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The UU Speed Tiers have come a long way but there is still a lot of work to be done. Many questionable Pokemon are still up, and a large number in this thread still need a second opinion before they are removed. UU is one of the least stable tiers so will probably need more constant attention to keep it up to date, if a new set becomes popular and useful or an old one drops out of common play I expect it to be posted here!
Please post Pokemon and sets that you think should be added or removed, preferably with a sentence or so of reasoning explaining why the Pokemon is threatening and common enough and should be added, or is not useful/used and should be removed. I or another C&C mod will edit the list of sets to add/remove with suggestions based on support and experience, and once they have been left for comment for a fair amount of time they will be edited into the on site speed tiers.
Most recent UU usage stats are here, detailed stats are here.
Posts expressing support for/disagreement with other people's posts are also encouraged.
Format:
Speed Stat / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature / Boost / Ev Investment
(for removals, you don't need to stick precisely to that format so long as it is clear which set you want removed)
Possible removals:
493 / Persian / 115 / Neutral / +1 / 252
478 / Mantine / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 252
478 / Espeon / 110 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Jynx / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
352 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 0
350 / Espeon / 110 / +Speed / None / 252
339 / Dugtrio / 120 / Neutral / None / 252
329 / Floatzel / 115 / Neutral / None / 252
329 / Raikou / 115 / Neutral / None / 252
299 / Linoone / 100 / Neutral / None / 252
262 / Poliwrath / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
223 / Gorebyss / 52 / +Speed / None / 252
216 / Hitmontop / 70 / Neutral / None / 160
206 / Toxicroak / 85 / Neutral / 0
196 / Shedinja / 40 / +Speed / None / 252
Possible additions:
524 / Ludicolo / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
463 / Rotom / 91 / +Speed / +1 / 252
459 / Moltres / 90 / +Speed / +1 / 252
392 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +2 / 252
343 / Ursaring / 55 / +Speed / +1 / 252
343 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Speed / +1 / 252
200 / Milotic / 81 / Neutral / None / 8
199 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / None / 252
178 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 48
405 / Linoone / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 136
398 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / +2 / 252
279 / Kangaskhan / 90 / Neutral / 252
Please post Pokemon and sets that you think should be added or removed, preferably with a sentence or so of reasoning explaining why the Pokemon is threatening and common enough and should be added, or is not useful/used and should be removed. I or another C&C mod will edit the list of sets to add/remove with suggestions based on support and experience, and once they have been left for comment for a fair amount of time they will be edited into the on site speed tiers.
Most recent UU usage stats are here, detailed stats are here.
Posts expressing support for/disagreement with other people's posts are also encouraged.
Format:
Speed Stat / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature / Boost / Ev Investment
(for removals, you don't need to stick precisely to that format so long as it is clear which set you want removed)
Possible removals:
493 / Persian / 115 / Neutral / +1 / 252
478 / Mantine / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 252
478 / Espeon / 110 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Jynx / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
352 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 0
350 / Espeon / 110 / +Speed / None / 252
339 / Dugtrio / 120 / Neutral / None / 252
329 / Floatzel / 115 / Neutral / None / 252
329 / Raikou / 115 / Neutral / None / 252
299 / Linoone / 100 / Neutral / None / 252
262 / Poliwrath / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
223 / Gorebyss / 52 / +Speed / None / 252
216 / Hitmontop / 70 / Neutral / None / 160
206 / Toxicroak / 85 / Neutral / 0
196 / Shedinja / 40 / +Speed / None / 252
Possible additions:
524 / Ludicolo / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
463 / Rotom / 91 / +Speed / +1 / 252
459 / Moltres / 90 / +Speed / +1 / 252
392 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +2 / 252
343 / Ursaring / 55 / +Speed / +1 / 252
343 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Speed / +1 / 252
200 / Milotic / 81 / Neutral / None / 8
199 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / None / 252
178 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 48
405 / Linoone / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 136
398 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / +2 / 252
279 / Kangaskhan / 90 / Neutral / 252
Removed:
524 / Mantine / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
502 / Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / +2 / 252
475 / Houndoom / 95 / +Speed / +1 / 252
463 / Scyther / 105 / Neutral / +1 / 252
459 / Mr. Mime / 90 / +Speed / +1 / 252
448 / Miltank / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252
448 / Ninetales / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Houndoom / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Sharpedo / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
403 / Gligar / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252
376 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252
376 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252
376 / Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / +1 / 252
360 / Clefable / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
360 / Wailord / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
349 / Hypno / 67 / Neutral / +1 / 252
348 / Sudowoodo / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252
348 / Sunflora / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252
343 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / +1 / 252
328 / Linoone / 100 / +Speed / None / 252
328 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / +1 / 252
328 / Wailord/ 60 / Neutral / +1 / 252
322 / Raticate / 97 / +Speed / None / 252
310 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / +1 / 252
298 / Mawile / 50 / Neutral / +1 / 252
289 / Yanmega / 95 / Neutral / None / 252
284 / Arbok / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
284 / Glalie / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
284 / Phione / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
283 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / +1 / 252
279 / Vigoroth / 90 / Neutral / None / 252
264 / Yanmega / 95 / Neutral / None / 152
262 / Luxray / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
262 / Solrock / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
258 / Exploud / 68 / +Speed / None / 252
258 / Seaking / 68 / +Speed / None / 252
256 / Hypno / 67 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Beautifly / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Chimecho / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Dustox / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Flareon / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Pelipper / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Seviper / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Walrein / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Clefable / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Lapras / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Masquerain / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Wailord / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Weezing / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Whiscash / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Swalot / 55 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Banette / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Beautifly / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Chimecho / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Dustox / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Flareon / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Pelipper / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Seviper / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Lapras / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Masquerain / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Wailord / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Weezing / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Whiscash / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
218 / Sableye / 50 / +Speed / None / 252
209 / Swalot / 55 / Neutral / None / 252
207 / Armaldo / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Dunsparce / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Golem / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Granbull / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
189 / Armaldo / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Dunsparce / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Golem / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Granbull / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
179 / Kecleon / 40 / Neutral / None / 252
179 / Probopass / 40 / Neutral / None / 252
176 / Dewgong / 70 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Banette / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Beautifly / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Chimecho / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Dustox / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Flareon / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Pelipper / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Seviper / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
156 / Masquerain / 60 / Neutral / None / 0
156 / Whiscash / 60 / Neutral / None / 0
146 / Swalot / 55 / Neutral / None / 0
136 / Sableye / 50 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Dunsparce / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Golem / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Granbull / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
116 / Kecleon / 40 / Neutral / None / 0
116 / Probopass / 40 / Neutral / None / 0
106 / Corsola / 35 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Bastiodon / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Magcargo / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Parasect / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Sudowoodo / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
Removed by September:
508 / Rapidash / 105 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Rapidash sets)
448 / Raichu / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Raichu sets)
436 / Bellossom / 50 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Bellossom sets)
436 / Vileplume / 50 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Vileplume sets)
433 / Xatu / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Xatu sets)
426 / Grumpig / 80 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Grumpig sets)
403 / Girafarig / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Girafarig sets)
403 / Golduck / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Golduck sets)
378 / Armaldo / 45 / Neutral / +2 / 252 (And all other Armaldo sets)
376 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Glaceon sets)
376 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Banette sets)
373 / Kingler / 75 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Kingler sets)
349 / Hypno / 67 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Hypno sets)
348 / Sudowoodo / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Sudowoodo sets)
348 / Sunflora / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Sunflora sets)
339 / Manectric / 105 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Manectric sets)
328 / Ninetales / 100 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Ninetales sets)
322 / Raticate / 97 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Raticate sets)
313 / Relicanth / 55 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Relicanth sets)
313 / Crawdaunt / 55 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Crawdaunt sets)
310 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Octillery sets)
306 / Mr.Mime / 90 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Mr.Mine sets)
298 / Mawile / 50 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Mawile sets)
284 / Arbok / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Arbok sets)
284 / Gardevoir / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Gardevoir sets)
284 / Glalie / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Glalie sets)
284 / Medicham / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Medicham sets)
239 / Butterfree / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Butterfree sets)
239 / Lunatone / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Lunatone sets)
239 / Mightyena / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Mightyena sets)
239 / Noctowl / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Noctowl sets)
239 / Politoed / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Politoed sets)
492 / Charizard / 100 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Charizard sets)
306 / Kangaskhan / 90 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Kangaskhan sets)
524 / Mantine / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
502 / Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / +2 / 252
475 / Houndoom / 95 / +Speed / +1 / 252
463 / Scyther / 105 / Neutral / +1 / 252
459 / Mr. Mime / 90 / +Speed / +1 / 252
448 / Miltank / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252
448 / Ninetales / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Houndoom / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
433 / Sharpedo / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252
403 / Gligar / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252
376 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252
376 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252
376 / Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / +1 / 252
360 / Clefable / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
360 / Wailord / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
349 / Hypno / 67 / Neutral / +1 / 252
348 / Sudowoodo / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252
348 / Sunflora / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252
343 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / +1 / 252
328 / Linoone / 100 / +Speed / None / 252
328 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / +1 / 252
328 / Wailord/ 60 / Neutral / +1 / 252
322 / Raticate / 97 / +Speed / None / 252
310 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / +1 / 252
298 / Mawile / 50 / Neutral / +1 / 252
289 / Yanmega / 95 / Neutral / None / 252
284 / Arbok / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
284 / Glalie / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
284 / Phione / 80 / +Speed / None / 252
283 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / +1 / 252
279 / Vigoroth / 90 / Neutral / None / 252
264 / Yanmega / 95 / Neutral / None / 152
262 / Luxray / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
262 / Solrock / 70 / +Speed / None / 252
258 / Exploud / 68 / +Speed / None / 252
258 / Seaking / 68 / +Speed / None / 252
256 / Hypno / 67 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Beautifly / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Chimecho / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Dustox / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Flareon / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Pelipper / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Seviper / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
251 / Walrein / 65 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Clefable / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Lapras / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Masquerain / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Wailord / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Weezing / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
240 / Whiscash / 60 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Swalot / 55 / +Speed / None / 252
229 / Banette / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Beautifly / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Chimecho / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Dustox / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Flareon / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Pelipper / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Seviper / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
229 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Lapras / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Masquerain / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Wailord / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Weezing / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
219 / Whiscash / 60 / Neutral / None / 252
218 / Sableye / 50 / +Speed / None / 252
209 / Swalot / 55 / Neutral / None / 252
207 / Armaldo / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Dunsparce / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Golem / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Granbull / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
207 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / None / 252
189 / Armaldo / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Dunsparce / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Golem / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Granbull / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
189 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / None / 252
179 / Kecleon / 40 / Neutral / None / 252
179 / Probopass / 40 / Neutral / None / 252
176 / Dewgong / 70 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Banette / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Beautifly / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Chimecho / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Dustox / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Flareon / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Glaceon / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Pelipper / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Seviper / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
166 / Walrein / 65 / Neutral / None / 0
156 / Masquerain / 60 / Neutral / None / 0
156 / Whiscash / 60 / Neutral / None / 0
146 / Swalot / 55 / Neutral / None / 0
136 / Sableye / 50 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Dunsparce / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Golem / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Granbull / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
126 / Octillery / 45 / Neutral / None / 0
116 / Kecleon / 40 / Neutral / None / 0
116 / Probopass / 40 / Neutral / None / 0
106 / Corsola / 35 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Bastiodon / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Magcargo / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Parasect / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
96 / Sudowoodo / 30 / Neutral / None / 0
Removed by September:
508 / Rapidash / 105 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Rapidash sets)
448 / Raichu / 100 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Raichu sets)
436 / Bellossom / 50 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Bellossom sets)
436 / Vileplume / 50 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Vileplume sets)
433 / Xatu / 95 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Xatu sets)
426 / Grumpig / 80 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Grumpig sets)
403 / Girafarig / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Girafarig sets)
403 / Golduck / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Golduck sets)
378 / Armaldo / 45 / Neutral / +2 / 252 (And all other Armaldo sets)
376 / Glaceon / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Glaceon sets)
376 / Banette / 65 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Banette sets)
373 / Kingler / 75 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Kingler sets)
349 / Hypno / 67 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Hypno sets)
348 / Sudowoodo / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Sudowoodo sets)
348 / Sunflora / 30 / +Speed / +2 / 252 (And all other Sunflora sets)
339 / Manectric / 105 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Manectric sets)
328 / Ninetales / 100 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Ninetales sets)
322 / Raticate / 97 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Raticate sets)
313 / Relicanth / 55 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Relicanth sets)
313 / Crawdaunt / 55 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Crawdaunt sets)
310 / Octillery / 45 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Octillery sets)
306 / Mr.Mime / 90 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Mr.Mine sets)
298 / Mawile / 50 / Neutral / +1 / 252 (And all other Mawile sets)
284 / Arbok / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Arbok sets)
284 / Gardevoir / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Gardevoir sets)
284 / Glalie / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Glalie sets)
284 / Medicham / 80 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Medicham sets)
239 / Butterfree / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Butterfree sets)
239 / Lunatone / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Lunatone sets)
239 / Mightyena / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Mightyena sets)
239 / Noctowl / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Noctowl sets)
239 / Politoed / 70 / Neutral / None / 252 (And all other Politoed sets)
492 / Charizard / 100 / +Speed / +1 / 252 (And all other Charizard sets)
306 / Kangaskhan / 90 / +Speed / None / 252 (And all other Kangaskhan sets)