UU offense - Rhydon sweep

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Scyther (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Aerial Ace
- Reversal
- Swords Dance
- Quick Attack
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Great lead. Most people so far haven't caught on to this. I almost always swords dance first turn as there is nothing that can break my sash right away besides hippo, and he isn't going to be doing much besides setting up SR. Reversal is an excellent choice for this set and works wonders against things that would try to wall it otherwise (Bastiodon, Steelix, etc). Technician Quick Attack is a pretty solid choice also. Helps me get a little extra damage on those priority revenge killers before I'm KO'd. If I'm lucky this takes out one or two pokemon before dying, sometimes more if I end up getting lucky and get somebody who's Scyther weak or somehow get an extra SD. Anything with thunder wave really doesn't like this set, though. Fuck Ambipom too. Luckily my Registeel takes the fake outs nicely assuming I don't get taunted after, but in that case I just explode on the u-turn and take out their stealth rocker or Registeel counter (Missy is a bitch).

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Drapion (F) @ Scope Lens
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 Atk
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Earthquake
- Cross Poison
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I have this guy for type coverage/a Shaymin counter but he doesn't really do much due to his mediocre movepool. Maybe I still need to get used to using him. I still think I should keep him though. Sometimes I get lucky and he scores me a few crits.

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Registeel @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/168 Atk/88 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Punch
- Toxic
- Explosion
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I like this a lot more than the Hippo I used to have here. He was a lot of fun but in the end it was just a gimmick and I had no reason to leave him in after I switched out my Kabutops. I'll usually bring him in after Scyther has died, or if the other team is leading with Ambipom.

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Shaymin @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Air Slash
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I like Shaymin a lot more than Glaceon (what I used to have here). I get walled by a few more threats due to less type coverage but this set is solid.

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Rhydon (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn
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My favorite part of the team. This poke is what usually wins the matches for me. Rock Polish is really not that hard to set up considering the fact that Rhydon has extremely bulky defenses. Once it is set up not much really stops him. The type coverage is excellent. This set is really effective for me if I've scouted a little bit and I bring him out mid to late game. Needless to say the 4x weaknesses hurt and Kabutops likes to revenge kill him a lot. I'd like to put something on my team that takes water attacks a little better, but I don't know what or where.

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Blaziken (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 76 Atk/212 Spd/220 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Superpower
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderpunch
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Best wall breaker in the tier. Not much to say. I put this here because I was running Charizard before and he was less than useless because of his stealth rock weakness. I am considering trying out a life orb set with some priority as this set doesn't really do much at all after attacking once due to the nature of the moves and the type of set.

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Okay, so this set has some Moltres issues, especially if it's an opener. Any suggestions as to what I could do to fix this?
 
If i whas you i would go for vaporeon instead of Glaceon,

Vaporeon with its water absorb handles alot and u could spec it and give HP grass or HP thunder for the ultimate revenge on water pokes.
 
Manny said:
If i whas you i would go for vaporeon instead of Glaceon,

Vaporeon with its water absorb handles alot and u could spec it and give HP grass or HP thunder for the ultimate revenge on water pokes.
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Man, didn't you noticed taht this time is UU, right? Well, it is. In UU vappy isn't allowed, so i recommend you a subseed shaymin in the place of kabutops, as you have a lot of choicers in thie team and this is saying "please set up on me", especially when the item is a scarf.
This team seems to have trouble to the heavy stall teams. Change your blaziken move set to:

Blaziken@Life orb
36spe/252SpA/220Atk
-Superpower
-Fire blast
-Hp Grass
-Vacuum wave

With this you can have the priority you lose when changin the kabutops to a shaymin and you can break the walls, and then finish the game with a succesfull rhydon sweep.
 
You've obviously never used your Glaceon much, because if it comes in to absorb sleep, and you use sleep talk, when it wakes up it has to switch thanks to choice specs.

Also, your hippo is set up fodder for anything with taunt or anything with sub. There are much better options for SR-with-bulk. Registeel is one of them. Depending on what you need, it has many different options. I suggest you try it out.

Your team also has a weakness to Slowbro, so I agree with Lorerer about the shaymin, and subseed looks fine to me.

Your Blaziken isn't gonna sweep anytime soon, unless it's very late game, but you say it's a mixed sweeper, which doesn't bode well with it's choice scarf. Change that to a Life Orb or Expert Belt.

You have no answer to SubMissy, which sets up on a Glaceon Choiced HP Fighting, a Blaziken choiced Superpower, and Hippo. You have no answer to it once it CM's once or twice. I suggest SD Drapion with Pursuit to change this.
 
Hippo adds sandstorm, which helps rhydon sweeping time a lot. It's just like a Hippowdon starter and then a rhyperior for endgame in the OU tier.
 
Lorerer said:
Hippo adds sandstorm, which helps rhydon sweeping time a lot. It's just like a Hippowdon starter and then a rhyperior for endgame in the OU tier.
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So he has a Hippo out, I send in a Missy, sub up, then sweep.

It doesn't matter if it helps Rhydon sweep, it helps Missy sweep more.

If he wants Hippo there, then fine, give it an attack to at least do SOMETHING to Missy
 
I tried a few of the suggestions. I switched out Kabutops for a standard SD Drapion set. I also switched out Hippo for Registeel because without Kabutops there was even less of a reason to leave him in. I might try out the non-choice Blaziken and subseed Shaymin after I see how my team performs with the changes.
 
Azumaril with Aqua Jet can kill off both of your sweepers. Hell, any average-speed water-type with Surf can kill Rhydon, and if it can take one hit from Blaziken's Thunderpunch (like Gastrodon or Lanturn), the chicken is fried, too.

Like other people mentioned, so many Choice-users will just cause things like Drifblim, Mismagius, or almost anything else to switch in on a resisted/immune attack and set up. Speaking of the Ghost-types, they're huge threats to you, as you have only 1 attack that's 2x effective against Ghost. You're going to have a hell of a time breaking their Substitutes.
 
@Scyther: you get screwed if your opponent is running a Fake Out Ambipom. Not only does it break your Sash, but you're in a position where Ambipom can kill you the following turn.

@Hippopotas: There are much better Stealth Rockers out there than Hippopotas. Registeel, for instance, can do basically everything Hippopotas does better and with more defenses, speed, and attack too. In addition, Yawn and Toxic is slightly redundant. You can't both sleep and poison your opponents, and Hippopotas will become easy setup fodder for many Pokemon.

@Glaceon: It's a little slow in my opinion to be a sweeper without being passed an Agility or two. I suggest either adding an Agility passer (which would also help Kabutops and allow it to use either a Choice Band or Life Orb instead of Scarf) or changing Glaceon to a faster sweeper. Moltres and Espeon are good picks.
 
I updated some stuff and it fixed a lot of the issues I had. I've been winning quite a few matches with the new stuff I tried out. Definitely a lot better than before.

One thing:

dachickens said:
@Scyther: you get screwed if your opponent is running a Fake Out Ambipom. Not only does it break your Sash, but you're in a position where Ambipom can kill you the following turn.
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This was probably a valid criticism before (I think I just switched into Rhydon and hoped they weren't running Brick Break or something), but Registeel is a really good counter to Ambipom. I actually get kind of excited when I see one as a lead now.

Also I guess "mixed sweeper" was the wrong term to describe Blaziken. It was really late when I typed that. He's really more like my wallbreaker.
 
air slash > hp fire on shaymin. Fire Blast > Overheat so you can sweep late game with your fire move. I'd also throw your hp evs on shaymin into sp. atk
 
panamaxis said:
air slash > hp fire on shaymin. Fire Blast > Overheat so you can sweep late game with your fire move. I'd also throw your hp evs on shaymin into sp. atk
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I just changed the moves as they do seem like much better options (I hardly ever used HP Fire on Shaymin). I am not so sure about removing the HP EVs on Shaymin due to the type of set it is but I'll try it out and see how it works out.
 
I'm just confused, but why does Drappion have Special Attacker EVs. If he actually has those, I can understand why he isn't working.
 
randumb said:
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Drapion (F) @ Scope Lens
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Earthquake
- Cross Poison
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I have this guy for type coverage/a Shaymin counter but he doesn't really do much due to his mediocre movepool. Maybe I still need to get used to using him. I still think I should keep him though. Sometimes I get lucky and he scores me a few crits.
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I suggest instead of Battle armor on this to get one with sniper. Also, I'd change the Nature to Jolly (+Spd - SpAtk). Mainly because most of the moves you'll be doing are attack moves. Also, Prioritize on Drapion's OK defense. Unless you switch her into an earthquake or some other stupid move you'll survive a turn or more. I would drop Cross poison and get Ice Fang so you can hit some flying types too. Because of The ability Sniper your critical hits get boosted. Coupled with a scope lense, STAB Night slash, and it's High crit ratio you'll be doing a good amout of damage.

That is all I can say for your Drapion =3

-JC
 
Yeah I must have been editing my team and changed a poke and forgot to change the EVs/nature. Could possibly explain the problems I'm having with it!
 
randumb said:
Yeah I must have been editing my team and changed a poke and forgot to change the EVs/nature. Could possibly explain the problems I'm having with it!
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Well what are your current problems with It? Does it get walled? Do you fail to get any good attacks off with her? You didn't really specify other than "She is Difficult to use".

-JC
 
I left the nature to -attack +speed (my previous pokemon used that nature and I never changed it) and I had 252 satk EVs instead of attack for some reason (probably left it there from the previous one). I also forgot to change the ability.
 
zach the great said:
Replace Drapion with Toxicroak. It has the same type coverage and more.

Also, the Timid nature isnt a good idea
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I considered Toxicroak but his defenses are too poor compared to Drapion's and his base speed is mediocre. When you take into account that it's supposed to be a Shaymin counter it becomes hard to swallow.
 
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