U Can't Touch This - LC Diglett Suspect Test

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Diglett is one of the most interesting Pokemon in Little Cup history. Sparking generations of talk on the effects of Arena Trap and trapping in Little Cup for years to come. I won't dig too much into the finer points of trapping today, but I do want to touch back on some of the history of Diglett in Little Cup and what has reached this point of contention. Before we dig into that, I want to lay down some ground rules as to what the moderation team and the council expect to see in this thread. We will not be honoring comparisons to other tiers, such as OU. The situations of legality of trapping in other tiers not only has no impact on LC, but is so wildly different from this tier that comparisons to level 100 play just reeks of inexperience. If your talking point isn't rock-solid, you can very much expect an infraction for this. Comparisons to previous generations of Little Cup are encouraged. While I'm not personally a big fan of comparing across generations, if your opinion on trapping has changed across the years, your experience in this area and what makes Diglett broken then, but not broken now, or vise versa, are a point of value to the conversation. I would like to avoid other Pokemon in this type of dialogue though, I don't need to hear about how Fletchling was broken 9 years ago because of Diglett. Furthermore, this is not a suspect of Arena Trap, this is a Diglett suspect test. Our central point of focus is on Diglett, and the short-term effects it has on Little Cup moving forward. If other forms of trapping prove to be problematic, then we'll approach that tactfully, but we are not at that point yet. Finally, Pokemon Home is set to be coming out soon, so we are tiering for what is available to us right now, not what is to be expected to come out in our near future. Once Pokemon Home is released, we will revisit this suspect, along with the most recent bans that we've done and evaluate whether or not they should remain banned with the options available to us. And if by chance Pokemon Home has unfortunate timing and what is essentially a new collection of tier-valuable Pokemon drops on our laps mid-suspect, we will stop and reassess, essentially canceling the suspect test.

Diglett has an interesting history throughout the majority of Little Cup, where it always appears to be in contention for the best Pokemon in the metagame, and for short portions of time, could be considered the best. More often than not, however, Diglett is considered to be a very strong Pokemon who supports an even stronger Pokemon who gets pushed over the edge in terms of viability. Diglett's central focus from year to year seems to be eliminating common threats so a sweeper can complete the game on its behalf. Of course, Diglett is so effective at removing key threats because of its ability, Arena Trap, which prevents grounded Pokemon from switching out. In the past, this was mitigated by quite a few things. Diglett, barring its speed stat, is an extremely underwhelming Pokemon in terms of Base Stat Total. Diglett also does not have a wide range of moves in its arsenal. While the powerful EdgeQuake coverage provides it with something to hit everything, along with some rare Dark options and even rarer Poison options, Diglett can't really do anything to a Pokemon unless it hits for Super Effective Damage or if the Pokemon is weakened considerably. Furthermore, Diglett needs to make the decision of item selection, which gives up something considerably. More damage from Life Orb? Diglett's paper-thin defenses make it extremely weak to priority and even the weakest of scarf users. An Eviolite gives it a hair more survivability, but now you have a hybrid of a Diglett who struggles to kill things and barely survives attacks. That being said, the incredible 20 speed—the highest unboosted speed tier in all of Little Cup—along with the ability to remove key threats such as Rock-, Steel-, and Fire-Types, makes Diglett a force to be reckoned with, but one to be rarely suspected and never one to be banned. So what's changed?

Pokemon has an interesting way of making the competitive formats interesting, by introducing a generation-wide mechanic that is either loved, or hated by the playerbase. Generations 4 and 5 were largely uneventful for Little Cup and thus, were largely uneventful for Diglett. While it remains viable, particularly in the sunsets of those generations, Diglett is far from a universal best Pokemon in those tiers. In Pokemon X and Y, this largely stayed true as well, however; Diglett became more of a star in Little Cup, being able to be paired with other extremely frail Pokemon, eliminate a key threat for that Pokemon and allow them to run through teams. Pokemon Sun and Moon introduced Z-Moves. While items in Little Cup have traditionally been extremely strong, with many Pokemon needing a very good reason to forgo a +1 boost to both defenses, Diglett has always been capable of doing so in order to capitalize on what it is good at. Tectonic Rage was a one-time option which allowed Diglett to shock an opponent, turning a generally poor trap into a free kill. Coupling that with the inability to scout Diglett's item more often than not, it became very challenging in the preview to identify what your opponent wanted to trap. In Sword and Shield, gone were Z-Moves, in came Dynamax. If you were an early bird to the arrival of the previous generation, you understood that Dynamax was universally broken, particularly so in Little Cup, so needless to say this was largely forgotten over the years. Sword and Shield did introduce a Grassy Terrain autosetter to Little Cup, which absolutely had an impact on Diglett and hurt the viability of it, but Diglett remained a titan of the tier. Moves such as Hidden Power and Pursuit were removed. These were both a blessing and a curse to Diglett. While these situations were extremely limited, on the one hand, Diglett could no longer trap Pokemon with an unpredictable Hidden Power. On the other? Diglett could no longer be hit by a sure-fire kill using Hidden Power. More importantly was the removal of Pursuit, which meant Diglett could no longer reliably kill threats such as Gastly, it also meant that Pokemon that wanted to revenge kill Diglett could no longer do so as well. Sword and Shield was also the introduction of the removal of the National Dex, which meant a significantly limited scope of Pokemon to use. While this did not particularly bother Diglett, other options to whack the mole which were available in the previous two generations were now stuck in those metagames. Finally, we reach today. We have a very similar problem in both a new mechanic and a lack of Pokemon options given to us. The Pokemon pool at the time of writing, to put it kindly, is paltry. Pokemon who never sniffed viability due to being generally outclassed are currently top-tier Pokemon.The weaker the options, the stronger Diglett gets, as the baseline power level of the tier is lower, but Diglett's strength remains. Additionally, the generation mechanic, the terastal phenomenon, lives up to its name, as one Pokemon per match is able to switch its type. Diglett is extremely strong with this mechanic as it is now able to change its type (something it never really relied on in the first place defensively) to maximize its offensive options. Switching to an Ice- or Flying-type and deleting a key threat has never been more unpredictable. And while there is counterplay, as something who would normally be trapped immediately can change to a type Diglett loses to, Diglett can bait this out and simply choose not to attack or to switch out entirely. While the community has expressed interest in wanting to retain the mechanic for the time being, the amount of options Diglett has, could potentially have reached an unprecedented level. Couple this with a lack of Pursuit, and we have a Pokemon who is faster than the entire unboosted tier, can change its type to beat yours, and can force decisions to either risk the Pokemon who is currently out, or risk using your terastallization on a Pokemon prematurely. All-in-all, Diglett's current impact on the meta has been seen as suspect-worthy, as it has been one of the most meta-defining Pokemon of the current generation.

The voting requirements are a minimum GXE of 78 with at least 50 games played. In addition, you may play 1 less game for every 0.2 GXE you have above 78 GXE, down to a minimum of 30 games at a GXE of 82. As always, needing more than 50 games to 78 GXE is fine.

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Alright so why Diggy broken?

Tera breaks Diggy, its so stupid because it can literally trap anything. Arena Trap is strong, but very often Diglett is kept in check by having bad matchups and poor bulk.

It would have checks that can deal with it in Toedscool and Crabrawler. However, Tera Ice can demolish Toedscool and Tera Flying can destroy Crabrawler. The limited dex means no more strong defensive staples such as Porygon, Mienfoo, or Grookey. Answers are few and far between. Ground typing is also quite good on baseline.

This isn't even addressing how flexible it is.

So you know how we had a league just finish up? Well uh, if you look at all of the replays from it....

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Its in literally every single game, most times being on both sides.

I brought air balloon diglett because it was the most reliable way to deal with other diglett. Kythr brought scarf diglett to tiebreak. You can viably run Life Orb or Eviolite Diglett on Balance teams. Whats that? You need a way to support your breaker? Ho ho, just slap on a focus sash Diglett to set up Stealth Rocks and use Memento and you're Good as Gold.

Previously, Diglett itself was not broken cause it couldn't do everything you needed it to on every single build. With Tera and the limited dex, it can. As a result, it most certainly should be banned.

I'm off to go find a reliable Wattrel counter once Diglett can't pressure it anymore. Good luck to everyone getting diggy banned, im not expecting it to stay at all.
 

Colin

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I think Diglett should be banned. in prior generations of LC that I have played, it was the best enabler, but it was not broken or at least not nearly as broken as it is in this meta. There is no reliable counter trapping due to the threat Terastalization making Air Balloon Diglett unreliable, and Dexit cutting other options. Diglett obviously can't run everything, but Terablast sets in particular can choose which targets they can remove, resulting in there being very few safe checks and counters to it. Pokemon can Terastalize out of a ground weakness, but this can be baited by Substitute sets and Diglett can then switch out having gained the Tera advantage. Checking it after a trap is much more manageable, with Shellder in particular setting up most Diglett variants (can still lose after smash to Tera Dark variants if they win the 50 50), however options are limited since few things are as bulky as Shellder, and Scarf users that can revenge kill aren't particularly amazing into the rest of the meta. Diglett is tied for the fastest unboosted threat legal in the tier, so you can't outspeed without a choice scarf.

Sets:

:life orb::diglett:
Diglett @ Life Orb
Ability: Arena Trap
Level: 5
Tera Type: Flying / Dark / Ice
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Substitute
- Rock Blast / Stone Edge
- Sucker Punch / Terablast

This is its best set and what makes it ban worthy. EQ is amazing stab and can trap a lot of things, Substitute can scout out Terastalization, and rock coverage hits flying types; even if Diglett could only run these 3 options it would still be excellent. Rock Blast is more used since its more accurate and can break sashes and substitute, but Stone Edge has an excellent niche of being an OHKO on Drifloon and Wingull always provided it hits, and 75% odds of doing the same to 11 defense Eviolite rock weak Pokemon such as Standard Wattrel and Standard Eviolite Surskit spreads. Sucker Punch or Terablast is the biggest thing that changes counterplay to an unreasonable degree however. Tera Dark Sucker Punch sets boast powerful priority that doesn't need to Tera, preventing things like Gothita from being a revenge killer, and Shroodle from being able to escape if Diglett Teras and Shroodle doesn't. Terablast is high commitment, but reading it is often even more so since Diglett can switch out or Substitute while you cannot, and a Tera'd Diglett is generally more impactful than say, a Tera'd Toedscool outside that 1 turn. with just LO sets alone, there is too little consistent counter play for all the different things it can do, and this is just Diglett as a threat in a vacuum without enabling other teammates.

Other sets include Air Balloon Diglett which while a poor answer into opposing Diglett, can still do the job if for whatever reason they cannot Tera, and it can switch hard into and trap Glimmet unless they Tera. Eviolite and Focus Sash Diglett have niches on hyper offense teams since they can set stealth rocks and use memento to give any of the tier's dangerous setup sweepers easier setup. Choice Scarf Diglett with Terablast Ice is perhaps the best counter-trapper into non Sucker Punch Diglett, and can also revenge kill most setup sweepers and function some in webs thanks to its enormous speed with a scarf. Diglett is an elite enabler, but it is also a broken threat on its own with Life Orb, and makes all other sets harder to play around since scouting an Arena Trap Pokemon's set is very hard.
 
Diglett is very much so a busted mon. Arena Trap helps, but what really does it over is the combination of Terastalizing and its stats. It is tied for the fastest mon in the tier without scarfs so you can't really get the jump on it, which necessitates almost a dedicated check to it on its own, one that can be deceptive and use Tera solely to take it out. It has enough bulk to live one hefty attack that would give the opposition a jump on it, like Sucker Punch, can get up Substitutes for free since so many try to OHKO it with Sucker Punch, and then Tera just pulls it over the edge. You think you have a check to it with your Toedscool? Tera Ice Tera Blast. Crabrawler? Tera Flying Tera Blast. It's holding specs too. Games can regularly come down to Diglett v. Diglett offs (no thanks to Arena Trap but still), and who has their Tera (if it's like Tera Flying) and who predicts right. Sometimes it comes down to someone winning the game thanks to a speed tie and the winning Diglett wiping the rest of their team. The meta isn't healthy with it here. Even if Arena Trap and Shadow Tag are banned, it would still be insanely good because it has basically no checks at all. With other fast mons like Voltorb or Wiglett, their limited movepools mean you can check it reliably, even with Tera Blast on either of them. Diglett? Its moveset is too diverse, it's too fast to outspeed normally, Tera is broken with it, and it can counter so many things so well. This thing is just too much. Put it in the shadow realm with the other busted Gen 1 Little Cup mons like the Gastlys and the Scythers, and don't touch it again with a 45 and a half foot pole. (that whole thing may have been an exaggeration or so it feels but regardless Diglett is just so good that it's too good.)
 

Éric

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In my opinion, and trying to not repeat any argument with the people whove already posted, i think the biggest problem with dig rn, which is v different from other tiers, is how difficult it is to punish it. think about ss: dig would trap one mon, and then it would either get countertrapped by pory/evio or balloon dig, or lose momentum when foo/grook/porygon/natu tried to rk it. in this tier however, when a dig kills a mon (which is easier bc lower bst and tera blast), how do you punish it? grass resists get tera blasted, flyings get rock blasted (or even stone edge which techs floon), most things dont wanna eat eq to begin with unless they play dumb tera mindgames... the only consistent thing that punishes diglett is diglett itself, being balloon, evio or scarf.
life orb diglett is absolutely a menace with a really small pool of "checks", which dont even work as checks bc you cant switch them into it. the fastest mon in the tier being this potent and unpunishable is too much for the tier imo, and has been for a while
 

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this thing is so stupid

its the fastest thing in the meta with no real answers because you cant switch vs it and theres been a ton of games where diglett is able to claim 2 kills while being unpunished or at least forcing unhealthy interactions with tera currently in the tier. in ss lc there is stuff to keep diglett in check like being able to run countertrap where if you run an item to not care about it you lose out on a lot of power, and just other stuff surrounding it in the meta like grookey making it a bit worse

the only reason i think people could think diglett is balanced in this tier is because if you use life orb you are generally missing out if you dont use your tera on dig to kill stuff like toedscool with the added perk of having a good matchup vs webs and opposing diglett but i think the rewards of those interactions make it so using your tera on diglett is generally worth it for the diglett user.

theres not really anything else to add here, this thing is ridiculous with tera pushing it over the edge and diglett is too game defining to be a healthy addition to the tier
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NotJackewu

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While I cant say much about previous generations as I am a gen8lc baby. I can say that tera makes Diglett too big of a problem in this generation to reliably deal with.

While the powerful EdgeQuake coverage provides it with something to hit everything, along with some rare Dark options and even rarer Poison options, Diglett can't really do anything to a Pokemon unless it hits for Super Effective Damage or if the Pokemon is weakened considerably.​
Seems like an obvious point to make, but I'm going to say it anyways.
Diglett can terastallize to gain even more super effective options, lowering the pool of Pokemon that can resist its attacks even further.
I find the argument "But so can your opponent", to not hold much water since Diglett can often afford to scout for the opponents tera by utilizing its 20 Speed + Substitute.
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[Ground/Rock/Ice coverage]

I know we were asked not to mention other Pokemon in this conversation, but I cant help to mention that Diglett can probably hit 90%+ of the Pokemon in this tier with a super effective move, if not neutral.
This makes it so that Diglett will always be a good bring on any team, the amount of value it provides is unlike anything else in this tier.

The best answer to Diglett might be Scarf Gothita thanks to the fact it can countertrap.
But even Gothita doesnt have a reliable way of killing Diglett, given the Diglett hasnt weakened.
236+ SpA Gothita Psychic vs. 36 HP / 0 SpD Diglett: 15-18 (83.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18)

So what's left? Other scarf pokemon I guess? Not really the biggest problem for Diglett either, as you can just switch it out to another Pokemon who can probably tank the Scarf mons hits easily.

In short, this pokemon can get rid of the majority of Pokemon in the tier by revenge killing them and has little options to deal with it thanks to its high speed and near perfect coverage.
Just for that I think Diglett deserves to be banned.
 
The best answer to Diglett might be Scarf Gothita thanks to the fact it can countertrap.
But even Gothita doesnt have a reliable way of killing Diglett, given the Diglett hasnt weakened.
You missed the fact that Gothita has Energy Ball. But even then, Diglett carries Sucker Punch, so if you want to win the trapping 1v1, you have to Tera Fighting.
 
You missed the fact that Gothita has Energy Ball. But even then, Diglett carries Sucker Punch, so if you want to win the trapping 1v1, you have to Tera Fighting.
One thing that Gothita can do is Trick the Scarf away, die and then send your own Diglett with Air Balloon that uses Sub + SD (and also has some Tera with immunities like Ghost or Steel in case it doesn't face Dig) and most likely win the game on the spot. That shit is pretty unreliable, but appears from time to time and is pretty cancerous for the meta, just like anything related to Diglett. Countertrapped Diglett can avoid this by using Rock Blast (it will still get it killed, but at least there won't be SD + Sub), Tera Blast or Memento on Gothi, but it has to expect the possibility, cause Gothi + Diglett is a strong core with Standard Diglett sets too.

Won't add anything else, almost everything has already been said, ban the mole.
 
I think this current tier is garbage and unplayable.

My hope is that no dig allows pokemon like nymble more breathing room for it to check stuff like shellder or what not. This ban obviously isnt a tier fixer but I think it's a step in right direction.

Lookign at what we get with home, I doubt waiting for that would change anything. I think we should be more willing to ban more stuff quickly to arrive at something that ppl will actually want to play. It's nearly impossible to find games on ladder or cord cuz almost no one wants to play this tier.
 
Diglett w/o tera is already one of the most threatening offensive threats in the tier. Boosted by a life orb, its coverage is capable of sweeping softened up teams easier than previously possible. The lack of notable priority users or counter trap options this generation are a large factor. Now factor in tera and you have a mon capable of picking it targets easier than before, and in this meta being proactive and offensive w/ your tera is more rewarding. Your mons that would ordinarily switch into diglett now fear a constant 50/50 that only the diglett user can opt out of. Being able to provide strong support to Chewtle, Shellder, or Crabrawler via memento is more minor, but still relevant.
 

Colin

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wouldnt you agree that a suspect and discussions about bans should allow for the option to say that the actual problem got missed? because that is what lc noob said.

council has preemptively decided which positions are acceptable to take and which arent. plain anti democratic, or censorship if you want.
I don't really agree with this. The council did decide to suspect Diglett instead of Terastalization, but this wasn't a decision made in a day only based on a few people; There has been a growing number of people (including me, yea ik I'm biased) complaining about Diglett in the LC discord, Smogon or other tournament servers ever since a couple weeks after the Gastly ban. Tera has also been complained about a lot, but there's no general consensus like there is for a Diglett suspect recently. a survey would've been nice, but in my biased opinion it wasn't really necessary since of the people talking in the LC discord there is a clear majority of people wanting it gone, and with Pokemon Home arriving, there isn't a lot of time.

Tera is a huge factor in what makes Diglett broken (it would still be elite and borderline broken w/o it tho), but since Tera is here to stay for at least until home almost certainly, Diglett should be tiered with the assumption it stays, and if it gets banned Diglett can be re-suspected/unbanned. Therefore, I urge people to vote ban if they think Diglett is broken even if they think its only because of Terastalization.
 

drizzle

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I don't play LC as much as some of the other people who have contributed, but I can't see a world in which both Diglett and tera can ever stay. I really like LC but it's pretty frustrating to get into when every game comes down to the Diglett mirror/tera Ice Voltorb speed tie and the only way around it is to be tera Flying Diglett yourself. I think tera is such a turbulent mechanic in an already pretty turbulent metagame and Diglett is just the best tera abuser.

Home comes out Soon™ though and hopefully whatever drops there makes tera feel a little more manageable but I honestly doubt it. I think the question to consider for every SV metagame but especially LC is "How many tera abusers will get suspected before tera itself?" But tera or no tera Diggy needs to go, so I will resoundingly vote to ban.
 
Look, diglett even without arena trap and or Tera is a menace. Want to click aqua jet for a KO chance ? Sucker punch says no. And instead of the 10hp stat being a problem, it can spend 25% if it’s meager hp to take the hit. Along with the life orb boost it becomes a really hard mon to stop unless you hand-make something to stop it. This Mon is one of the few in my opinion that limits the incredibly strong pawn and I wonder how the metagame will change once one of the easiest ways to remove pawn is gone. In my opinion there’s not a lot of skill playing diglett it’s just abuse of a broken Mon in a mainly neutral/resistant tier and the Pokémon that could try to tank it are almost always weak to the moves run by this little mole. I think Tera is fine, as we see a unique blend of counter play in the tier. Tera isn’t the problem the mole abusing it is. My worry is that without knowing how home will change the metagame, I don’t want to say that diglett absolutely doesn’t belong but in this time pre-home I think diglett is an effective tier king like giraffe and gastly before it. The game has unfortunately fell to can I beat their diglett? The only hope would be to web it but even then it most likely out-speeds a majority of the cast. The likelihood of sobble or chespin reversing the diglett ideas is unreasonable but they could in theory get a kill on a few of these moles.
 
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Look, diglett even without arena trap and or Tera is a menace. Want to click aqua jet for a KO chance ? Sucker punch says no. And instead of the 10hp stat being a problem, it can spend 25% if it’s meager hp to take the hit. Along with the life orb boost it becomes a really hard mon to stop unless you hand-make something to stop it. This Mon is one of the few in my opinion that limits the incredibly strong pawn and I wonder how the metagame will change once one of the easiest ways to remove pawn is gone. In my opinion there’s not a lot of skill playing diglett it’s just abuse of a broken Mon in a mainly neutral/resistant tier and the Pokémon that could try to tank it are almost always weak to the moves run by this little mole. I think Tera is fine, as we see a unique blend of counter play in the tier. Tera isn’t the problem the mole abusing it is. My worry is that without knowing how home will change the metagame, I don’t want to say that diglett absolutely doesn’t belong but in this time pre-home I think diglett is an effective tier king like giraffe and gastly before it. The game has unfortunately fell to can I beat their diglett? The only hope would be to web it but even then it most likely out-speeds a majority of the cast. The likelihood of sobble or chespin reversing the diglett ideas is unreasonable but they could in theory get a kill on a few of these moles.
*sigh* i mean... wiglett has been a good antimeta for me. it has stomping tantrum for mareanie/pawn, aqua jet to revenge kill, liquidation for general stab, ice beam to bait in toedscool.
 
toedscool counters it with its grass stab and fast sweeping. if you ban diglet toedscool will be overwhelming. diglet does have alot of ways to be countered and although it is s tier i dont think it is overwhelming as you can shut it down with alot of the popular pokemon and you can completly shut it down with tera flying dry skin croagunk which is very popular. and toedscool is although checks diglet diglet is its only check. so if you ban diglet you ban toedscool as well. And toedscool checks alot of the meta and i dont think it would be healthy if it would be a chaotic everything checks everything meta. which would not be fun and we would see a large dip in competitive and casual players.
 
while i do believe that toeds is instead the best mon in the tier purely because it has more use cases and even more important tools
diglett is still really unhealthy and should 100% be banned
it has 0 counters
it can get away with bullshit purely cause of its tera or just cause nothing can counter-trap it
tera grass goth can but it does literally nothing else for goth apart from countering diglett
it forces unhealthy interactions and all that other unhealthy jazz
although i do think that before this tier becomes actually good one of two things needs to happen
1. tera gets deleted
2. home releases early
this is a step in the right direction but even after its banned i still do think this tier will not be very good

toedscool counters it with its grass stab and fast sweeping. if you ban diglet toedscool will be overwhelming. diglet does have alot of ways to be countered and although it is s tier i dont think it is overwhelming as you can shut it down with alot of the popular pokemon and you can completly shut it down with tera flying dry skin croagunk which is very popular. and toedscool is although checks diglet diglet is its only check. so if you ban diglet you ban toedscool as well. And toedscool checks alot of the meta and i dont think it would be healthy if it would be a chaotic everything checks everything meta. which would not be fun and we would see a large dip in competitive and casual players.
also do i have to say why this is wrong or
 
Diglett has made multiple generations of LC unplayable and I'm glad to see it gone from this generation's metagame. With Terastalization as a factor I'm actually quite surprised trapping has stayed around for this long, especially with Diglett's capability to tailor itself to remove any threat. I've always been of the belief that trapping isn't inherently broken, but a trapper being one of the fastest threats in the metagame creates substantially more situations where trapping doesn't incur a cost because Pokemon is a game where moving first and causing a Pokemon to faint simply stops your opponent's turn. Focus Sash and Memento are also extremely powerful means of squeezing value out of Diglett, with Focus Sash potentially expanding the range of Pokemon it can trap by giving it an extra turn, to Memento creating incredible value after Diglett has completed its job. The only thing I can think of that even compares is the old stall matchup vs Tickle+Encore Wobbufett in early DPP.

I really hope this metagame rectifies the mistake we started in Sun and Moon by banning Gothita and not Diglett when it really should have been the other way around. This will generate some of the most drastic viability shifts and a greater variety of viable Pokemon given just how metagame-warping Diglett's presence has been.
 
toedscool counters it with its grass stab and fast sweeping. if you ban diglet toedscool will be overwhelming. diglet does have alot of ways to be countered and although it is s tier i dont think it is overwhelming as you can shut it down with alot of the popular pokemon and you can completly shut it down with tera flying dry skin croagunk which is very popular. and toedscool is although checks diglet diglet is its only check. so if you ban diglet you ban toedscool as well. And toedscool checks alot of the meta and i dont think it would be healthy if it would be a chaotic everything checks everything meta. which would not be fun and we would see a large dip in competitive and casual players.
ok wait can we just take a moment to like acknowledge this

you can completly shut it down with tera flying dry skin croagunk which is very popular
now if u say that about toedscool ye sure, it really cant hit flying types... well except knocking off its valuable eviolite
but like diglett????????????? like do u even- its a diglett. it has tera ice to go boom boom on it, or not even tera just use like edge/rockblast
plus it requires tera, there's probably more mons that can use it better
....like idk, DIGLETT maybe?
that's the problem: diglett paired with terastalization is an insane threat. think of it:
in generations such as g8, you have staryu and grookey to scare it with a super effective hit
grookey itself also forced diglett to run moves such as sludge bomb or stomping tantrum. every gen things get weaker -> diglett gets stronger
plus, you don't only have diglett. you have 5 more entire mons to build it around. whether its hazards, dual trapping or a defensive core that benefits diglett in some way.
all in all, diglett should be banned. or:
1. tera gets deleted
2. home releases early (ZeStinky)
 
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