Tyrogue (Analysis)

Diana

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Tyrogue



Status: Done!
QC checks: Darkamber8828, Nails
GP checks: NixHex (stamped V0x's check), Zystral

[Overview]

<p>Tyrogue is almost never seen in Little Cup. This is mainly due to its terrible stats. It has a decent movepool with many priority moves, but its low Attack stat means it's not very effective at using them. It is almost completely outclassed by nearly every other Fighting-type as well. Overall, Tyrogue is an incredibly weak Pokemon that is not worth using at all.</p>

[SET]
name: Priority Attacker
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: Fake Out
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Bullet Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue is the only Pokemon with all three of Fake Out, Mach Punch, and Bullet Punch in Little Cup, so a moveset using priority moves is the best option. Hi Jump Kick is Tyrogue's stongest move by far, and with only 14 Attack, the power is very welcome. Fake Out can deal free damage on the first turn that Tyrogue is in, and activates Tyrogue's Toxic Orb. Mach Punch is Tyrogue's STAB priority move, while Bullet Punch is yet another form of priority that can at least hit Gastly.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue has major problems with Ghost-types such as Gastly and Duskull, so Houndour and Stunky are good teammates to help with those. Slowpoke can take every move that Tyrogue uses quite easily. Chinchou is a great teammate for Tyrogue, as it can check Slowpoke easily. Shelmet resists Hi Jump Kick and survives priority attacks with plenty of HP to spare, so it is another Pokemon that Tyrogue needs help dealing with. Doduo and Taillow both can deal super effective damage to Shelmet with STAB Brave Bird.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Tyrogue actually has a few other good moves to consider. Earthquake is a decent option to hit Poison-types, which Tyrogue usually has trouble damaging. Rock Slide hits Flying- and Bug-types such as Mantyke and Shelmet hard. Pursuit can deal decent damage to Gastly, though it won't KO. Bulk Up could help Tyrogue hit harder, but it rarely has time to set up due to its low HP and defenses. Brick Break and Low Sweep lack power, but they are more reliable than Hi Jump Kick. Facade used with Toxic Orb and Guts is an interesting option to hit opponents neutrally, but many others outclass Tyrogue in this regard. Counter could catch something off guard if Tyrogue holds a Focus Sash, which can come in handy. Tyrogue is one of only a few Pokemon with Foresight and Rapid Spin, but it doesn't nearly have the bulk to use the moves effectively. Toxic is a decent option to status Slowpoke, which otherwise switches in easily. Magic Coat is a good move, but most Pokemon would just attack Tyrogue instead of trying to status it. Finally, Trick Room support is a viable option, as Tyrogue is quite slow.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ghost-types can switch in on Hi Jump Kick and Mach Punch and don't take much damage from Tyrogue's other moves. Slowpoke and Shelmet easily wall every move Tyrogue can use. Doduo and Tailow outspeed and easily get an OHKO with their STAB moves. Hippopotas has good bulk, so it can take a Hi Jump Kick in a pinch and retaliate with Earthquake.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Tyrogue gets Vital Spirit from the Dream World. It's a decent ability, but Guts is much better because it can raise Tyrogue's attack. Therefore, Vital Spirit would rarely see any use.</p>
 

Al_Alchemist

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Machop (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Guts
EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat / Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Payback

The above outclasses the current set 100%. Close Combat does more damage; Cross Chop has 10% less accuracy, but does the same amount of damage as HJK. Pursuit won't even OHKO LO Gastly, it only does:

13 Atk vs 10 Def & 19 HP (40 Base Power): 14 - 18 (73.68% - 94.74%)

Gastly has little reason to even switch out should you catch it anyway, while Machop will OHKO it with Payback.

Use this set:

Tyrogue (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Guts
EVs: 236 Atk / 236 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Hi Jump Kick

It's the best option Tyrogue can provide without being 100% outclassed.
 

Diana

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All right, after talking on IRC I'll put that set up instead, but I still do want either Darkamber to look back at this or an extra QC member to stamp it since I got that stamp the other way.
 

Nails

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movepool + guts is all it gets.. you mentioned it sucks... looks good.

stamped. idk if this is #1 or #2 though
 

Diana

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I guess Nails' check is #2 then. Thanks everyone, especially Al_Alchemist for the set! I'll write it up tonight!

Edit: This is written.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Tyrogue is almost never seen in Little Cup, mainly due to its terrible stats. It has a decent movepool with many priority moves, but its low Attack stat means it's not very effective at using them. It is almost completely outclassed by nearly every other Fighting-type as well. Overall, Tyrogue is an incredibly weak Pokemon that is not worth using at all.</p>make this less harsh maybe? I mean why write an analysis when it's not worth using?

[SET]
name: Priority Attacker
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: Fake Out
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Bullet Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue is the only Pokemon with all three of Fake Out, Mach Punch, and Bullet Punch in Little Cup, so a moveset using priority moves is the best option to use. Hi Jump Kick is Tyrogue's stongest move by far, and with only 14 Attack, the power is very welcome. Fake Out can deal free damage on the first turn that Tyrogue is in, and it can help activates Tyrogue's Toxic Orb. Mach Punch is Tyrogue's STAB priority move, while Bullet Punch is yet another form of priority that can at least hit Gastly.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue has major problems with Ghost-types such as Gastly and Duskull, so Houndour and Stunky are good teammates to help with those. Slowpoke can take every move that Tyrogue uses quite easily. Chinchou is a great teammate for Tyrogue, as it can check Slowpoke easily. Shelmet resists Hi Jump Kick and survives priority attacks with plenty of HP to spare, so it is another Pokemon that Tyrogue needs help with,period here Doduo and Taillow both can can both deal super effective damage to Shelmet with STAB Brave Bird.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Tyrogue actually has a good few other moves to consider. Earthquake is a decent option to hit Poison-types, which Tyrogue usually has trouble damaging. Rock Slide hits Flying- and Bug-types such as Mantyke and Shelmet hard. Pursuit can deal decent damage to Gastly, though it won't KO. Bulk Up could help Tyrogue hit harder, but it rarely has time to set up due to its low HP and defenses. Brick Break and Low Sweep lack power, but they are more reliable than Hi Jump Kick. Facade used with Toxic Orb and Guts is an interesting option to hit opponents neutrally, but many others outclass Tyrogue in this regard. Facade is an interesting option to hit many opponents neutrally if using a Toxic Orb and Guts, though there are much better users of the combination. Counter could catch something off guard if Tyrogue holds a Focus Sash, which can come in handy. Tyrogue is one of only a few Pokemon with Foresight and Rapid Spin, but it doesn't nearly have the bulk to use the moves effectively. Toxic is a decent option to status Slowpoke, which otherwise switches in easily. Magic Coat is a good move, but most Pokemon would just attack Tyrogue instead of trying to status it. Finally, Trick Room support is a viable option, as Tyrogue is quite slow.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ghost-types can switch in on Hi Jump Kick and don't take much damage from Tyrogue's other moves. Slowpoke and Shelmet easily wall every move Tyrogue can use. Doduo and Tailow outspeed and easily get an OHKO with their STAB moves. Hippopotas has good bulk, so it can take a Hi Jump Kick in a pinch and retaliate with Earthquake.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Tyrogue gets Vital Spirit from the Dream World. It's a decent ability, but Guts is much better because it can for the ability to raise Tyrogue's attack. Therefore, it Vital Spirit would rarely see any use.</p>

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Diana

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Will update, but Tyrogue really is that bad. Every base stat is base 35, and we have to have an analysis of every LC-eligible Pokemon anyway.
 

Nix_Hex

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I didn't find the overview harsh at all. With all the bad prevos out there, there's bound to be some pretty frank analyses, and this happens to be one of those. Otherwise, the check was good. Dammit V0x, you're making my job too easy. You're awesome!



[GP 1/2]

okay I promise I'll do some full checks soon ^_^
 

Zystral

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[Overview]

<p>Tyrogue is almost never seen in Little Cup. This is mainly due to its terrible stats. It has a decent movepool with many priority moves, but its low Attack stat means it's not very effective at using them. It is almost completely outclassed by nearly every other Fighting-type as well. Overall, Tyrogue is an incredibly weak Pokemon that is not worth using at all.</p>

[SET]
name: Priority Attacker
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: Fake Out
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Bullet Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue is the only Pokemon with all three of Fake Out, Mach Punch, and Bullet Punch in Little Cup, so a moveset using priority moves is the best option. Hi Jump Kick is Tyrogue's stongest move by far, and with only 14 Attack, the power is very welcome. Fake Out can deal free damage on the first turn that Tyrogue is in, and activates Tyrogue's Toxic Orb. Mach Punch is Tyrogue's STAB priority move, while Bullet Punch is yet another form of priority that can at least hit Gastly.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Tyrogue has major problems with Ghost-types such as Gastly and Duskull, so Houndour and Stunky are good teammates to help with those. Slowpoke can take every move that Tyrogue uses quite easily. Chinchou is a great teammate for Tyrogue, as it can check Slowpoke easily. Shelmet resists Hi Jump Kick and survives priority attacks with plenty of HP to spare, so it is another Pokemon that Tyrogue needs help dealing with. Doduo and Taillow both can deal super effective damage to Shelmet with STAB Brave Bird.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Tyrogue actually has a good few other good moves to consider. Earthquake is a decent option to hit Poison-types, which Tyrogue usually has trouble damaging. Rock Slide hits Flying- and Bug-types such as Mantyke and Shelmet hard. Pursuit can deal decent damage to Gastly, though it won't KO. Bulk Up could help Tyrogue hit harder, but it rarely has time to set up due to its low HP and defenses. Brick Break and Low Sweep lack power, but they are more reliable than Hi Jump Kick. Facade used with Toxic Orb and Guts is an interesting option to hit opponents neutrally, but many others outclass Tyrogue in this regard. Counter could catch something off guard if Tyrogue holds a Focus Sash, which can come in handy. Tyrogue is one of only a few Pokemon with Foresight and Rapid Spin, but it doesn't nearly have the bulk to use the moves effectively. Toxic is a decent option to status Slowpoke, which otherwise switches in easily. Magic Coat is a good move, but most Pokemon would just attack Tyrogue instead of trying to status it. Finally, Trick Room support is a viable option, as Tyrogue is quite slow.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ghost-types can switch in on Hi Jump Kick and Mach Punch and don't take much damage from Tyrogue's other moves. Slowpoke and Shelmet easily wall every move Tyrogue can use. Doduo and Tailow outspeed and easily get an OHKO with their STAB moves. Hippopotas has good bulk, so it can take a Hi Jump Kick in a pinch and retaliate with Earthquake.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Tyrogue gets Vital Spirit from the Dream World. It's a decent ability, but Guts is much better because it can raise Tyrogue's attack. Therefore, Vital Spirit would rarely see any use.</p>


tyrogue continuing the tcg's tradition of "shit in games, amazing in tcg"
 

Diana

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I don't play the tcg anymore but Tyrogue being good there seems wrong. What are they thinking when making cards, I wonder?

Oh well, thanks, this is done!
 

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