Jorgen
World's Strongest Fairy
There's only so much you can do with a GSC Ubers team. There's at least 3 mandatory Pokemon, as many as 5 depending on who you talk to, after all. So a single "standard Ubers team" is most likely a thing that exists. However, I often end up getting stuck on what to use for those last few Pokemon slots, and some Pokemon, such as Ho-oh and Mewtwo, I can't really seem to decide on what the best set should be (the former I struggle with because Sacred Fire is the main reason to use it and nothing else really seems appealing, the latter because it has classic 4mss).
So, Imma post what I think seems like a good candidate for the "standard" GSC Ubers team and see what y'all think.
Mewtwo @ Leftovers
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
- Selfdestruct
- Psychic
Mewtwo has classic 4mss. I opted for a set with Fire Blast because I know how annoying Steelix can be for an Ubers team. I need Thunder to, if nothing else, make Lugia a little uncomfortable about switching/staying in, plus it can paralyze other Mew(two) which is nice. SelfDestruct lets me outspeed and take out any weakened thing I want, and since Mewtwo is one of the few thing in Ubers that can actually kill stuff, it's pretty necessary. Psychic is what remains to try to hit whatever I can manage hard. It's more accurate (albeit a bit weaker) than Submission for Snorlax, it hits both Zapdos and Raikou for 3HKOs, and from what I've seen Umbreon and Tyranitar are pretty rare. I've thought about using Recover, Curse, Submission/Dpunch, and Ice Beam, too, but those sets all have their shortcomings, too. The set I've picked looks to me like it's best able to handle the common things of GSC Ubers.
Lugia @ Leftovers
- Aeroblast
- Curse
- Whirlwind
- Recover
It's Lugia, the main reason Snorlax is kind of mediocre in Ubers and the main thing keeping most standard OUs out of Ubers contention. This thing never dies. The set is pretty self-explanatory, in the endgame it can pretty easily set up a bunch of Curses and go crazy. Aeroblast is necessary for the power, both with Curses and without, even if the PP is shit. Just don't attack unless you need to hammer on a Mew or something or unless you've hit +6. I've considered lowering Speed EVs to outslow Steelix after a Curse, but Steelix can easily win the Speed anti-creep war and I lose out on outspeeding Mew before a Curse and Snorlax after a Curse.
Mew @ Leftovers
- Submission
- Shadow Ball
- Swords Dance
- Explosion
Ubers' ultimate wallbreaker. SD up, smash things if the opponent is careless, and go boom on something your attacks can't quite smash. I use Shadow Ball over Rock Slide because I'd rather hit Celebi/Other Mew/Mewtwo and bait Zapdos into the Explosion than the other way around; Celebi is not a threat at all, whereas the others aren't really defensive and it'd suck to be forced to boom on them "defensively". I used to think Exploding on Zapdos wasn't ideal because it wasn't "true uber", but after playing against it a few times and getting my balls rocked I'm totally fine with getting it out of the way. Zapdos being gone also makes the endgame much easier for Lugia.
Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
- Double-Edge
- Curse
- Lovely Kiss
- Selfdestruct
Mono-normal Lax struggles to get by Steelix, but can give fits to anything else. Curse lets Snorlax force the opponent into making plays, since Double-Edge doesn't do enough to most things without the boost (and Mew can easily set up and smash with +2 Submissions without the defense boosts). LK is the main reason to use Lax imo, as it's the only truly viable sleeper in Ubers. Finally, SelfDestruct lets me take out a wall after Steelix is gone, which admittedly might be a tall order from an Ubers team with no Spikes support. At the very least, Lax can put that sonuvabitch to sleep so that Lugia doesn't get immediately phazed when it starts to Curse.
Celebi @ Leftovers
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Heal Bell
I don't really like Celebi in Ubers, it can't really do anything but Heal Bell. However, Heal Bell is almost mandatory with this team as it has no Sleep Talkers and LK, burn, and para are everywhere. Furthermore, this thing can actually stand up to Zapdos and the PsychoCats, so it's better than Miltank imo. Heal Bell is the reason I use this, and Leech Seed + Recover let it try to stall certain things. Toxic is there to make it not totally useless against threats that try to capitalize on it; that residual damage can be handy, especially for wasting an opposing Celebi's Heal Bells if it comes to that. I've waffled with Perish Song in Toxic's or Leech Seed's slot, but the 8PP sounds awful, losing Toxic means I can do literally nothing to anything that switches in (Seed doesn't do anything until the turn after, very easy to stall without being punished), and losing Leech Seed makes me lose my stalling ability and any way to get residual damage on Steels/already-poisoned foes. I guess I could try Zapdos in this slot, but I feel safer being able to get rid of Burn/Para on the other guys than just have something to switch into potential burns/para, even if the bump in offensive momentum is notable.
Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
- Iron Tail
- Curse
- Explosion
- Roar
I've played against Steelix before. It's a pain. It's mandatory, imo, if you want to live against Explosion-based teams (which this team is). It's also immune to Electric, so fuck you Zapdos! Anyway, the set is pretty basic. Roar to let it check Lugias, Curse to let it threaten things, Iron Tail because it's a far better STAB than EQ with Lugia/Ho-oh/Zapdos/Skarmory/Celebi all over the place (even if EQ is more accurate and able to hit other Steelix), and Explosion to let it *actually* murder things with its Curse boosts (Iron Tail ain't usually doing the job, sorry). I might consider using EQ over Iron Tail to keep other Steelix from walling me, especially since Steelix on offense is usually just looking to explode on something. At the same time, though, being forced to Explode on Zapdos or Lugia at +6 doesn't sound all that cool.
Any thoughts on what Pokemon/moves would be better for the "standard" Ubers team?
So, Imma post what I think seems like a good candidate for the "standard" GSC Ubers team and see what y'all think.
Mewtwo @ Leftovers
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
- Selfdestruct
- Psychic
Mewtwo has classic 4mss. I opted for a set with Fire Blast because I know how annoying Steelix can be for an Ubers team. I need Thunder to, if nothing else, make Lugia a little uncomfortable about switching/staying in, plus it can paralyze other Mew(two) which is nice. SelfDestruct lets me outspeed and take out any weakened thing I want, and since Mewtwo is one of the few thing in Ubers that can actually kill stuff, it's pretty necessary. Psychic is what remains to try to hit whatever I can manage hard. It's more accurate (albeit a bit weaker) than Submission for Snorlax, it hits both Zapdos and Raikou for 3HKOs, and from what I've seen Umbreon and Tyranitar are pretty rare. I've thought about using Recover, Curse, Submission/Dpunch, and Ice Beam, too, but those sets all have their shortcomings, too. The set I've picked looks to me like it's best able to handle the common things of GSC Ubers.
Lugia @ Leftovers
- Aeroblast
- Curse
- Whirlwind
- Recover
It's Lugia, the main reason Snorlax is kind of mediocre in Ubers and the main thing keeping most standard OUs out of Ubers contention. This thing never dies. The set is pretty self-explanatory, in the endgame it can pretty easily set up a bunch of Curses and go crazy. Aeroblast is necessary for the power, both with Curses and without, even if the PP is shit. Just don't attack unless you need to hammer on a Mew or something or unless you've hit +6. I've considered lowering Speed EVs to outslow Steelix after a Curse, but Steelix can easily win the Speed anti-creep war and I lose out on outspeeding Mew before a Curse and Snorlax after a Curse.
Mew @ Leftovers
- Submission
- Shadow Ball
- Swords Dance
- Explosion
Ubers' ultimate wallbreaker. SD up, smash things if the opponent is careless, and go boom on something your attacks can't quite smash. I use Shadow Ball over Rock Slide because I'd rather hit Celebi/Other Mew/Mewtwo and bait Zapdos into the Explosion than the other way around; Celebi is not a threat at all, whereas the others aren't really defensive and it'd suck to be forced to boom on them "defensively". I used to think Exploding on Zapdos wasn't ideal because it wasn't "true uber", but after playing against it a few times and getting my balls rocked I'm totally fine with getting it out of the way. Zapdos being gone also makes the endgame much easier for Lugia.
Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
- Double-Edge
- Curse
- Lovely Kiss
- Selfdestruct
Mono-normal Lax struggles to get by Steelix, but can give fits to anything else. Curse lets Snorlax force the opponent into making plays, since Double-Edge doesn't do enough to most things without the boost (and Mew can easily set up and smash with +2 Submissions without the defense boosts). LK is the main reason to use Lax imo, as it's the only truly viable sleeper in Ubers. Finally, SelfDestruct lets me take out a wall after Steelix is gone, which admittedly might be a tall order from an Ubers team with no Spikes support. At the very least, Lax can put that sonuvabitch to sleep so that Lugia doesn't get immediately phazed when it starts to Curse.
Celebi @ Leftovers
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Heal Bell
I don't really like Celebi in Ubers, it can't really do anything but Heal Bell. However, Heal Bell is almost mandatory with this team as it has no Sleep Talkers and LK, burn, and para are everywhere. Furthermore, this thing can actually stand up to Zapdos and the PsychoCats, so it's better than Miltank imo. Heal Bell is the reason I use this, and Leech Seed + Recover let it try to stall certain things. Toxic is there to make it not totally useless against threats that try to capitalize on it; that residual damage can be handy, especially for wasting an opposing Celebi's Heal Bells if it comes to that. I've waffled with Perish Song in Toxic's or Leech Seed's slot, but the 8PP sounds awful, losing Toxic means I can do literally nothing to anything that switches in (Seed doesn't do anything until the turn after, very easy to stall without being punished), and losing Leech Seed makes me lose my stalling ability and any way to get residual damage on Steels/already-poisoned foes. I guess I could try Zapdos in this slot, but I feel safer being able to get rid of Burn/Para on the other guys than just have something to switch into potential burns/para, even if the bump in offensive momentum is notable.
Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
- Iron Tail
- Curse
- Explosion
- Roar
I've played against Steelix before. It's a pain. It's mandatory, imo, if you want to live against Explosion-based teams (which this team is). It's also immune to Electric, so fuck you Zapdos! Anyway, the set is pretty basic. Roar to let it check Lugias, Curse to let it threaten things, Iron Tail because it's a far better STAB than EQ with Lugia/Ho-oh/Zapdos/Skarmory/Celebi all over the place (even if EQ is more accurate and able to hit other Steelix), and Explosion to let it *actually* murder things with its Curse boosts (Iron Tail ain't usually doing the job, sorry). I might consider using EQ over Iron Tail to keep other Steelix from walling me, especially since Steelix on offense is usually just looking to explode on something. At the same time, though, being forced to Explode on Zapdos or Lugia at +6 doesn't sound all that cool.
Any thoughts on what Pokemon/moves would be better for the "standard" Ubers team?