Peum does flip red it will up genisu's scum probability quite a bit for me

so you're saying that you believe that genisu is scum, how is this different of what phoopes accused me of in #443

 

[Peum]

and why did phoopes not say anything about that

 

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 2.4
https://countingdownto.com/?c=6801048

With 11 alive, its takes 6 to hammer.

genisu (3): Dead by Daylight, phoopes, jalmont
Dead by Daylight (2): genisu, ImaginaryNeon
Celever (2): Peum, pulsar512b
peum (1): Celever

Not voting (3): Shypebble, joey, Miyami~~~

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Scenario 1, where me and Miyami are the solve, is what Peum finds unlikely

Scenario 2, which Peum finds likelier, has Cele/Pulsar/Phoopes as the main PoE with me/Jal/genisu as the secondary PoE

Scenario 3 just has the low-activity players and Neon in the PoE

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Cele is reading this in incredibly poor faith

 

[Celever]

To the second question, the problem with voting Genisu or Pulsar is that we cannot point out in which scenario we are by voting them out, voting Pulsar would mean that we're in either Scenario 1 or Scenario 2, which doesnt help us. And Genisu has a lot of scumposting, but its not the most suspect member of any scenario, Celever actually has the most suspicions out of anyone in Scenario 2, while being townleaned in every other scenario. (To put in context, DBD would be the most sus out of scenario 1 and any afk would be the most in the Scenario 3). So by what I said, I would have to vote Celever

Ok tbh I’m sure I saw you townread me somewhere but on phone on train with me having to go soon I didn’t immediately see it so whatever, someone else can dig

This is still the logic you’re using and you can still substitute phoopes instead of Celever into this paragraph and it will make precisely as much sense as with Celever in there though

This is the biggest flaw in your theory

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Peum You believe Scenario 2 is likeliest, correct? Just to confirm

 

[Celever]

so you're saying that you believe that genisu is scum, how is this different of what phoopes accused me of in #443

No I’m not, I’m saying that if you are scum then genisu becomes likelier to be scum. Until that’s proven, I think genisu is town, and I will still prefer to look at other people who could be partnered with you after you flip before looking at genisu tbh

 

[Celever]

When have I said that

Oh right partly why I’m perceiving that is because you’ve put me (and phoopes) as town in 2/3 worlds. More than anyone else.

The logical conclusion of this is that we are above rand town. You either have to be 100% correct about the world we’re in, or you’re voting out town, by your own logic

On Day 2 taking that risk is just short sighted, especially because, once again, phoopes might be scum right! I’m town, phoopes still might be scum. When I flip town it tells you literally nothing about phoopes’ slot.

Are you gonna townread phoopes if I flip town? Is that the aim?

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Literally an insane reading of the situation are you good mate

I was critiquing Peum’s theory. I also pointed out that phoopes and myself are equal votes as a hole in the theory I wasn’t just talking about how he should vote you instead

Both are critiques. Peum’s own logic says he should vote you or Miyami. Sorry that you’re put out by that logic, I think Peum’s logic is faulty in the first place and that’s what I was tryna point out

I don’t care if you’re voted out or not I’m not even voting you lol

You and phoopes being potentially equal votes is not a flaw in the theory what

Peum’s logic doesn’t say this, because it says the scenarios where I am not implicated are more likely on average to have happened than the 1 scenario where I would be directly guilty

 

[Peum]

Peum You believe Scenario 2 is likeliest, correct? Just to confirm

Yes, that's why I voted for celever. As I explained in the post, Scenario's 2 philosophy is Mafia trying to get towncred after getting a disastrous day 1, in which Celever, Pulsar and Phoopes are highlighted for having the most different day 1 to day 2 posting, Celever went from going to 1 page of posts to 4 pages of posts at the time I was writing that, and phoopes only went slightly more active but not as much as Celever, in which I specifically say in Scenario 2.

Ok tbh I’m sure I saw you townread me somewhere but on phone on train with me having to go soon I didn’t immediately see it so whatever, someone else can dig

This is still the logic you’re using and you can still substitute phoopes instead of Celever into this paragraph and it will make precisely as much sense as with Celever in there though

This is the biggest flaw in your theory

So why would I vote phoopes instead of you.

 

[Celever]

Also having reread the theory post again I do have to point out that your reason for lauding me as the MVP member of scum in scenario 1 is that my activity levels are for gameplay reasons

Which is poor faith bc I always make a point of stating why I was afk if I was, or will be afk if I will be

I’ve done that this game too afair so no, my activity levels so far haven’t been determined by any kind of gameplay reason. You’d have to be accusing me of lying about irl to think this is part of the plan you’re claiming I’m executing, and anyone can tell you I don’t lie about irl in mafia

 

[Celever]

So why would I vote phoopes instead of you.

You shouldn’t, you should vote for neither of us because your theory doesn’t justify voting for either of us. Us being equal in the outcome of being voted for is why your theory doesn’t justify voting for either of us.

It might be different if you were planning to vote me today and phoopes tomorrow but you’re openly not doing that so

 

[Celever]

Also having reread the theory post again I do have to point out that your reason for lauding me as the MVP member of scum in scenario 1 is that my activity levels are for gameplay reasons

Which is poor faith bc I always make a point of stating why I was afk if I was, or will be afk if I will be

I’ve done that this game too afair so no, my activity levels so far haven’t been determined by any kind of gameplay reason. You’d have to be accusing me of lying about irl to think this is part of the plan you’re claiming I’m executing, and anyone can tell you I don’t lie about irl in mafia

Scenario 2*

 

[Celever]

Also having reread the theory post again I do have to point out that your reason for lauding me as the MVP member of scum in scenario 1 is that my activity levels are for gameplay reasons

Which is poor faith bc I always make a point of stating why I was afk if I was, or will be afk if I will be

I’ve done that this game too afair so no, my activity levels so far haven’t been determined by any kind of gameplay reason. You’d have to be accusing me of lying about irl to think this is part of the plan you’re claiming I’m executing, and anyone can tell you I don’t lie about irl in mafia

I also make a point of not using activity tells against other people (micro like not using your vote maybe, but that’s the extent of it and is different to activity tells cos you can be active and not vote)

So for meta reasons your theory is even more flawed but wcyd

 

[Celever]

I already understand I’m waking up tomorrow having been voted out and I will be salty about it

This is a criminally poor town performance that anyone is going with this theory tbh

 

[Celever]

DBD’s just OMGUSing, at least one probtown in pulsar was somehow convinced by Peum’s flawed theory, it is what it is y’know

 

[Dead by Daylight]

if you want to claim I’m OMGUSing while ignoring the blatant holes in your argument be my guest, just make sure the weed wears off next time

 

[Dead by Daylight]

also neither of us are voting for one another so

 

[Celever]

if you want to claim I’m OMGUSing while ignoring the blatant holes in your argument be my guest, just make sure the weed wears off next time

I’m sober so good try but y’know

I don’t post stoned unless it’s urgent lol

You are OMGUSing though, you’re claiming to in this post. Like voting for me because of the holes in my argument that you’re scum is… it’s OMGUS mate

 

[Celever]

also neither of us are voting for one another so

Are you not who are you voting lol

Let’s be besties

 

[Dead by Daylight]

Are you not who are you voting lol

Let’s be besties

I’m on genisu chief, still hasn’t explained his vote on me d1 and is actively dodging the question

 

[Dead by Daylight]

I’m sober so good try but y’know

I don’t post stoned unless it’s urgent lol

You are OMGUSing though, you’re claiming to in this post. Like voting for me because of the holes in my argument that you’re scum is… it’s OMGUS mate

OMGUS carries the connotation of voting for no reason beyond the fact that you are pushing me, which isn’t what I’m doing