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Ultimate Balanced Team
- Thread starter emirinho
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I have almost never faced such a combo nor have i ever been 6-0'ed by the same. However, i will still try to find something against it.
Seeing the combo a scarfer may be good against both pokemon, because virizion has got good speed and because scarf t-tars are not rare either.
Anyways thank you for your rate.
Nelson-X did post a valid point. Though I've rarely seen the Combo myself either, it could still be threatening. I suggest that perhaps change Latios to Life Orb to compensate for this, or just keep the specs if you can predict the Ttar switch well enough and hit it with a Surf.
Hey your team looks pretty sweet. I personally would just recommend TAUNT over BRAVE BIRD on skarmory. You can't KO Conk, but you can stop Ferro and other Scarms. I guess it's just preference but I find it useful.
Again, I like the team, and best luck to you.
Again, I like the team, and best luck to you.
Thanks for the rate
Well life orb surf would do less to t-tar than Specs.
Thanks for the rate
I need the brave bird for brelooms volcaronas and other pokemon it is not just for conkeldurr. I just brave bird conkeldurr when he is at 50 or lower % of his health.
Lol I know it's not just for him, but I was too lazy to mention others. :) Taunt is just nice to keep away hazards. But it seems you have it all worked out.
Well i have donphan to keep the hazards away, he is a great spinner.
Skarmory, though, needs the brave bird more than Taunt.
(I guess one of the last bumbs, probably the last
If anyone has something to suggest it would be greatly appreciated)
Thanks for rating my teams, emirinho! Now, it's my turn to rate yours.
Your team, if you're not aware, has a massive weakness to Ice attacks, thus, your team will experience problems with teams having Kyurem, Mamoswine, or Cloyster.
1. In Kyurem's case, Choice Scarf variants will give the team a lot of trouble when not handled properly, and good thing Chansey's on your side.
2. In Mamoswine's case, Icicle Spearing variants can break Donphan's Sturdy, having a chance not to set up Stealth Rocks on time. Also, Focus Sash variants can kill a certain lead with Endeavor + Ice Shard, or whatever move Mamoswine has under his belt.
3. In Cloyster's case, Shell Smash + Focus Sash variants can kill certain Pokemon in your team. What you're going to do there is to act fast before it uses Shell Smash and guarantee kills (even to Skarmory and Chansey). I know Donphan can KO it afterward with Ice Shard, but tread this one carefully too.
Also, another threat comes from a team containing a Dragon, and Magnezone. Magnezone can kill your Skarmory prematurely as it is being trapped and killed, opening up sweeps for Dragon-types such as Dragonite, Haxorus, Salamence, and others. For that, you should pack another Steel-type Pokemon--say, Forretress to give extra insurance to those Dragon-types who are attempting to sweep your Pokemon to hell with their powerful Outrages to serve it as back-up wall. However, due to the solidity of the team, switching anyone out would ruin your synergy.
Setting those aside, I have one idea--change Latios's item of choice to Choice Scarf, as Choice Scarf Latios will end Dragonite's, Haxorus's, Salamence's, or any other set-up sweeper's attempts to attack and wipe out the whole team before you retaliate. If you can think of swapping Donphan out to Forretress, it's up to you. I don't know; it depends on what your team needs the most.
Anyway, it's a solid team, and good job making your Ultimate Balanced Team. Wooh! My 100th post! :)
Your team, if you're not aware, has a massive weakness to Ice attacks, thus, your team will experience problems with teams having Kyurem, Mamoswine, or Cloyster.
1. In Kyurem's case, Choice Scarf variants will give the team a lot of trouble when not handled properly, and good thing Chansey's on your side.
2. In Mamoswine's case, Icicle Spearing variants can break Donphan's Sturdy, having a chance not to set up Stealth Rocks on time. Also, Focus Sash variants can kill a certain lead with Endeavor + Ice Shard, or whatever move Mamoswine has under his belt.
3. In Cloyster's case, Shell Smash + Focus Sash variants can kill certain Pokemon in your team. What you're going to do there is to act fast before it uses Shell Smash and guarantee kills (even to Skarmory and Chansey). I know Donphan can KO it afterward with Ice Shard, but tread this one carefully too.
Also, another threat comes from a team containing a Dragon, and Magnezone. Magnezone can kill your Skarmory prematurely as it is being trapped and killed, opening up sweeps for Dragon-types such as Dragonite, Haxorus, Salamence, and others. For that, you should pack another Steel-type Pokemon--say, Forretress to give extra insurance to those Dragon-types who are attempting to sweep your Pokemon to hell with their powerful Outrages to serve it as back-up wall. However, due to the solidity of the team, switching anyone out would ruin your synergy.
Setting those aside, I have one idea--change Latios's item of choice to Choice Scarf, as Choice Scarf Latios will end Dragonite's, Haxorus's, Salamence's, or any other set-up sweeper's attempts to attack and wipe out the whole team before you retaliate. If you can think of swapping Donphan out to Forretress, it's up to you. I don't know; it depends on what your team needs the most.
Anyway, it's a solid team, and good job making your Ultimate Balanced Team. Wooh! My 100th post! :)
Hello, and thanks for the rate.
You are completely right about the dragon + zone weakness. I was also debating in my head whether i should put a scarf on latios. Now as i see that you also think it is a good idea, i am most probably going to change it to a scarfed version.
It wouldn't, IMO, be a good idea to switch donphan because he can end lucario sweeps with the sturdy and he can OHKO 55% and less health Dragonites which is pretty valuable.
Also, Congrats on the 100th post, good luck in the future. :D
Personally I prefer HP Ice on Volcarona.
HP Ground is OK, but if you only run it to hit Heatran I think the move is a waste of space because Heatran is already checked by many of your other team members.
Swap it for HP Ice, then you are no longer walled by Dragon Type Pokemon that usually switch in when you dance first turn. Then they either send in a scarfed pokemon such as Landorus that can 1HKO Volcarona or they just send in a Dragon Type monster and Outrage your Volcarona which usually should be enough to take it down because of its low physical defence. For the first scenario you cannot do much because Landorus is faster (but you can predict the switch and 1HKO it) and if you go with HP Ice you also could avoid being walled by dragon types and strike back with super effective HP Ice after a Quiver Dance (dragonite's salamence) its a sure 2HKO on dragonite and 1HKO vs. salamence. Latios also is 2HKO'd. Not to mention Gliscor that always is 1HKO'd. I know you love your current Volcarona moveset and you might probably not do the change but I can tell you that it works nice. It also could solve a bit of your dragon type weakness without changing too much on the team.
Oh, and did I mention the popularity of Air Balloon Heatran leads?
Just voted for a "yes" Great Team
Hope I helped and good success with it.
HP Ground is OK, but if you only run it to hit Heatran I think the move is a waste of space because Heatran is already checked by many of your other team members.
Swap it for HP Ice, then you are no longer walled by Dragon Type Pokemon that usually switch in when you dance first turn. Then they either send in a scarfed pokemon such as Landorus that can 1HKO Volcarona or they just send in a Dragon Type monster and Outrage your Volcarona which usually should be enough to take it down because of its low physical defence. For the first scenario you cannot do much because Landorus is faster (but you can predict the switch and 1HKO it) and if you go with HP Ice you also could avoid being walled by dragon types and strike back with super effective HP Ice after a Quiver Dance (dragonite's salamence) its a sure 2HKO on dragonite and 1HKO vs. salamence. Latios also is 2HKO'd. Not to mention Gliscor that always is 1HKO'd. I know you love your current Volcarona moveset and you might probably not do the change but I can tell you that it works nice. It also could solve a bit of your dragon type weakness without changing too much on the team.
Oh, and did I mention the popularity of Air Balloon Heatran leads?
Just voted for a "yes" Great Team
Hope I helped and good success with it.
Thank you for the rate,
Well i will try the HP Ice it would help me sweep Dragon teams. I will definitely try it out. HP Ground was there just because of Heatran and you were right.
If it shows to be successful i will surely put it in.
Why not Hidden Power [Rock] instead? At least you have insurance not only to the flying Dragons, but to Gyarados as well, and Gliscor and Landorus take serious damage with Fire Blast. However, in this case, if I were a Volcarona user, I would prefer Fiery Dance more than Fire Blast--a Fire-type Charge Beam is a bit more reliable than the off-putting accuracy of Fire Blast imho.
That's defenitely true. My Volcarona runs it as well - I didn't see that he goes with Fire Blast. That should be changed as well, because it not only can boost the awesome high SAtk it also is just a more reliable move because you can rape the opponents team without being worried your attacks might not hit. It's also the better move in the long run and the power drop does not matter that much. Most of the time you will attack after one or two quiver dances, so the loss in power is not worth to mention.
HP Rock is good for threats like Garados but I don't think it can 1HKO Garados after a Quiver Dance that in return could 1HKO Volcarona with Waterfall. Especially not vs. bulky garados variants. But if Garados might have taken some previous damage before (one switch into SR should be enough) then it could go down I guess.
It's personal preference, but only running HP Rock VS. Garados? I don't know if that is the right idea. Many other threats could be handled better with HP Ice because it hits them 4x super effective instead of 2x super effective.
It's personal preference I guess.
Thank you for your rates,
To be honest I was also thinking of changing HP Ground to either HP Ice or HP Rock. A +2 HP Rock set beats everything except multiscale-unbroken dragonite. An HP Ice set gets countered by gyarados and Heatran. That is a problem
In any case, I will test both variants.
WTF?
To be honest I was also thinking of changing HP Ground to either HP Ice or HP Rock. A +2 HP Rock set beats everything except multiscale-unbroken dragonite. An HP Ice set gets countered by gyarados and Heatran. That is a problem
In any case, I will test both variants.
WTF?