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VenomInjection

Im sorry if i posted this in the wrong place but im trying to make a team based on Blastoise and Torrterra and Torkoal yes i know there not the best pokemon but i know there my favorites. and i wanted to know pokemon that support them and counter there counters. and anyways to make there movesets better or ways to help each other my movesets for these pokemon are

Blastoise@Leftovers
252 SpA/252 hp/ 4 hp
Brave

-Earthquake
-Rapid spin
-Surf
-Ice Beam

Torterra@Liechi Berry
252 atk/ 176 spe/ 76 def
Adament
-Rock Polish
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Wood Hammer

Torkoal @ Leftovers
Trait: White Smoke
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Atk / 188 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Explosion
- Gyro Ball
- Fire Blast

Ive been thinking that since all of the turtles are pretty slow what about a TR team?
 
I'm not sure a mixed set is the best way to go with a Blastoise. His Atk and Sp Atk are only barely above average, while his defenses are much more impressive.

If you still want to try it, though, you might want to boost his HP instead of his speed, and try to make use of those defenses. Ignoring speed also means you can use Brave or Quiet to improve his offense.
 
i think that with no evs in speed, terra will max out at 168, putting him at a sweet 336 speed stat after the polish. which allows him to outspeed all max speed 102's and below. notable OU pokes who outspeed him still, however, are infernape, starmie, weavile, gengar and azelf. others that will pose a threat to him are raikou, scyther, rapidash, floatzel, swellow, and aerodactyl, all of whom commonly carry either an ice, flying, or fire attack and outspeed after the RP. id recommend adding some speed evs. if you max out, after the RP, you will hit 464, which will outspeed ninjask by 4 points. the next notable speed barriers are scarfcross at 405, weavile/swellow, at 383, and then starmie/raikou/azelf/floatzel at 361.
and dragon shinobi is right, woodhammer + sub is suicide without leech seed or wish support.
 
kusaninja said:
i think that with no evs in speed, terra will max out at 168, putting him at a sweet 336 speed stat after the polish. which allows him to outspeed all max speed 102's and below. notable OU pokes who outspeed him still, however, are infernape, starmie, weavile, gengar and azelf. others that will pose a threat to him are raikou, scyther, rapidash, floatzel, swellow, and aerodactyl, all of whom commonly carry either an ice, flying, or fire attack and outspeed after the RP. id recommend adding some speed evs. if you max out, after the RP, you will hit 464, which will outspeed ninjask by 4 points. the next notable speed barriers are scarfcross at 405, weavile/swellow, at 383, and then starmie/raikou/azelf/floatzel at 361.
and dragon shinobi is right, woodhammer + sub is suicide without leech seed or wish support.
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anything else besides the speed ev's things? also thanks for pointing that out i didnt know speed was somthing torteraa needed i will give
 
CactuarJoe said:
I'm not sure a mixed set is the best way to go with a Blastoise. His Atk and Sp Atk are only barely above average, while his defenses are much more impressive.

If you still want to try it, though, you might want to boost his HP instead of his speed, and try to make use of those defenses. Ignoring speed also means you can use Brave or Quiet to improve his offense.
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doesnt he need some speed though?
 
probably, cuz otherwise hes outsped by way to much. id just aim for above the 115 mark cuz weavile wont like taking hits off of terra's 109 atk, and swellow resists/immune to both attacks unless you replace EQ with SE
, so just aim for a couple points above 362. 72 evs put you at 182, so after a RP, you have 364, outspeeding all max speed 115s.
 
kusaninja said:
probably, cuz otherwise hes outsped by way to much. id just aim for above the 115 mark cuz weavile wont like taking hits off of terra's 109 atk, and swellow resists/immune to both attacks unless you replace EQ with SE
, so just aim for a couple points above 362. 72 evs put you at 182, so after a RP, you have 364, outspeeding all max speed 115s.
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i put in 116 and added the others to def
 
*Bump* i only have 20 minutes on the computer and i was hoping i could get more adivice by them hopefully on Torkoal since nobody said anything about them yet...
 
Adamant with 176 speed EVs gives torterra 384 speed after a rock polish, which let's him outspeed weavile, which would be OHKOd by any move if there's stealth rock support, but if there isn't then stone edge will OHKO it, but 248 speed gives you 210 speed to outspeed Choice Scarf PorygonZ after a Rock Polish. Torterra won't be taking much hits after a Rock Polish anyway.

You should probably change the item too, since you aren't using substitue.
 
Dragon-Shinobi said:
Adamant with 176 speed EVs gives torterra 384 speed after a rock polish, which let's him outspeed weavile, which would be OHKOd by any move if there's stealth rock support, but if there isn't then stone edge will OHKO it, but 248 speed gives you 210 speed to outspeed Choice Scarf PorygonZ after a Rock Polish. Torterra won't be taking much hits after a Rock Polish anyway.

You should probably change the item too, since you aren't using substitue.
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major thanks about that
 
VenomInjection said:
If you like blastoise alot do you have any advice on him?
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yeah, i actually do. Go with either Bold nature or calm.
Bold @ lefties 252 hp/ 252 def.
Toxic
Haze
Rapid spin
Surf/ HP grass / HP electric

Calm @ lefties 252 hp/ 252 s.def.
Rapid spin
Mirror coat
Surf/ HP grass
Ice beam / HP electric
 
BlakBlastoise said:
yeah, i actually do. Go with either Bold nature or calm.
Bold @ lefties 252 hp/ 252 def.
Toxic
Haze
Rapid spin
Surf/ HP grass / HP electric

Calm @ lefties 252 hp/ 252 s.def.
Rapid spin
Mirror coat
Surf/ HP grass
Ice beam / HP electric
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thanks does anyone else like these sets?

Now that ive gotten much advice on Torterra and blastoise could somone tell me pokemon that help them good and counter there counters. Also does anyone have anything to say about Torkoal?
 
VenomInjection said:
thanks does anyone else like these sets?

Now that ive gotten much advice on Torterra and blastoise could somone tell me pokemon that help them good and counter there counters. Also does anyone have anything to say about Torkoal?
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Blastoise won't do good against a mixed E-vire.
Torterra gets raped by anything with an Ice move especially Starmie.

Torkoal Relaxed nature
Leftovers 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA
Curse
Gyro ball
Body slam
Esrthquake???
IDK much about torkoal.
 
Get the team into a somewhat more complete state and post it in the RMT sub-forum.
 
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