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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

JALMONT said:
I didn’t follow that game can you expand. Like what sort of things did he do in that game that made him successful?
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the way he's held conversations and reacted to sus. idk how better to explain it bc im sure someone could show that it's arguable given i have better memories of my interactions of scum celever when im scum reading him, but like, his appeal to ruling out "impossibilities" in order to place himself outside of a poe and his attempt to clear himself by arguing "this can't be possible bc of x y z" feels different than games where he was town.

like in lover's dance he was super into trying to limit who could've possibly been paired w/ who by nature of interactions and vote habits and tried to adjust the discussion window to put himself in the position of "possible but extremely unlikely" reminds me of this game with him talking about role powers and scum gameplans in a manner that attempts to clear him without it being a real clear
 
a fairy said:
the way he's held conversations and reacted to sus. idk how better to explain it bc im sure someone could show that it's arguable given i have better memories of my interactions of scum celever when im scum reading him, but like, his appeal to ruling out "impossibilities" in order to place himself outside of a poe and his attempt to clear himself by arguing "this can't be possible bc of x y z" feels different than games where he was town.

like in lover's dance he was super into trying to limit who could've possibly been paired w/ who by nature of interactions and vote habits and tried to adjust the discussion window to put himself in the position of "possible but extremely unlikely" reminds me of this game with him talking about role powers and scum gameplans in a manner that attempts to clear him without it being a real clear
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Isn’t this just solving the game :worrycargo:
 
a fairy said:
the way he's held conversations and reacted to sus. idk how better to explain it bc im sure someone could show that it's arguable given i have better memories of my interactions of scum celever when im scum reading him, but like, his appeal to ruling out "impossibilities" in order to place himself outside of a poe and his attempt to clear himself by arguing "this can't be possible bc of x y z" feels different than games where he was town.

like in lover's dance he was super into trying to limit who could've possibly been paired w/ who by nature of interactions and vote habits and tried to adjust the discussion window to put himself in the position of "possible but extremely unlikely" reminds me of this game with him talking about role powers and scum gameplans in a manner that attempts to clear him without it being a real clear
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Do you disagree with my analysis then on his claim?

like I’m just trying to think objectively, what’s the world in which he’s lying about his role? I don’t really see it. Maybe his role is real but he’s mafia? But again, I don’t buy a PGO on the mafia. That’s such a specific use that also harms the village 2x vig which is barely shooting correctly anyways. If he’s mafia, then Realiti needs to also have a fairly strong ability to match up to that. Or I suppose it makes scum!ipl more likely as a way to balance. But it feels really off to me.
 
celever it's a matter of the approach/behavior/way you've approached doing it. you're welcome to disregard it lol.

jalmont i do think it's possible he's lying and/or realiti/psy has an equally poweful ability, or that ipl isnt lying and is the other scum. i think those are likely results.

vote imperfectluck

i think celever is scum. but i think ipl is also likely scum and given i wont be around at eod i'd like to ensure that actual calm discussion leads to a vote rather than a last-moment appeal to emotion group switch
 
Like I’ll freely admit that in both lovers dance and this game which have had teams of 2 that I’ve been looking into pair equity a lot, and sure in lover’s that was fake and in this game it’s solving but I also have mainly looked into that pairing today (besides the early ping of you + BGB which isn’t a read I want to discuss the legitimacy of again lol it’s just one I had) after we know the person each remaining scum has to be paired with one of. I’m honestly very surprised that no one else has looked into this as it’s the obvious play to solve with, even if in my recap I didn’t find much that was conclusive.

I’d also like to note that yeah my play shifts from early game to late game, and it’s been a while since I was in the late game as town. Solving takes up a much larger part of the discussion the later it gets in the game because we get more actual info to build a solve off of.

I really think the similarity you’re seeing is just me emulating my town game as scum well last time, and I’m now being scumread because I did a good job of that last game you did pin me early last game but hey
 
Also gonna say now that any disparity in WIM between some of the prior town games and lovers / this one is because closed setup is my preferred mafia format by far and this is the first one I’ve played since revival I think, since I missed the memo and therefore cool weapons and then I hosted Assist Trophy myself and those are the only 2 besides this one IIRC

Probably my biggest scum meta read is I have more WIM as scum but sometimes I just get hard invested as town if the game’s cool and this is one of those LMAO
 
a fairy said:
celever it's a matter of the approach/behavior/way you've approached doing it. you're welcome to disregard it lol.

jalmont i do think it's possible he's lying and/or realiti/psy has an equally poweful ability, or that ipl isnt lying and is the other scum. i think those are likely results.

vote imperfectluck

i think celever is scum. but i think ipl is also likely scum and given i wont be around at eod i'd like to ensure that actual calm discussion leads to a vote rather than a last-moment appeal to emotion group switch
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So you think both of the BPV claims are scum?
 
i feel like ipl and celevr
a fairy said:
celever it's a matter of the approach/behavior/way you've approached doing it. you're welcome to disregard it lol.

jalmont i do think it's possible he's lying and/or realiti/psy has an equally poweful ability, or that ipl isnt lying and is the other scum. i think those are likely results.

vote imperfectluck

i think celever is scum. but i think ipl is also likely scum and given i wont be around at eod i'd like to ensure that actual calm discussion leads to a vote rather than a last-moment appeal to emotion group switch
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I live for the emotional moments
 
There's pretty much no way that both Celever and I are scum. Two BPVs on opposing scum teams? That's just asking for stalemates decided completely through coin toss tie randlynch votes. Most likely scenario is that one of us is scum which is why I've been so laser focused on reading Celever as scum.

Alternative is that both Celever and I are town which I personally see as unlikely still. If you all read me as scum then that means town has zero information roles whatsoever. I also have a bpv claim and that's a role that can help town turn things around (through tie vote luck) if it comes down to the wire.

realiti is getting away with not claiming anything despite being "power role". Looking at the list of roles, cop/tracker/2x bpv/hooker/bodyguard (zippy's jailer is like a hybrid hooker/bodyguard)/roleblock/vigilante/twin are all claimed/gone. What other common mafia role is even left?
 
realiti said:
Scum prob wants him to push me ngl
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all "why is x still alive" boils down to "scum wanted them to continue doing x", "scum wanted town to think we wanted them to continue doing x", "they're scum", or "scum wants us to think they're scum because they're still alive". With the latter two ruled out it's definitely one of the first two which isn't useful...

...except I don't think he's been pushing you that much before today lol? To an extent yes, because I think the most notable thing here is probably that he wanted to solve within PRs first and then vts and I guess you get lumped in with that, but I don't think there's been much to do with you specifically from him?
 
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