USM Ubers Analysis Index

[Cynara]

Reserving Gothorita

edit: dropping, not gonna have time

 

[Lotus]

Doing Alolan Muk because I can't go to sleep tonight but I really hope someone else will do Gothorita and Mega Metagross - we're almost there

 

[Oldamar999]

also reserving megagross. if able too
edit: actually, I pass.

 

[SacredLatias]

I can pick up MegaGross, if you will allow me to.

 

[Lotus]

Well that's now third time Mega Metagross is getting dropped so I'll eat it

Happy Thanksgiving btw

 

[WMAR]

Picking Up Gothorita to finish off the reserve list

 

[Lotus]

^ picking up

 

[Felixx]

Heard Klefki was the only thing left on the list, so taking that

 

[Nayrz]

With the recent VR update, Ribombee and Mega Lopunny are now due analyses. Due to their specialist nature it would be ideal if the user that takes either is well versed in their niches.

Once the forum is cleared of analyses in GP meaning we have something on site for every mon in Ubers, the QC will be re-evaluating our on-site analyses for potential revamps and additions in full.

 

[Felixx]

Gonna tackle Ribombee and M-Lop, been playing for a couple hours with both of them

 

[Luniitic]

I would like to reserve Groudon :3

 

[Nayrz]

Groudon isn't on the reservation list (it has one on-site at the moment).

Our reservation list is currently empty but when we (the QC team) do a round up of the mons that need further revamps we will post a list of them.

 

[Luniitic]

How About Tapu Koko -3-
It would nice to have a regular Groudon set and to give Groudon some recognition though, even though I already may have gave it a lot in the past week.

 

[Lotus]

How About Tapu Koko -3-
It would nice to have a regular Groudon set and to give Groudon some recognition though, even though I already may have gave it a lot in the past week.

Sorry but I am already doing it.
As Nayrz said there may be opportunities for new analyses once the subforum is empty.

 

[bigtalk]

Can an analysis be posted for SubCoilGlare Zygarde-C? (I'm willing to do a write-up if need be.)

 

[Lotus]

Can an analysis be posted for SubCoilGlare Zygarde-C? (I'm willing to do a write-up if need be.)

Information about Coil is already mentioned in the existing dex analysis and the possibility of using coil is already mentioned in various sets. The set holds some viability but we have decided to just integrate the idea about the set instead of making a dedicated write-up about it.

For those not aware, I have internally discussed with Nayrz some time ago and there won't be any write-ups available until the subforum is empty (or almost empty). I have been bringing up possible sets / Pokemon that can see updates and Nayrz will decide which ones will need write-ups at his discretion.

 

[bigtalk]

Think I found a mistake. For the Scizor analysis, it looks like we're missing IVs: 0 Spe in the set details.

 

[Lotus]

Think I found a mistake. For the Scizor analysis, it looks like we're missing IVs: 0 Spe in the set details.

• A Sassy nature and 0 Speed IVs make Mega Scizor almost guaranteed to go last when using U-turn, underspeeding defensive Necrozma-DM, Skarmory, and Blissey.

 

[bigtalk]

Lotus I meant in the exportable.

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- U-turn
- Toxic

 

[Lotus]

Submitted ivs: 0 Spe

 

[Lotus]

QC team has internally evaluated the most urgent analyses that need updates, and for now, Cynara is going to do a full revamp for Arceus-Fairy, and I am doing the same for Arceus-Ground.

 

[bigtalk]

Lotus Sorry to keep pestering you ;) Would like to point out some more things that can be improved with the Scizor analysis. First of all, the standard spread should be 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD to minimize rocks damage. I also think this part is misleading:

• Alternatively, 108 Attack EVs and a Brave nature can be used to ensure that Bullet Punch 2HKOes standard Geomancy Xerneas and Mega Gengar unboosted while 2HKOing defensive Xerneas, 2HKOing +1 Z-Geomancy Xerneas most of the time, and OHKOing Mega Gengar after a Swords Dance boost.
• An EV spread of 252 HP / 52 Atk / 204 SpD with a Sassy nature allows Scizor to achieve the above benchmarks but all after Stealth Rock damage.
• An EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Brave nature also allows Scizor to achieve those benchmarks after Stealth Rock damage. This spread sacrifices some bulk for the ability to retain the 2HKO on standard Geomancy Xerneas with Bullet Punch without Stealth Rock.

• 108+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 168 Def Xerneas: 194-230 (49.3 - 58.5%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
• 52 Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 168 Def Xerneas: 168-200 (42.7 - 50.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

I think we instead want

• Alternatively, an EV spread of 248 HP / 132 Atk / 128 SpD and a Brave nature can be used to ensure that Bullet Punch 2HKOes standard Geomancy Xerneas and Mega Gengar unboosted while 2HKOing defensive Xerneas, 2HKOing +1 Z-Geomancy Xerneas most of the time, and OHKOing Mega Gengar after a Swords Dance boost, while ensuring that Scizor survives +2 Focus Blast from Xerneas after Stealth Rock damage.
• An EV spread of 248 HP / 84 Atk / 176 SpD with a Sassy nature allows Scizor to achieve the above benchmarks but all after Stealth Rock damage.
• An EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Brave nature also allows Scizor to achieve those benchmarks after Stealth Rock damage. This spread sacrifices some bulk for the ability to retain the 2HKO on standard Geomancy Xerneas with Bullet Punch without Stealth Rock. (this just repeats the above para)

• 132+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 168 Def Xerneas: 198-234 (50.3 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 128 SpD Scizor-Mega: 255-300 (74.3 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
• 84 Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 168 Def Xerneas: 174-206 (44.2 - 52.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Minority]

Confirmed that 132+ Mega Scizor is required to get 100% 2HKO on standard Geo Xern without SR. No attack investment is sufficient to 2HKO Defensive Xern so I don't know what that's even mentioned. 152+ is required to 2HKO Z Geo if you're 2+ vs. 1+, which is hardly relevant. I'll staff edit this later if nobody has anything else to say.

 

[Nayrz]

We've decided to put further revamp review on hold until the UPL is concluded, as most revamped information will mainly come from its development.

I'd like to thank everyone who was involved in our C&C process and got our dex fully sorted out for the USM metagame. I'd also like to add a shoutout to Serial EKiller who has decided to step down from the QC team for his hard work to this point.

See you after UPL!

 

[Nayrz]

We're re-opening the thread with some new stuff that needs created. QC have also done a sweep of the S to A level mons in the meta and will be editing some smaller things on site over reworking them, which I'll have in hide tags of this post as a sort of "patch notes". B to D mons will also see attention afterwards. Also, Mysterious M has joined us in our times of manpower shortage. Luckily everything only needs maintaining! Here are the things we're in need of creating:

Necrozma-DM (Full revamp) < im gonna do this
after more thought we will just axe the utility SD set and add TR SD to replace DD + SR ultra

Set Additions:

Mega Salamence (Defensive)
Yveltal (Bulky Scarf)
Yveltal (Choice Band)
Rayquaza (Choice Scarf)

CMS Edited

Edits

Primal Groudon

- Set order changed: SR SD > Defensive SR > Mixed RP > Mixed SD > Offensive SR > DD
(was SR SD > Mixed RP > Offensive SR > Defensive SR > DD > Mixed SD)
- Max speed mentions added to SR SD
- Eruption 1st slash of Mixed SD slot 4
(was previously in Moves)

Mega Gengar

Offensive Trapper
- Thunder moved to 1st slash of slot 4
(was 2nd of slot 3)
- Small note added to say any combination of slots 3/4 are viable

Hex
- Sludge Bomb and Sludge Wave switched around
- Substitute moved to first option of slot 4
(was moves)
- various prose moving around / minor edits

Yveltal

Life Orb
- mentioned Metronome as an alternative item

Stallbreaker
- Switched Foul Play and Dark Pulse in order
- Dread Plate moved to set details, Leftovers moved to main item, Charti now 2nd slash
- Changed prose to accomodate

Choice Specs
- moved to the last set in the overall order

Zygarde

- Slashed Dragonium Z as a third item to Dragon Dance
- Small note that Sleep Talk is best to drop with a cleric (Defensive)

Arceus-Ground

Set order move: CM > Support > SD
(was SD > CM > Support)

Mega Salamence

Dragon Dance
- Deslashed Earthquake and Substitute
- Prose edits

Offensive Defog
- Facade only move in slot 4, Toxic to Moves, Earthquake cut entirely
- Some prose edited to match

Kyogre

Set reorder: switched CM Spout with Physical

Arceus-Normal

Extreme Killer
- Moved Earthquake to OO

Ho-Oh

Defensive
- Deslashed Flamethrower to Moves
- Added Whirlwind to Moves

Tank + Choice Band
- Added Defog to Moves

Magearna

- Switched Heal Bell and Pain Split (Bell is now #1)
- Added more prose about Heal Bell
- Moved Normalium Z to Set Details (was OO)

Arceus-Fairy

- Switched set order (CM is now #1)
- Thunder Wave now slashed with Earth Power on CM

<if some notes aren't reflected on the site yet its because they are pending GP approval>