banning somthing this late in the metagame is usless.
You forget that at this point people still play RSE full. Also, there are people playing RBY and GSC. So who says those people won't be playing RSE too once competitor is out?
banning somthing this late in the metagame is usless.
Compared to Tyranitar's "requires a sturdy Ground and you're still not safe", I would say that's an improvement.
Why does everyone hate T-Tar? If we banned it we would all be hating Hera (not that we dont anway...)
and the like because of no Sand Stream for Endure/Reversers.
Ive killed it with my Bulky non-BPing Vaporeons for gods sake! (btw awesome thread)
Toy's deleted post said:banning something this late is useless
Mekkah's first post in this thread said:It is way too late to change anything about the current Advance metagame.
How? These things don't/wouldn't force the metagame to centralize around them, nor do they affect team building in the same way as Tyranitar obviously does. Actually, lets look at UU. There is nothing equivalent to Tyranitar in UU so far as 100% stopping reversalers goes. However, do teams with Kabutops/Hitmonlee/etc run rampant and destroy the metagame? No. People add something like mach punch/QA whatever, and bam, problem solved. The argument that reversalers will 'destroy the metagame' is stupid, because they havn't destroyed any of the lower metagames.My point still stands that if ttar was banned from the current OU metagame it would just usher in something like blaziken/heracross or something else to take it's place, leaving us right in the postition we started in, except with 1 more banned pokemon on the list
Tyranitar indeed overspecializes the metagame. People almost HAVE to use Swampert on every team to not get countered by it. If there is no Tyranitar, the discussion of Reversalers increasing is really stupid. Like Pilocus said, there is no Tyranitar in the other metagames, and you don't see Reversalers ruling the metagames.
If you can't counter Tyranitar, play Borderline, UU or NU.
There are a lot of teams that can counter Tyrannitar and teams without Tyrannitar.
But reversalers won't dominate the metagame if it goes. Tyrannitar is a main staple of the current metagame, but it doesn't own the metagame. If you don't put a Milotic counter on your team, it "owns" as well.
If you can't counter Tyranitar, play Borderline, UU or NU.
Euh, Endure/Reversal Pokes don't work against Tyranitar, Sandstream finishes them off, and there are countless way to counter Tyranitar, Swampert, and even better counters like Gliscar and Garchomp, wich both get a bonus by Sandstorm (Sand Veil) and they have STAB'ed (Sword Danced) EQ's. And if you're to lazy to put in a Tyranitar counter, it's your own fault, you can't be the best trainer if you can't win from your opponent because he uses a Tyranitar.From what I've gathered in this thread, peoples' (and my) main problem with Tyranitar is it's Sand Stream ability. If it weren't for that, I'm pretty sure most wouldn't have a problem with another powerful physical attacker.
Edit: And btw, this Endure/Reversal argument is easier to resolve, as Quick Attack/Mach Punch can be utilized as counters to this strategy or simply Ghosts/Intimidators. It's also rather hard to pull off, what with status and Spikes around. Also, my postcount is 1600 and I'm turning 16 on Monday. :D