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Hi, solid looking team and grats on the 1k

All the cool kids are suggesting bulk up breloom, so I was wondering if you've tried it out over celebi...

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Seed Bomb

Counters sciz-tom about as well as celebi, and spore is always a bonus, but loom is a bit slower
 
Hi. I like the idea of this team and I have something similar to it with the celebi + magnezone combo except with some different 'mons. Seeing as you're only planning on using this team casually, there are only a few changes that I want to recommend. I really like the idea of magnezone and celebi being able to remove some 'mons that are a pain, but it seems that you might have a difficult time doing so. I think once your opponent sees that you happen to pack magnezone along with haxorus / terrakion, they are bound to play a bit more cautiously with skarmory or anything else that may be a pain in your side. I think that trying a different set on celebi would get rid of this problem all together. Seeing as you don't pack stealth rock, I think that if you try and run a set with stealth rock / u-turn / leaf storm / recover, with maximum hp and defense alongside a bold nature, it would be useful for this team.

U-turn support is extremely useful with magnezone. Seeing as threats such as scizor and skarmory stop your team members like haxorus, scizor, and terrakion from sweeping dead in their tracks, u-turn would be very useful. Celebi is now able to u-turn out of relatively common switchins such as scizor, or even more importantly, skarmory into magnezone. If you are able to eliminate your opponent's steel types early on in the match, haxorus will be able to have a field day with even the most defensively based teams. Stealth rock on celebi also allows haxorus to easily 2HKO max hp / max defense skarmory with a +3 outrage as you do not pack draco plate, although you do not run screen support so it is going to be a lot harder to get that many boosts easily. As for some other changes, I would try and opt for a timid nature with max speed on magnezone at least. Swords dance scizor that happen to run some speed evs would be able to outrun you and ko with superpower otherwise. Congrats on 999 posts.
 
lol at the time of posting I had 1k posts, one must have gotten deleted somewhere. Anyways thanks everybody for the suggestions, I'll certainly have a lot of testing to do for the final slot.
 
You of all people should know what you're doing. Not even gonna bother doing a full rate. However, I think it may be worth giving SubSD Terrakion a shot in place of Double Booster. In my opiniong, SubSD Terrakion is the single most powerful sweeper in OU at the moment. Not even the likes of Scizor can safely revenge kill it, because its just gonna hit a Substitute and be dispatched by Close Combat. Terrakion also has a much easier time setting up, and doesn't have to be worried about Blissey Toxicing it or something as your opponent predicts a Swords Dance.
 
Cool team, Smith ;d I've dabbled with nonconventional HO team such as yours, so I can truly appreciate your endeavor.

I think Magnezone should lose its Choice Specs. Being locked into the wrong move is just too dangerous for this team; I don't think the extra damage from Choice Specs is all that worth it. IMO, your team already has enough fire power to break through most Steel-types on its own, Magnezone's main job is most likely removing Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress, which does not require much Special Attack to accomplish. To compensate for the loss of firepower you can try Metal Sound over Volt Switch. Unlike Charge Beam, it provides you a much more reliable and quicker way to damage specially-defensive Steels. Metal Sound can even allow Magnezone to have a chance at beating Blissey if it is healthy enough.

Leftovers is the preferred item here to maintain Magnezone's health long enough for it to take advantage of the special drops. However another interesting option is Chople Berry, because it would prevent fast SD Scizor from surprise-killing your Magnezone and then proceed to fuck over the rest of the team. With Chople Berry, Magnezone can survive anything up to +1 LO Superpower from an Adamant Scizor.

As far as the lost slot goes, I'm not a fan of Celebi... its too much of a set-up bait. This team, due to lack of scarfers / strong priority users is prone to being swept by Starmie or QD Volcarona. Tornadus's Tailwind helps, but him alone is insufficient imo. You may want to try Rotom-W instead of Celebi. Rotom-W provides the team with a useful Water, Fire, Ice, and Ground resist. You can invest enough special bulk to survive a +1 Bug Buzz and Thunder Wave Volcarona. Celebi provided some coverage against Conkeldurr, but I believe your team is fast-paced enough to overwhelm Conkeldurr before it can Bulk Up too many times. Rotom-W can Volt Switch out to provide some favorable match-ups, too (ie Tornadus vs Celebi, Terrakion vs Blissey, Terrakion / Magnezone vs Ferrothorn)

Rotom-W @ Leftovers | Levitate
Modest | 252 HP / 140 SpA / 116 SpD
Volt Switch / Hydro Pump / Hidden Power [Grass] / Thunder Wave

Rotom-W comfortably survives a Modest +1 Bug Buzz (69-81%) from Volcarona. Rotom-W's HP Grass has a good chance of 2-shotting Gastrodon, doing a minimum of 50%.

I also second New World Order's suggestion of Sub Dance Terrakion. Substitute not only shields Terrakion from revenge killers, but also eases prediction and protects Terrakion from status. Even with Life Orb, having that 25% Substitute comes in surprisingly handy in dismantling teams, although you would want to use Substitute sparingly (only use it when it really counts).

Thanks for sharing this team, Smith. Have fun!
 
Brilliant team, obviously. I love the use of dual Double Dancers, and that Tornadus is awesome. However, there's a conspicuous lack of entry hazards. Just Stealth Rock would probably help you gain more KOs, so I suggest a slight alteration. Try a Celebi set of Stealth Rock, Leaf Storm, Earth Power/HP Fire, Recover. Use a LO and Modest nature, and probably the same EVs you have now. Leaf Storm is incredibly powerful, while the coverage move lets you deal with whichever Steel yo find more threatening, Heatran or Ferrothorn/Scizor. I feel you have the latter two covered really well by Magnezone, but you'll know what troubles you more than me. TWave probably isn' needed, your team is decently fast and has Tailwind, and you seem to be doing fine without a need for TWave. Recover because you'll obviously need recovery with LO damage and no Giga Drain, and it turns Celebi into a threatening tank.

Congrats on the 1k! I don't really know you, but I've seen you around and you seem like a cool guy.
 
Hey Smith did another RMT :) This team is obviously fairly solid and cool, even if it does have *grumblegaystupidlamebshaxorus+magnezonegrr* a certain annoying quality. However, it does look pretty weak to Scizor, Iron Head Jirachi and so on, even with Magnezone, because a smart opponent can play around it fairly easily when you have no other switch in options. Just to patch this up I'd second the suggestion of Rotom-W > Celebi made somewhere up there ^^^

About Magnezone - you had some concerns with it being set up fodder. I'd just use Life Orb with your current moveset, since you can afford to sacrifice some survivability on a pokemon which usually takes very few hits during a match, and especially if you take the Rotom-W idea.

That's about all I can suggest, congrats on the 1001 posts and a nice team :)
 
Cool team, not much can set up on your sweepers, and the stuff that can is checked for the most part. But I really don't like Celebi here...you don't have stealth rock and dragonite is really going to be bad news for you. Celebi also gives an unnecessary free switch for something like Blissey. Breloom is cool, but it still leaves you weak to Dragonite. I would go with something like SD Hp Ice Virizion or even CM Virizion here. Amazing stall killer with haxorus and still takes water moves really well. Lacking SR still sucks because defensive nite can still setup, but Virizion makes your team alot less susceptible to being forced out by Blissey or being set up on by nite for free. Scizor should handle those anyway. Occa alone isn't the best without SR on your side since nite can just fire punch while you do very little with bp and kill you next time.
 
personally i like to play around with HP ice to hitDragonite/LAti@s and earth power for great coverage but thats just me, altrhough I reccomend it. Also I think Smogon recommends some bulky set with Like 236? i think HP EVS.
LAso I second NWO's decision to run sub SD terrakion, Im not quite sure how that is countered. ALso, I would run gliscor over tornadus as It battles sand teams (ACroBat). As of now, your whole team has issues with rotom and scizor.
 
i see a lot of set up mons. i would recommend using a screener like azelf.

azelf @ light clay
levitate
jolly
252 HP | 4 att | 252 speed
- light screen
- reflect
- stealth rock
- u-turn
 
Thanks for the comments everybody! I'll update the OP in a bit, but I am now using a modified Tinkerbell-esque Celebi over the current one, and I am ENAMORED with Metal Sound Magnezone. I've decided to keep Terrakion on the current set due to the overwhelming popularity of Scarf Landorus, however. I'll have the OP updated sometime tomorrow, I think.
 
I've (been) slaughtered (by) this team numerous times so I know it pretty well and I've always thought that you need more speed EVs on Magnezone, 176 to be exact. This outspeeds most fast SD Scizor variants, as well as specially defensive Heatran, who you potentially 2HKO with Thunderbolt [45.9% - 53.9%], making it alot easier for Celebi to sweep. Speaking of Celebi, he really needs to be alot bulkier; whenever I beat this team, it was usually pressure from water-type attackers under rain that were the game-winner. Using an EV spread of 184 HP / 220 SAtk / 36 SDef / 68 Spd with a Modest nature and Recover > Psychic (the latter of which is really only good for Conkeldurr, who you have covered with Tornadus and who loses to a couple +2 Giga Drains anyway) should fix this problem. It also helps you set up vs. Ferrothorn, whose Gyro Balls actually hit you pretty hard with your current spread. If this solution doesn't appeal to you, try running Scarf Scizor over your current set. This makes it alot easier to deal with alot of special attackers - LO Starmie, Tornadus, Gengar, Lati@s, and Alakazam, to name a few.

hope this helped lol!!!!!!!! congrats on the 1k
 
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