Trying to Circumvent Sleep Clause

Doctor Heartbreak

So I was thinking - if you're playing with freeze clause, and Ice Beam freezes an opponent, you can still keep on using Ice Beam even though there's a chance you'll freeze another Pokemon. A small chance, but still a chance.


So if you have a
Breloom
Spore
Rest
Sleep Talk
Stone Edge/Whatever

Can you Spore one Pokemon, then Rest and use Sleep Talk to have a 33% chance of Sporing another? It's still not a huge chance, but
it's bigger than the 10% from the Ice Beam example above.

So, is this legal? It comes down to the throw of the dice, like an Ice Beam freeze. But if the chance is significantly higher, does this violate any clause?

In the Uber environment, Darkrai can learn Hypnosis and Dark Void, so it can put this to far better use, especially with a Wide Lens. It has a 50+% chance of causing sleep with Sleep Talk.

I realize that this isn't the best use of Breloom or Darkrai, or anything else, but to cripple two or more of your opponent's Pokemon with sleep is probably worth looking into. If there's a way it can be made to work, it should at least be explored, right?
 
UH NO. Because Spore/Hypnosis whatever will NEVER HIT if Sleep Clause is already in affect, unless you're playing WiFi, which no one would probably ever play with you if they knew you were randomly sleeping shit around.
 
The only time Sleep Clause is actually enforced by the games, as in makes sleep moves fail, is in Battle Revolution, and I'm assuming stuff like Shoddy does too. Same for freeze clause.

Hey, I know! Let's all use Metronome in double battles in the off chance it pulls up Dark Void! lol
 
On Wi-Fi you could just use Spore directly. If Freeze clause is in effect, you either instantly lose if you Freeze multiple Pokemon or you simply cannot Freeze the second Pokemon. What you are saying seems to imply that you think you just can't use a 100% Freeze move. Think about this for a second. The only way to Freeze in a competitive battle is with a 10% move. What would be the point of Freeze clause under your model?
 
I word sleep clause like this -
You may not put more than one of your opponent’s pokemon to sleep at a time unless the event which does so was an event you had no control over (e.g. The ability Effect Spore when one of your opponent’s pokemon is already asleep via your actions.) or unless your only other option in the battle is to concede.

So for example -
Something is asleep for any reason: Can't use a move which can put the enemy asleep.
Breloom w. Effect Spore is out, an opponent's reserve pokemon is already asleep via your actions: You don't lose if Effect Spore puts another to sleep because you had no control over it.
Metronome chooses Hypnosis when an opponent's pokemon is already asleep via your actions: Again, you don't lose.
You are down to your last pokemon, which uses Hypnosis. You miss, and the your opponent uses Encore. You put your opponent to sleep, the next turn he switched and your Encore continues, putting the new pokemon to sleep. You don't lose because you had no control over it.

As far as I know there aren't any weird cases this has issues dealing with, and it seems to cover those which a more basic definition missed. Serves pretty well in my experience.


If we think about Metronome vs. Sleep Talk + Spore it technically just comes down to probabilities of the effect occurring, but Metronome is more reasonable in my opinion so I let it fly if I get slept by it.
 
Sleep Talk + Psycho Shift is basically unusable for the same reason as this: you are planning this so that you have a high probability of breaking sleep clause.

It is not comparable to the examples celestial_okami posted, because you have control over it when giving your Pokemon its moves.
 
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