VGC 2024 Regulation G Metagame Discussion

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[fishandnothing]

anyone remember that uhh calyrex ice and mimikyu stuff from the restricted format 3 years ago where people would use mimikyu for reliable trickroom setup and then shadow sneak their own calyrex to pop its weakness policy and then sweep
i think that strategy/idea could also work now and i have been testing it and it seems ok :D lmk if anyone else tries it and how it goes for u

 

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anyone remember that uhh calyrex ice and mimikyu stuff from the restricted format 3 years ago where people would use mimikyu for reliable trickroom setup and then shadow sneak their own calyrex to pop its weakness policy and then sweep
i think that strategy/idea could also work now and i have been testing it and it seems ok :D lmk if anyone else tries it and how it goes for u

If you can beat incin first then it could actually work

 

[iPetBigfoot]

anyone remember that uhh calyrex ice and mimikyu stuff from the restricted format 3 years ago where people would use mimikyu for reliable trickroom setup and then shadow sneak their own calyrex to pop its weakness policy and then sweep
i think that strategy/idea could also work now and i have been testing it and it seems ok :D lmk if anyone else tries it and how it goes for u

The problem with that is that Clear Amulet as an item is just more consistent and then you can use a real Pokemon instead of Mimikyu. That might be better in double restricted where you can run something else for Incineroar.

 

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The problem with that is that Clear Amulet as an item is just more consistent and then you can use a real Pokemon instead of Mimikyu. That might be better in double restricted where you can run something else for Incineroar.

Real

 

[Pengu]

Since this thread is dead, might as well try and bring it back to life.
So I stumbled upon some Reddit post and it caught my attention. I present to you: Flamigo. Let me explain.

META STANDPOINT
Looking at this Pokemon, you don't expect much at all. Just a wee little bird after all. But behind that disguise lurks a pretty... niche pick (you though I'd say amazing, right?). But in all seriousness, this Pokemon is like Mienshao's forgotten child. With Scrappy, Flamigo is immune to Intimidate while hitting annoying Ghost-type Gholdengo for super effective damage with Close Combat thanks to this ability. Brave Bird functions as a nice STAB option to be clicked against opponents such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss.
The reason I call this bird "Mienshao's forgotten child" is because it lacks one factor: immunity to flinching. This is what prevents Flamigo from actually doing something. Fake Out just destroys its momentum and if Flamigo gets hit by even anything, its potential is basically ruined. But wait, there is a shining light...

This is the item that launches Flamigo into the slightest bit of viability. With Scarppy+Covert Cloak, Flamigo is able to have "Inner Focus". Although it highly appreciates the Focus Sash item, the ability to ignore flinches from Fake Out AND any move drops (icy wind, electroweb, etc) AND have availability to not run Tera Ghost! I mean, you could run Focus Sash and not Tera Ghost, yet this turns Flamigo into more of a semi-check to Incineroar and Rillaboom.

THE SET

BIRB (Flamigo) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground (you'll see in the 'partners' section)
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpDef / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Wide Guard
-Protect
Okay, just a quick covering of why each move is here and what it applies and also covering the EVs.
First up is Tera Ground, which as I mentioned, you'll find out later (trust). Anyways, we'll start with the moves. Brave Bird is really powerful in hitting Grass- and Fighting-types such as Rillaboom, Amoonguss, Mienshao and the Urshifu formes. Close Combat is also super powerful, but instead hits Dark- and Normal-types like Incineroar, Chi-Yu, Ursaluna-BM, and Terapagos. Wide Guard has so many applications, and it is invaluable in this format. It completely eliminates the threat of Calyrex-I, as they only pack Glacial Lance and High Horsepower, which are covered by Flamigo's typing and Wide Guard, respectively. It does so much more as well, which will be touched up a bit more on later on. Finally, its Protect. What else should I say? Let's go over the EVs. The only thing I really went for is the Speed which, under Tailwind, is able to outspeed +1 252 Timid Flutter Mane (basically sash flutter under sun) this is just absurd, honestly. I then proceeded to max out Flamigo's attack and dumped the rest into bulk.

PARTNERS
First and foremost, let us go over restricted pairings. And, realistically speaking, only one *VIABLE* (so no zekrom) restricted can abuse Flamigo to its full potential. That Pokemon is known as...

Miraidon is a strong and prevalent threat in Regulation G. But there are two things it can struggle with. One: Spread Moves. To keep it simple here, a powerful Astral Barrage and especially Glacial Lance can knock this dragon out of course. Two: Grass-types. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Rillaboom are able to save their allies while being bulky enough to take hits (saving their allies as in healing and redirection). To cover the first issue, Flamigo gets Wide Guard, which is a great move in this format, covering Miriadon's weakness to spread attacks. For the second issue, Brave Bird is able to seriously damage the opposing Grass-types in Miraidon's way, allowing for Miraidon to better sweep through teams while having a supportive partner that actually does damage. Finally, Specs Miraidon in particular is able to spam Discharge next to Tera Ground Flamigo, allowing for a follow up to Miraidon's super charged attack.

Now we'll do a non-restricted partner which fits well with the pairing of Flamigo and Miraidon, which speaking of, the next Pokemon up is...

Whimsicott is a premier partner for Miraidon in many ways. From instant Tailwind support to Encore locking, this Pokemon works great with these two. I'm going to keep this short, as this post is way too long already. But anyway, this just felt like a easy pick, especially when considering the planning for my Flamigo spread.


FINAL DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that the pink bird is good, just I think it could have a small little space in the meta.​

 

[LeonLeeds]

Since this thread is dead, might as well try and bring it back to life.
So I stumbled upon some Reddit post and it caught my attention. I present to you: Flamigo. Let me explain.

META STANDPOINT
Looking at this Pokemon, you don't expect much at all. Just a wee little bird after all. But behind that disguise lurks a pretty... niche pick (you though I'd say amazing, right?). But in all seriousness, this Pokemon is like Mienshao's forgotten child. With Scrappy, Flamigo is immune to Intimidate while hitting annoying Ghost-type Gholdengo for super effective damage with Close Combat thanks to this ability. Brave Bird functions as a nice STAB option to be clicked against opponents such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss.
The reason I call this bird "Mienshao's forgotten child" is because it lacks one factor: immunity to flinching. This is what prevents Flamigo from actually doing something. Fake Out just destroys its momentum and if Flamigo gets hit by even anything, its potential is basically ruined. But wait, there is a shining light...

This is the item that launches Flamigo into the slightest bit of viability. With Scarppy+Covert Cloak, Flamigo is able to have "Inner Focus". Although it highly appreciates the Focus Sash item, the ability to ignore flinches from Fake Out AND any move drops (icy wind, electroweb, etc) AND have availability to not run Tera Ghost! I mean, you could run Focus Sash and not Tera Ghost, yet this turns Flamigo into more of a semi-check to Incineroar and Rillaboom.

THE SET

BIRB (Flamigo) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground (you'll see in the 'partners' section)
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpDef / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Wide Guard
-Protect
Okay, just a quick covering of why each move is here and what it applies and also covering the EVs.
First up is Tera Ground, which as I mentioned, you'll find out later (trust). Anyways, we'll start with the moves. Brave Bird is really powerful in hitting Grass- and Fighting-types such as Rillaboom, Amoonguss, Mienshao and the Urshifu formes. Close Combat is also super powerful, but instead hits Dark- and Normal-types like Incineroar, Chi-Yu, Ursaluna-BM, and Terapagos. Wide Guard has so many applications, and it is invaluable in this format. It completely eliminates the threat of Calyrex-I, as they only pack Glacial Lance and High Horsepower, which are covered by Flamigo's typing and Wide Guard, respectively. It does so much more as well, which will be touched up a bit more on later on. Finally, its Protect. What else should I say? Let's go over the EVs. The only thing I really went for is the Speed which, under Tailwind, is able to outspeed +1 252 Timid Flutter Mane (basically sash flutter under sun) this is just absurd, honestly. I then proceeded to max out Flamigo's attack and dumped the rest into bulk.

PARTNERS
First and foremost, let us go over restricted pairings. And, realistically speaking, only one *VIABLE* (so no zekrom) restricted can abuse Flamigo to its full potential. That Pokemon is known as...

Miraidon is a strong and prevalent threat in Regulation G. But there are two things it can struggle with. One: Spread Moves. To keep it simple here, a powerful Astral Barrage and especially Glacial Lance can knock this dragon out of course. Two: Grass-types. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Rillaboom are able to save their allies while being bulky enough to take hits (saving their allies as in healing and redirection). To cover the first issue, Flamigo gets Wide Guard, which is a great move in this format, covering Miriadon's weakness to spread attacks. For the second issue, Brave Bird is able to seriously damage the opposing Grass-types in Miraidon's way, allowing for Miraidon to better sweep through teams while having a supportive partner that actually does damage. Finally, Specs Miraidon in particular is able to spam Discharge next to Tera Ground Flamigo, allowing for a follow up to Miraidon's super charged attack.

Now we'll do a non-restricted partner which fits well with the pairing of Flamigo and Miraidon, which speaking of, the next Pokemon up is...

Whimsicott is a premier partner for Miraidon in many ways. From instant Tailwind support to Encore locking, this Pokemon works great with these two. I'm going to keep this short, as this post is way too long already. But anyway, this just felt like a easy pick, especially when considering the planning for my Flamigo spread.


FINAL DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that the pink bird is good, just I think it could have a small little space in the meta.​

Cool post. I've also experimented with a funny bird, . This mon to me has always had ludicrous potential with a sheer force life orb hurricane off of a 112 base spatk, but the accuracy is always a pain in the side. This is basically impossible to avoid in singles without sacking multiple mons to get up rain or tailwind, but in doubles with partners you can actually increase the moves accuracy without losing momentum. Introducing the birds favorite partner, . These two mons together with tailwind absolutely decimate each others possible checks. For example, a tera grass zamazenta-c. Even without tera, a full hp and full spdf zam gets 2hko by a hurricane from braviary. I also run and to lower opponents spd even more and block priority.

During the summer I end up not posting as much or playing showdown, but I'm going to start being more active again

 

[KindaKaon]

Since this thread is dead, might as well try and bring it back to life.
So I stumbled upon some Reddit post and it caught my attention. I present to you: Flamigo. Let me explain.

META STANDPOINT
Looking at this Pokemon, you don't expect much at all. Just a wee little bird after all. But behind that disguise lurks a pretty... niche pick (you though I'd say amazing, right?). But in all seriousness, this Pokemon is like Mienshao's forgotten child. With Scrappy, Flamigo is immune to Intimidate while hitting annoying Ghost-type Gholdengo for super effective damage with Close Combat thanks to this ability. Brave Bird functions as a nice STAB option to be clicked against opponents such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss.
The reason I call this bird "Mienshao's forgotten child" is because it lacks one factor: immunity to flinching. This is what prevents Flamigo from actually doing something. Fake Out just destroys its momentum and if Flamigo gets hit by even anything, its potential is basically ruined. But wait, there is a shining light...

This is the item that launches Flamigo into the slightest bit of viability. With Scarppy+Covert Cloak, Flamigo is able to have "Inner Focus". Although it highly appreciates the Focus Sash item, the ability to ignore flinches from Fake Out AND any move drops (icy wind, electroweb, etc) AND have availability to not run Tera Ghost! I mean, you could run Focus Sash and not Tera Ghost, yet this turns Flamigo into more of a semi-check to Incineroar and Rillaboom.

THE SET

BIRB (Flamigo) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground (you'll see in the 'partners' section)
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpDef / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Wide Guard
-Protect
Okay, just a quick covering of why each move is here and what it applies and also covering the EVs.
First up is Tera Ground, which as I mentioned, you'll find out later (trust). Anyways, we'll start with the moves. Brave Bird is really powerful in hitting Grass- and Fighting-types such as Rillaboom, Amoonguss, Mienshao and the Urshifu formes. Close Combat is also super powerful, but instead hits Dark- and Normal-types like Incineroar, Chi-Yu, Ursaluna-BM, and Terapagos. Wide Guard has so many applications, and it is invaluable in this format. It completely eliminates the threat of Calyrex-I, as they only pack Glacial Lance and High Horsepower, which are covered by Flamigo's typing and Wide Guard, respectively. It does so much more as well, which will be touched up a bit more on later on. Finally, its Protect. What else should I say? Let's go over the EVs. The only thing I really went for is the Speed which, under Tailwind, is able to outspeed +1 252 Timid Flutter Mane (basically sash flutter under sun) this is just absurd, honestly. I then proceeded to max out Flamigo's attack and dumped the rest into bulk.

PARTNERS
First and foremost, let us go over restricted pairings. And, realistically speaking, only one *VIABLE* (so no zekrom) restricted can abuse Flamigo to its full potential. That Pokemon is known as...

Miraidon is a strong and prevalent threat in Regulation G. But there are two things it can struggle with. One: Spread Moves. To keep it simple here, a powerful Astral Barrage and especially Glacial Lance can knock this dragon out of course. Two: Grass-types. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Rillaboom are able to save their allies while being bulky enough to take hits (saving their allies as in healing and redirection). To cover the first issue, Flamigo gets Wide Guard, which is a great move in this format, covering Miriadon's weakness to spread attacks. For the second issue, Brave Bird is able to seriously damage the opposing Grass-types in Miraidon's way, allowing for Miraidon to better sweep through teams while having a supportive partner that actually does damage. Finally, Specs Miraidon in particular is able to spam Discharge next to Tera Ground Flamigo, allowing for a follow up to Miraidon's super charged attack.

Now we'll do a non-restricted partner which fits well with the pairing of Flamigo and Miraidon, which speaking of, the next Pokemon up is...

Whimsicott is a premier partner for Miraidon in many ways. From instant Tailwind support to Encore locking, this Pokemon works great with these two. I'm going to keep this short, as this post is way too long already. But anyway, this just felt like a easy pick, especially when considering the planning for my Flamigo spread.


FINAL DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that the pink bird is good, just I think it could have a small little space in the meta.​

interesting i guess as role compression for mirai support but again, as per ur disclaimer, i dont think pink guy is very good. not a lot of damage. poor survivability. plenty of other mons that do the role of beating grass types/wide guarding, and while they're not as compressed as bird, theyre much better at individual things. also personally think ur way overrating how good wide guard is for mirai: saying (1) spread moves is really identifying the wrong part of the problem, both calys will still goob with or without wide guard. mirai is a very very offensive mon, defensive support in the form of flamingo will just mean that csr will click tfairy draining kiss at the slot that actually does something and ignore the bird, instead of other support options for miraidon that can either pressure fake out, block opposing prio, or block offensive threats from lead by being bulky/threatening with prio or outspeed. sorry for ramblin

 

[Pengu]

Yet again making another statement to relive this thread lol.
Anyways, I decided to make a Fire-type tier list (about regulation g with no restricteds and ordered within the tiers).

Here are my reasons:

D Tier

Going from the bottom up, these are the Pokemon that you should never use.

Coming out the gate hot (see what I did there?) is Flareon, which really has nothing going for it. Really only Toxic Orb Guts-Boosted Facade, which we already have in the million times stronger Ursaluna.

Next is Magmortar, which has an obvious reason. It lacks the power and yes, gets Follow Me. But then comes Magmar, a generally bulkier Pokemon thanks to Eviolite.

Now we run into Moltres, with yet again quite the obvious reason. For one, its typing sucks. And next, it just doesn't have the stats to keep up with this restricted format.

Now is Tauros, a Fire type intimidate Pokemon with respectable power. Totally not like we have that...yeah.

Now Armarougeis up, and this might be controversial. I think like GroudonTrick Room Psyspam can be cool with this knight, but it just gets outclassed by the far superior Hatterene, which functions better under Trick Room and even gets a Fire-type attack in Mystical Fire, as well as actually doing well into Incineroar.

Next up is the brother known as Ceruledge. I put this guy a little higher than his sibling due to it, with Focus Sash+Shadow Sneak, fairing OK into the powerful CSR.

Finally, we have Typhlosion. He could be in C-Tier, yet his Hisuian cousin is better.

C Tier

These are the Pokemon that have a niche that keeps them up.

First up is Typhlosion-Hisui, which can function as a Choice-locked Eruption sweeper, either with Choice Specs next to speed control or Choice Scarf. It hits Calyrex-Icesuper hard when it doesn't Terastilize, as well as wrecking Rillaboom, with being immune to Fake Out. Priority kinda wrecks this guy, and any weather change is just sad.

Ninetalesis up now, and is primarily this low thanks to low bulk and competition with Torkoal, as well as lacking power. Especially in a restricted format with Koraidonand Groudon, it can be super difficult to find a team for it.

Skeledirgeis up now, with Will-O-Wisp+the Ghost-Fire type combination walling out any Zamazenta-Cor Zacian-Cin sight. Now, you do get cooked in front of CSRand Kyogre, but I think this Pokemon can be fun, especially with Unaware.

Rotom-Heatis a very interesting option, as it can wall out CIRand Groudonquite comfortably. The problem there are their partners, with both carrying Raging Bolt, as well as those two being the only two Rotom-Heatcan sit in front of. Overall, the oven can just sit there and act like dead weight

Arcanineyet again has quite the simple explanation. Incineroarand Urshifu-R. One just out classes Arcanine, while the other ignores Intimidate and just KOs it.

Now we have everyone's favorite, Charizard! This guy is run as a Solar Power sweeper/cleaner. It just isn't that strong, at least not to sweep.

Finally, we have Chandelure. I don't have much to say, but it did well at a National Championship, completely walling out Zamazenta-C, a meta-relevant threat. Of course, it has fallen off a bit, so it isn't as necessary.

B Tier

Now these are the Pokemon that can actually be considered at a higher level.

We start here with Heatran, a VGC staple taken over by power creep. If there were powerful Fire-type restricted Pokemon running around, this would be cool. I think a Tera Fairy Tera Blast set can work really well, especially against Koraidon.

Arcanine-Hisuiis a good Pokemon, just Incineroarcompetition for Intimidate is kind of knocking it down. Even Landorus-Toutshines it, which actually had less success than it in Regulation F.

Iron Mothis personally one of my favorite Pokemon, pairing nicely with Miraidon, with Acid Spray support and getting a speed boost thanks to Electric Terrain. Fire-type damage is also great for Miraidon, destroying loads of Rillaboom. Sadly, Iron Mothis too frail to be better.

Torkoalis a cool option for Trick Room teams, greatly damaging the likes of Amoongussand Calyrex-Ice, which allows Torkoalto function well as a Trick Room Pokemon defeating Trick Room mirrors. But sun setting just isn't as needed with Koraidonand Groudonrunning around, so that's why it is this low.

Finally we have Talonflame, a Pokemon that has been seeing quite some success as a Tailwind support with priority Tailwind faster than Tornadusand Whimsicott, fast Will-O-Wisp, and priority Brave Bird. Like a few others, Talonflamelacks power in those priority Brave Birds to deal significant damage in a power-crept format.

B+ Tier

This tier contains Pokemon that are good at top competitive play.

We start of with the beloved Magmar. One of the few food Follow Me Pokemon this format, this Pokemon does great into a specific metagame staple: Amoonguss. With Vital Spirit denying Spore and hitting back with Flamethrower, this Pokemon works great on teams that night struggle with it. Of course, with Magmarbeing forced into using Eviolite, it can be difficult to slot onto teams.

Next we have Volcarona, a great offensive set up threat and redirection support alike. With Rage Powder and Tailwind as well as Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp, this Pokemon has great potential to cripple physical attackers, help allies, and has access to great speed control. It can even stop special attackers with Struggle Bug. Quiver Dance sets are also good, as getting up a few of them can be a great win condition. Volcaronadoes struggle with its bulk, which has been seemingly getting worse and worse as better and better Pokemon get released in the franchise.

Enteiis quite a great Pokemon with powerful Sacred Fire, priority Extreme Speed, and Snarl support, which has brought Assault Vest and Choice Band sets to light, respectively. Now, struggling with some of the most popular Pokemon such as Urshifu-Rcan be troubling, but it can all be worth it when helping into threats such as Miraidonand Calyrex-Shadow.

We end off this tier with past-form Entei, Gouging Fire. This Pokemon acts as a speedy booster support, yet not with Icy Wind and Taunt like Flutter Mane, but a supporter for physical attackers with Howl like Koraidonand Groudon, which can provide speed boosts for Gouging Fire. The problem here is because it can be difficult to fit with lots of Pokemon.

A Tier

Here are some meta game staples.

We start here with Ogerpon-H, a super powerful and good Follow Me user. With powerful Ivy Cudgel and Wood Hammer/Power Whip damage and support in Follow Me, this Pokemon goes crazy. Its one problem is that it is vulnerable to Incineroar, as well as getting disrupted by opposing Ogerpon forms like Ogerpon-Cand Ogerpon-W.

Chi-Yuis super powerful and also provides support with its ability for Pokemon such as Specs Terapagosand Miraidon. It can also, with Choice Scarf, threaten Pokemon such as Calyrex-Shadow, which would normally outspeed. Again, struggling with Fake Out and Water-types with very few ways to deal with Pokemon like Urshifu-Ris a huge reason why it isn't top tier.

Incineroar

. Do I have to explain myself?

Let me know if I missed anything!

 

[flutterfan]

Yet again making another statement to relive this thread lol.
Anyways, I decided to make a Fire-type tier list (about regulation g with no restricteds and ordered within the tiers).
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Here are my reasons:

D Tier

Going from the bottom up, these are the Pokemon that you should never use.

Coming out the gate hot (see what I did there?) is Flareon, which really has nothing going for it. Really only Toxic Orb Guts-Boosted Facade, which we already have in the million times stronger Ursaluna.

Next is Magmortar, which has an obvious reason. It lacks the power and yes, gets Follow Me. But then comes Magmar, a generally bulkier Pokemon thanks to Eviolite.

Now we run into Moltres, with yet again quite the obvious reason. For one, its typing sucks. And next, it just doesn't have the stats to keep up with this restricted format.

Now is Tauros, a Fire type intimidate Pokemon with respectable power. Totally not like we have that...yeah.

Now Armarougeis up, and this might be controversial. I think like GroudonTrick Room Psyspam can be cool with this knight, but it just gets outclassed by the far superior Hatterene, which functions better under Trick Room and even gets a Fire-type attack in Mystical Fire, as well as actually doing well into Incineroar.

Next up is the brother known as Ceruledge. I put this guy a little higher than his sibling due to it, with Focus Sash+Shadow Sneak, fairing OK into the powerful CSR.

Finally, we have Typhlosion. He could be in C-Tier, yet his Hisuian cousin is better.

C Tier

These are the Pokemon that have a niche that keeps them up.

First up is Typhlosion-Hisui, which can function as a Choice-locked Eruption sweeper, either with Choice Specs next to speed control or Choice Scarf. It hits Calyrex-Icesuper hard when it doesn't Terastilize, as well as wrecking Rillaboom, with being immune to Fake Out. Priority kinda wrecks this guy, and any weather change is just sad.

Ninetalesis up now, and is primarily this low thanks to low bulk and competition with Torkoal, as well as lacking power. Especially in a restricted format with Koraidonand Groudon, it can be super difficult to find a team for it.

Skeledirgeis up now, with Will-O-Wisp+the Ghost-Fire type combination walling out any Zamazenta-Cor Zacian-Cin sight. Now, you do get cooked in front of CSRand Kyogre, but I think this Pokemon can be fun, especially with Unaware.

Rotom-Heatis a very interesting option, as it can wall out CIRand Groudonquite comfortably. The problem there are their partners, with both carrying Raging Bolt, as well as those two being the only two Rotom-Heatcan sit in front of. Overall, the oven can just sit there and act like dead weight

Arcanineyet again has quite the simple explanation. Incineroarand Urshifu-R. One just out classes Arcanine, while the other ignores Intimidate and just KOs it.

Now we have everyone's favorite, Charizard! This guy is run as a Solar Power sweeper/cleaner. It just isn't that strong, at least not to sweep.

Finally, we have Chandelure. I don't have much to say, but it did well at a National Championship, completely walling out Zamazenta-C, a meta-relevant threat. Of course, it has fallen off a bit, so it isn't as necessary.

B Tier

Now these are the Pokemon that can actually be considered at a higher level.

We start here with Heatran, a VGC staple taken over by power creep. If there were powerful Fire-type restricted Pokemon running around, this would be cool. I think a Tera Fairy Tera Blast set can work really well, especially against Koraidon.

Arcanine-Hisuiis a good Pokemon, just Incineroarcompetition for Intimidate is kind of knocking it down. Even Landorus-Toutshines it, which actually had less success than it in Regulation F.

Iron Mothis personally one of my favorite Pokemon, pairing nicely with Miraidon, with Acid Spray support and getting a speed boost thanks to Electric Terrain. Fire-type damage is also great for Miraidon, destroying loads of Rillaboom. Sadly, Iron Mothis too frail to be better.

Torkoalis a cool option for Trick Room teams, greatly damaging the likes of Amoongussand Calyrex-Ice, which allows Torkoalto function well as a Trick Room Pokemon defeating Trick Room mirrors. But sun setting just isn't as needed with Koraidonand Groudonrunning around, so that's why it is this low.

Finally we have Talonflame, a Pokemon that has been seeing quite some success as a Tailwind support with priority Tailwind faster than Tornadusand Whimsicott, fast Will-O-Wisp, and priority Brave Bird. Like a few others, Talonflamelacks power in those priority Brave Birds to deal significant damage in a power-crept format.

B+ Tier

This tier contains Pokemon that are good at top competitive play.

We start of with the beloved Magmar. One of the few food Follow Me Pokemon this format, this Pokemon does great into a specific metagame staple: Amoonguss. With Vital Spirit denying Spore and hitting back with Flamethrower, this Pokemon works great on teams that night struggle with it. Of course, with Magmarbeing forced into using Eviolite, it can be difficult to slot onto teams.

Next we have Volcarona, a great offensive set up threat and redirection support alike. With Rage Powder and Tailwind as well as Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp, this Pokemon has great potential to cripple physical attackers, help allies, and has access to great speed control. It can even stop special attackers with Struggle Bug. Quiver Dance sets are also good, as getting up a few of them can be a great win condition. Volcaronadoes struggle with its bulk, which has been seemingly getting worse and worse as better and better Pokemon get released in the franchise.

Enteiis quite a great Pokemon with powerful Sacred Fire, priority Extreme Speed, and Snarl support, which has brought Assault Vest and Choice Band sets to light, respectively. Now, struggling with some of the most popular Pokemon such as Urshifu-Rcan be troubling, but it can all be worth it when helping into threats such as Miraidonand Calyrex-Shadow.

We end off this tier with past-form Entei, Gouging Fire. This Pokemon acts as a speedy booster support, yet not with Icy Wind and Taunt like Flutter Mane, but a supporter for physical attackers with Howl like Koraidonand Groudon, which can provide speed boosts for Gouging Fire. The problem here is because it can be difficult to fit with lots of Pokemon.

A Tier

Here are some meta game staples.

We start here with Ogerpon-H, a super powerful and good Follow Me user. With powerful Ivy Cudgel and Wood Hammer/Power Whip damage and support in Follow Me, this Pokemon goes crazy. Its one problem is that it is vulnerable to Incineroar, as well as getting disrupted by opposing Ogerpon forms like Ogerpon-Cand Ogerpon-W.

Chi-Yuis super powerful and also provides support with its ability for Pokemon such as Specs Terapagosand Miraidon. It can also, with Choice Scarf, threaten Pokemon such as Calyrex-Shadow, which would normally outspeed. Again, struggling with Fake Out and Water-types with very few ways to deal with Pokemon like Urshifu-Ris a huge reason why it isn't top tier.

Incineroar

. Do I have to explain myself?

Let me know if I missed anything!

There are a couple things about this that bug me. First off, I think Talonflame should be higher, as while it is a strong alternative to Tornadus and Whimsicott. I feel like it’s gotten enough usage that B tier probably isn’t generous enough. I think low B+ tier is simply more describing of Talonflame‘s results and its general potential as a Pokemon. Especially on Miraidon and even some Zamazenta compositions.

About Magmar, just, huh? I haven’t seen any Magmar usage this format outside of probably very early on. Even in Reg F there wasn’t a lot of Magmar usage. Volcarona and Ogerpon-H are just strictly better Fire type redirectors and Amoonguss answers that both have natural sleep immunity by common item slot usage and Grass typing respectively. I really do not know why this is in B tier next to Pokémon like Entei and Volcarona.

Ceruledge is another thing that bugs me a little bit. It’s seen a little bit of usage on Terapagos compositions, and while not certainly great. Its seen a fair enough amount of usage that I think C tier or B tier is where it belongs.

My final issue is definitely Ogerpon-H and Volcarona. I just simply think these two could be swapped as they sorta do the same exact thing, but Volcarona does it better in my opinion… Mostly because of Flame Body providing simply more utility than Mold Breaker or ”Intrepid Sword 2.0”. And you know how Ogerpon-H can be a snowball setup mon with Swords Dance and Embody Aspect? Well, why not just do that with Quiver Dance. Plus, you can still provide support with Flame Body, and, yeah, Will-O-Wisp’s here as well in case Flame Body isn’t triggering. Simply put, Volcarona has just simply more support than anything Ogerpon-H is gonna have in its arsenal(Taunt really is only a viable option of Ogerpon-C and Ogerpon-T imo) And while Ogerpon-H is doing more damage, Volcarona just offers more support. Also Ogerpon-H I feel like is only ran on sun comps.

So yeah, final changes:

Volcarona from B+ to A and Ogerpon-H from A to B+

Magmar from B+ to C I guess?

Talonflame from B to B+

Ceruledge from D to B I’d say

 

[iPetBigfoot]

Yet again making another statement to relive this thread lol.
Anyways, I decided to make a Fire-type tier list (about regulation g with no restricteds and ordered within the tiers).
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Here are my reasons:

D Tier

Going from the bottom up, these are the Pokemon that you should never use.

Coming out the gate hot (see what I did there?) is Flareon, which really has nothing going for it. Really only Toxic Orb Guts-Boosted Facade, which we already have in the million times stronger Ursaluna.

Next is Magmortar, which has an obvious reason. It lacks the power and yes, gets Follow Me. But then comes Magmar, a generally bulkier Pokemon thanks to Eviolite.

Now we run into Moltres, with yet again quite the obvious reason. For one, its typing sucks. And next, it just doesn't have the stats to keep up with this restricted format.

Now is Tauros, a Fire type intimidate Pokemon with respectable power. Totally not like we have that...yeah.

Now Armarougeis up, and this might be controversial. I think like GroudonTrick Room Psyspam can be cool with this knight, but it just gets outclassed by the far superior Hatterene, which functions better under Trick Room and even gets a Fire-type attack in Mystical Fire, as well as actually doing well into Incineroar.

Next up is the brother known as Ceruledge. I put this guy a little higher than his sibling due to it, with Focus Sash+Shadow Sneak, fairing OK into the powerful CSR.

Finally, we have Typhlosion. He could be in C-Tier, yet his Hisuian cousin is better.

C Tier

These are the Pokemon that have a niche that keeps them up.

First up is Typhlosion-Hisui, which can function as a Choice-locked Eruption sweeper, either with Choice Specs next to speed control or Choice Scarf. It hits Calyrex-Icesuper hard when it doesn't Terastilize, as well as wrecking Rillaboom, with being immune to Fake Out. Priority kinda wrecks this guy, and any weather change is just sad.

Ninetalesis up now, and is primarily this low thanks to low bulk and competition with Torkoal, as well as lacking power. Especially in a restricted format with Koraidonand Groudon, it can be super difficult to find a team for it.

Skeledirgeis up now, with Will-O-Wisp+the Ghost-Fire type combination walling out any Zamazenta-Cor Zacian-Cin sight. Now, you do get cooked in front of CSRand Kyogre, but I think this Pokemon can be fun, especially with Unaware.

Rotom-Heatis a very interesting option, as it can wall out CIRand Groudonquite comfortably. The problem there are their partners, with both carrying Raging Bolt, as well as those two being the only two Rotom-Heatcan sit in front of. Overall, the oven can just sit there and act like dead weight

Arcanineyet again has quite the simple explanation. Incineroarand Urshifu-R. One just out classes Arcanine, while the other ignores Intimidate and just KOs it.

Now we have everyone's favorite, Charizard! This guy is run as a Solar Power sweeper/cleaner. It just isn't that strong, at least not to sweep.

Finally, we have Chandelure. I don't have much to say, but it did well at a National Championship, completely walling out Zamazenta-C, a meta-relevant threat. Of course, it has fallen off a bit, so it isn't as necessary.

B Tier

Now these are the Pokemon that can actually be considered at a higher level.

We start here with Heatran, a VGC staple taken over by power creep. If there were powerful Fire-type restricted Pokemon running around, this would be cool. I think a Tera Fairy Tera Blast set can work really well, especially against Koraidon.

Arcanine-Hisuiis a good Pokemon, just Incineroarcompetition for Intimidate is kind of knocking it down. Even Landorus-Toutshines it, which actually had less success than it in Regulation F.

Iron Mothis personally one of my favorite Pokemon, pairing nicely with Miraidon, with Acid Spray support and getting a speed boost thanks to Electric Terrain. Fire-type damage is also great for Miraidon, destroying loads of Rillaboom. Sadly, Iron Mothis too frail to be better.

Torkoalis a cool option for Trick Room teams, greatly damaging the likes of Amoongussand Calyrex-Ice, which allows Torkoalto function well as a Trick Room Pokemon defeating Trick Room mirrors. But sun setting just isn't as needed with Koraidonand Groudonrunning around, so that's why it is this low.

Finally we have Talonflame, a Pokemon that has been seeing quite some success as a Tailwind support with priority Tailwind faster than Tornadusand Whimsicott, fast Will-O-Wisp, and priority Brave Bird. Like a few others, Talonflamelacks power in those priority Brave Birds to deal significant damage in a power-crept format.

B+ Tier

This tier contains Pokemon that are good at top competitive play.

We start of with the beloved Magmar. One of the few food Follow Me Pokemon this format, this Pokemon does great into a specific metagame staple: Amoonguss. With Vital Spirit denying Spore and hitting back with Flamethrower, this Pokemon works great on teams that night struggle with it. Of course, with Magmarbeing forced into using Eviolite, it can be difficult to slot onto teams.

Next we have Volcarona, a great offensive set up threat and redirection support alike. With Rage Powder and Tailwind as well as Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp, this Pokemon has great potential to cripple physical attackers, help allies, and has access to great speed control. It can even stop special attackers with Struggle Bug. Quiver Dance sets are also good, as getting up a few of them can be a great win condition. Volcaronadoes struggle with its bulk, which has been seemingly getting worse and worse as better and better Pokemon get released in the franchise.

Enteiis quite a great Pokemon with powerful Sacred Fire, priority Extreme Speed, and Snarl support, which has brought Assault Vest and Choice Band sets to light, respectively. Now, struggling with some of the most popular Pokemon such as Urshifu-Rcan be troubling, but it can all be worth it when helping into threats such as Miraidonand Calyrex-Shadow.

We end off this tier with past-form Entei, Gouging Fire. This Pokemon acts as a speedy booster support, yet not with Icy Wind and Taunt like Flutter Mane, but a supporter for physical attackers with Howl like Koraidonand Groudon, which can provide speed boosts for Gouging Fire. The problem here is because it can be difficult to fit with lots of Pokemon.

A Tier

Here are some meta game staples.

We start here with Ogerpon-H, a super powerful and good Follow Me user. With powerful Ivy Cudgel and Wood Hammer/Power Whip damage and support in Follow Me, this Pokemon goes crazy. Its one problem is that it is vulnerable to Incineroar, as well as getting disrupted by opposing Ogerpon forms like Ogerpon-Cand Ogerpon-W.

Chi-Yuis super powerful and also provides support with its ability for Pokemon such as Specs Terapagosand Miraidon. It can also, with Choice Scarf, threaten Pokemon such as Calyrex-Shadow, which would normally outspeed. Again, struggling with Fake Out and Water-types with very few ways to deal with Pokemon like Urshifu-Ris a huge reason why it isn't top tier.

Incineroar

. Do I have to explain myself?

Let me know if I missed anything!

I also think that Volcarona should move up, its more consistent that Hearthflame and doesn't get ruined by intimidate.
Ceruledge and Chandaeure are both good mons that wall Koriadon but I think Chandelure is a bit more consistent. Chandelure to B+ and Ceruledge to B.
Magmar has seen very little usage so I think it moves down to just B.

 

[flutterfan]

I also think that Volcarona should move up, its more consistent that Hearthflame and doesn't get ruined by intimidate.
Ceruledge and Chandaeure are both good mons that wall Koriadon but I think Chandelure is a bit more consistent. Chandelure to B+ and Ceruledge to B.
Magmar has seen very little usage so I think it moves down to just B.

Agree, also yeah, I completely forgot about Chandelure as well. I think Chandelure is ok in B, though I wouldn’t mind it in B+ either. Just overall a very interesting Pokémon. Gets access to Trick Room, as well as, like you said, it walls Koraidon.

 

[Pengu]

There are a couple things about this that bug me. First off, I think Talonflame should be higher, as while it is a strong alternative to Tornadus and Whimsicott. I feel like it’s gotten enough usage that B tier probably isn’t generous enough. I think low B+ tier is simply more describing of Talonflame‘s results and its general potential as a Pokemon. Especially on Miraidon and even some Zamazenta compositions.

About Magmar, just, huh? I haven’t seen any Magmar usage this format outside of probably very early on. Even in Reg F there wasn’t a lot of Magmar usage. Volcarona and Ogerpon-H are just strictly better Fire type redirectors and Amoonguss answers that both have natural sleep immunity by common item slot usage and Grass typing respectively. I really do not know why this is in B tier next to Pokémon like Entei and Volcarona.

Ceruledge is another thing that bugs me a little bit. It’s seen a little bit of usage on Terapagos compositions, and while not certainly great. Its seen a fair enough amount of usage that I think C tier or B tier is where it belongs.

My final issue is definitely Ogerpon-H and Volcarona. I just simply think these two could be swapped as they sorta do the same exact thing, but Volcarona does it better in my opinion… Mostly because of Flame Body providing simply more utility than Mold Breaker or ”Intrepid Sword 2.0”. And you know how Ogerpon-H can be a snowball setup mon with Swords Dance and Embody Aspect? Well, why not just do that with Quiver Dance. Plus, you can still provide support with Flame Body, and, yeah, Will-O-Wisp’s here as well in case Flame Body isn’t triggering. Simply put, Volcarona has just simply more support than anything Ogerpon-H is gonna have in its arsenal(Taunt really is only a viable option of Ogerpon-C and Ogerpon-T imo) And while Ogerpon-H is doing more damage, Volcarona just offers more support. Also Ogerpon-H I feel like is only ran on sun comps.

So yeah, final changes:

Volcarona from B+ to A and Ogerpon-H from A to B+

Magmar from B+ to C I guess?

Talonflame from B to B+

Ceruledge from D to B I’d say

I also think that Volcarona should move up, its more consistent that Hearthflame and doesn't get ruined by intimidate.
Ceruledge and Chandaeure are both good mons that wall Koriadon but I think Chandelure is a bit more consistent. Chandelure to B+ and Ceruledge to B.
Magmar has seen very little usage so I think it moves down to just B.

Agree, also yeah, I completely forgot about Chandelure as well. I think Chandelure is ok in B, though I wouldn’t mind it in B+ either. Just overall a very interesting Pokémon. Gets access to Trick Room, as well as, like you said, it walls Koraidon.

As per requests, the tier list has changed! Here is the updated variant:

And again, let me know if I missed anything!

 

[ValiantValerie]

People when they realise Solar Power Charizard STILL doesn't hit as hard as Chi-Yu

 

[flutterfan]

People when they realise Solar Power Charizard STILL doesn't hit as hard as Chi-Yu

For real, also Charizard just gets OHKO’d by any Rock or Water move that isn’t 40 base power.

I guess Talonflame does too but makes up for that with priority Tailwind being its main job. So your fine with it being KO’d.

 

[Flarefox]

As per requests, the tier list has changed! Here is the updated variant:
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And again, let me know if I missed anything!

if I'm being honest I can't really see any sort of relevant niche for anything in C.
Gouging can probably go down a tier, it's fallen off a lot.
Moth can also move down, it's not great compared to the other mons in B.

 

[flutterfan]

if I'm being honest I can't really see any sort of relevant niche for anything in C.
Gouging can probably go down a tier, it's fallen off a lot.
Moth can also move down, it's not great compared to the other mons in B.

Ehh I guess Moth has a niche for Power Herb Meteor Beam stuff next to Mirai but, like, do you really want that? Lunala is just a better Meteor Beam mon, and well, with double restricted probably soon I could see Lunala + Miraidon definitely being a thing. Though I feel like that is just copium.

Also yeah, Gouging’s dead outside of a select few Groudon(Who’s also pretty much dead) and Zacian comps.

 

[CandyBirch]

Since this thread is dead, might as well try and bring it back to life.
So I stumbled upon some Reddit post and it caught my attention. I present to you: Flamigo. Let me explain.

META STANDPOINT
Looking at this Pokemon, you don't expect much at all. Just a wee little bird after all. But behind that disguise lurks a pretty... niche pick (you though I'd say amazing, right?). But in all seriousness, this Pokemon is like Mienshao's forgotten child. With Scrappy, Flamigo is immune to Intimidate while hitting annoying Ghost-type Gholdengo for super effective damage with Close Combat thanks to this ability. Brave Bird functions as a nice STAB option to be clicked against opponents such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss.
The reason I call this bird "Mienshao's forgotten child" is because it lacks one factor: immunity to flinching. This is what prevents Flamigo from actually doing something. Fake Out just destroys its momentum and if Flamigo gets hit by even anything, its potential is basically ruined. But wait, there is a shining light...

This is the item that launches Flamigo into the slightest bit of viability. With Scarppy+Covert Cloak, Flamigo is able to have "Inner Focus". Although it highly appreciates the Focus Sash item, the ability to ignore flinches from Fake Out AND any move drops (icy wind, electroweb, etc) AND have availability to not run Tera Ghost! I mean, you could run Focus Sash and not Tera Ghost, yet this turns Flamigo into more of a semi-check to Incineroar and Rillaboom.

THE SET

BIRB (Flamigo) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground (you'll see in the 'partners' section)
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpDef / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Wide Guard
-Protect
Okay, just a quick covering of why each move is here and what it applies and also covering the EVs.
First up is Tera Ground, which as I mentioned, you'll find out later (trust). Anyways, we'll start with the moves. Brave Bird is really powerful in hitting Grass- and Fighting-types such as Rillaboom, Amoonguss, Mienshao and the Urshifu formes. Close Combat is also super powerful, but instead hits Dark- and Normal-types like Incineroar, Chi-Yu, Ursaluna-BM, and Terapagos. Wide Guard has so many applications, and it is invaluable in this format. It completely eliminates the threat of Calyrex-I, as they only pack Glacial Lance and High Horsepower, which are covered by Flamigo's typing and Wide Guard, respectively. It does so much more as well, which will be touched up a bit more on later on. Finally, its Protect. What else should I say? Let's go over the EVs. The only thing I really went for is the Speed which, under Tailwind, is able to outspeed +1 252 Timid Flutter Mane (basically sash flutter under sun) this is just absurd, honestly. I then proceeded to max out Flamigo's attack and dumped the rest into bulk.

PARTNERS
First and foremost, let us go over restricted pairings. And, realistically speaking, only one *VIABLE* (so no zekrom) restricted can abuse Flamigo to its full potential. That Pokemon is known as...

Miraidon is a strong and prevalent threat in Regulation G. But there are two things it can struggle with. One: Spread Moves. To keep it simple here, a powerful Astral Barrage and especially Glacial Lance can knock this dragon out of course. Two: Grass-types. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Rillaboom are able to save their allies while being bulky enough to take hits (saving their allies as in healing and redirection). To cover the first issue, Flamigo gets Wide Guard, which is a great move in this format, covering Miriadon's weakness to spread attacks. For the second issue, Brave Bird is able to seriously damage the opposing Grass-types in Miraidon's way, allowing for Miraidon to better sweep through teams while having a supportive partner that actually does damage. Finally, Specs Miraidon in particular is able to spam Discharge next to Tera Ground Flamigo, allowing for a follow up to Miraidon's super charged attack.

Now we'll do a non-restricted partner which fits well with the pairing of Flamigo and Miraidon, which speaking of, the next Pokemon up is...

Whimsicott is a premier partner for Miraidon in many ways. From instant Tailwind support to Encore locking, this Pokemon works great with these two. I'm going to keep this short, as this post is way too long already. But anyway, this just felt like a easy pick, especially when considering the planning for my Flamigo spread.


FINAL DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that the pink bird is good, just I think it could have a small little space in the meta.​

I have to thank you here, I was looking for Pokemon to go with miraidon and this caught my eye. It has worked extremely well and very consistent so far, there have been multiple times where this has been hit with fake out and covert cloak has come in handy. It has also ohkoed it's fair share of bulky mons that would slow down mirai. It is certainly a very niche pick as I haven't yet seen any others but it works quite well.

 

[Pengu]

I got bored so I made a restricted tier list, Lmk if you disagree with anything! Also everything is ordered within their tiers.

Here are my reasons, nobody is gonna read them but I thought I might as well:

Honestly I'm hella bored rn

Meta Defining Restricted Pokemon
We start from the top this time, CIRis an ever prevalent threat in the metagame, with the power to just wreck teams. With powerful offensive moves in Glacial Lance, High Horsepower, or the less common Close Combag, it is really hard to resist both of CIR's selected moves. Most of the comps including this horse have transitioned to more balance-oriented teams, though Trick Room is still an option. This Pokemon sometimes struggles into the likes of Zamazentaand Lunala, yet allies such as Urshifu-R, Incineroar, and more can patch up these holes and make for a very reliable Pokemon.

We then move on to the next horse, CSR. This monster also has the ability to truck through teams, yet what it lacks in bulk, it makes up with in speed. This Pokemon most commonly runs either Nasty Plot or Calm Mind, and with those set up, sweeps are unlocked, especially with allies such as Mienshao, Clefairy, and Tornadusboosting CSRto further heights.

The final Pokemon here is Miraidon. I honestly debated on putting it a tier lower, but this Pokemon's ability to just come in and KO something right off the bat while ALSO being able to switch out thanks to Volt Switch is just absurd. Miraidonmay require some support with options such as Farigiraf, Whimsicott, and Chi-Yuall being prime examples of this. Honestly dropping it a tier makes sense too.

Strong Restricted Pokemon Options
We start the tier with a Pokemon others thought would be bad, Zamazenta-C. This Pokemon has favorable matchups into restricted Pokemon such as CIR, Terapagos, and more. With set up, this expands to others such as opposing Zamazenta-Cand Koraidon. If you decide on Wide Guard instead, Pokemon such as CSRand Kyogrewill be much easier to deal with. It isn't top tier though, as it depends on what set it has chosen while still losing to Miraidon.

Kyogrehas proven to actually not be washed, being one of the top performers this format. Kyogre is able to take Glacial Lance fairly well, while still hitting back hard with Origin Pulse. Terastilization works in Kyogre's favor, as it can either power up already strong attacks with Tera Water, or gain invaluable resistances with Tera Grass, and even a Fake Out immunity with the less common Tera Ghost. Not top tier due to it being almost forced into Tera when facing bulky threats such as Rillaboomand Raging Bolt.

Solid Restricted Pokemon Picks
Next up is Terapagos, and this pick might be really controversial. Terapagosis a very strong Pokemon capable of either setting up and sweeping or just hitting hard thanks to Choice Specs. The problem here is that there are so many ways to kinda just break through it. You can nuke it with a Fighting-type such as Urshifu-R, Mienshao, or Iron Handsonce TerapagosTerastilizes.

Another quite controversial pick is Koraidon. To some, having this Pokemon so low is a crime. It is really strong, being able to hit really hard with Flare Blitz / Collision Course, or it can get the jump on faster threats such as CSRthanks to Flame Charge. A problem here is that Koraidon is kinda forced to run Clear Amulet, while also having rough match ups into top restricted like Miraidonand CIR.

Meh Restricted Pokemon
First up is Zacian-C, which is a strong Pokemon don't get me wrong. Having a great matchup into a top Pokemon in Miraidonwhile also just hitting super hard, it can be really annoying. It is really weak to Incineroar, which is a big issue alone while also being hard to pilot. Especially due to these nerfs, Zacian-Cisn't even close to its former glory.

Next we have to true washed restricted, Groudon. This behemoth can hit quite hard, even in the power creep generation. The problem is that Koraidonis immense competition, as well as powerful restricted Pokemon such as the Calyrex formes(&) being able to hit it very hard. Also Precipice Blades just misses too often imo.

Next up is Lunala, a very powerful Pokemon that actually does well into CIR. There are Trick Room Meteor Beam sets, and there are Calm Mind sets which can be very potent and bulky sweepers once set up. The problem here is that there are powerful Ghost- and Dark-types that rule the meta such as CSRand Incineroar.

Finally, we have Kyurem-W. A powerful Pokemon that can spam Blizzard while also taking some hits and having extensive coverage in Earth Power and Fusion Flare. The problem is the very common weather in this format with Pokemon such as Pelipper, Tornadus, Koraidon, Kyogre, and more all having access to alter the weather from Kyurem-W's preferred weather.

Restricted Pokemon that have something
The first Pokemon in this tier is NDW, which has seen some success on Psyspam-Trick Room type teams. Same problem as Lunala, yet this one is frailer but stronger.

Ho-Ohis next, a very specially bulky Pokemon which does well into common Pokemon such as CIR, Incineroar, Rillaboom, and with Terastilization, Urshifu-R. Fire-Flying is also just a terrible type combination, while also being afraid of common Pokemon such as Miraidonand Raging Bolt.

Eternatusis an interesting Pokemon which can get up some Cosmic Power boosts and start sitting there, but is afraid of common Pokemon such as Miraidonand CIR.

Next is Lugia, which kinda just sits there and gets of Calm Mind boosts with Pokemon such as Comfeyand Grimmsnarlhelping out. This Pokemon is just kinda weak and hates opposing restricted Pokemon like the 3 Pokemon in top tier.

Finally for the tier, we have Rayquaza. It has the ability to shut down weather while also having great synergy with Chien-Pao. This Pokemon just isn't good for many reasons such as power creep, opposing restricted such as CSR, and even just regular Pokemon like Flutter Mane.

Restricted Pokemon with that one team
Giratina-Oon paper seems OK into the Calyrex formes, but just gets bodied without the use of Tera. Not much to say but it has a good Zamazentamatchup.

Next is NDM, which is just bad. At least it can do OK into CIRand Zacian-C?

Kyurem-Blackis straight up bad, with only having the option of Loaded Dice Scale Shot, especially since there aren't any reliable physical Dragon-type STAB options out there.

Dialga-Ohas like one niche as a Tailroom Pokemon next to something like Ursalunaspamming EQ. Nothing much.

Reshiramis a bulkier and powerful sweeper with Eruption and Heat Wave, but it also just isn't that great with better options for Fire-type damage that provide more like Chi-Yuand Koraidon.

Base Zacianis last in this tier, and the only reason it isn't bottom tier is because Clear Amulet shenanigans are funny sometimes, but it is just suboptimal all and all.

Anything in don't use seriously don't use. These are the restricted Pokemon teams you give your friends so you can destroy them.

 

[SquidSpring]

Haven't posted on this thread yet, thought I'd post a team dump, I've gotten to master ball tier with all of these, a few of these are serious, others are intentionally ridiculous and for fun. Spreads are mostly stolen except for Drifblim, I don't remember what it's EV'd to do though.


https://pokepast.es/2a7daedba1fb714f

Probably my favorite team i've made for this format so far, and the one I've been having the most success with on ladder. Leer Thundurus next to Calyrex-Ice makes a really scary combo, but they struggle with dark types so Sylveon and Urshifu are here to help mitigate that, Amoonguss and Incineroar are standard.


https://pokepast.es/505c50ccf72d78df

Not much to say about this one, its standard Miraidon with a Drifblim and an Iron Valiant, Drifblim in particular has felt really nice as an alternative tailwind setter and can probably be used with Rillaboom as well to similar effect.


https://pokepast.es/a0fcfa09d9eacf7c

A joke team, Room Service tera Flying Discharge Miraidon next to Guts Earthquake Ursaluna under trick room. This one is purely for laughs and isn't very good, you don't even get the terrain boost if you tera flying and it hard loses to Calyrex-Shadow + Clefairy lol, but if you wanna have some silly fun on ladder I highly recommend it, its a blast.


https://pokepast.es/547b5306440706de

Another kind of silly team, but one that functions much better than the Miraidon Trick Room. Struggle Bug Staraptor has genuinely carried in some games, merging damage control on both sides of the offensive spectrum with Tailwind is pretty cool. Admittedly I probably should have slotted Chien-Pao over Entei, i'll probably make a version with that and see how it does.


https://pokepast.es/0c558360a3f51825

Really fat Ho-Oh team that was really fun to play around with and had decent ladder success, really passive though unfortunately, especially into Grimmsnarl. Raging Bolt is probably coming to every game with this one.

 

[Pengu]

Haven't posted on this thread yet, thought I'd post a team dump, I've gotten to master ball tier with all of these, a few of these are serious, others are intentionally ridiculous and for fun. Spreads are mostly stolen except for Drifblim, I don't remember what it's EV'd to do though.


https://pokepast.es/2a7daedba1fb714f

Probably my favorite team i've made for this format so far, and the one I've been having the most success with on ladder. Leer Thundurus next to Calyrex-Ice makes a really scary combo, but they struggle with dark types so Sylveon and Urshifu are here to help mitigate that, Amoonguss and Incineroar are standard.


https://pokepast.es/505c50ccf72d78df

Not much to say about this one, its standard Miraidon with a Drifblim and an Iron Valiant, Drifblim in particular has felt really nice as an alternative tailwind setter and can probably be used with Rillaboom as well to similar effect.


https://pokepast.es/a0fcfa09d9eacf7c

A joke team, Room Service tera Flying Discharge Miraidon next to Guts Earthquake Ursaluna under trick room. This one is purely for laughs and isn't very good, you don't even get the terrain boost if you tera flying and it hard loses to Calyrex-Shadow + Clefairy lol, but if you wanna have some silly fun on ladder I highly recommend it, its a blast.


https://pokepast.es/547b5306440706de

Another kind of silly team, but one that functions much better than the Miraidon Trick Room. Struggle Bug Staraptor has genuinely carried in some games, merging damage control on both sides of the offensive spectrum with Tailwind is pretty cool. Admittedly I probably should have slotted Chien-Pao over Entei, i'll probably make a version with that and see how it does.


https://pokepast.es/0c558360a3f51825

Really fat Ho-Oh team that was really fun to play around with and had decent ladder success, really passive though unfortunately, especially into Grimmsnarl. Raging Bolt is probably coming to every game with this one.

Here are my thoughts:
For the first team, I must say I am interested. I think the thing that peaked my interest the most was Clear Smog on Amoonguss. I'm honestly wondering why you have it, is it for Nasty Plot CSR, or something like Meteor Beam Lunala? I would love to know what it is there for. To be honest, not having Tera Fire Tera Blast on Sylveonin a metagame with Rillaboom, CIR, and Zamazentafeels off. Unless Tera Fairy provides certain KOs, I don't see a reason to have it, probably replace Quick Attack with Tera Blast.

Next is Drifblim, which the whole team feels kinda iffy into CIR, with Incineroar lacking Taunt / Will-O-Wisp to hinder it as well as most of the ice horses running Tera Fire to nullify Drifblim's attempts. I honestly don't think you need AV here, even just a Tera change to Water could be nice as it removes you weakness to Glacial Lance and since you are immune to Spore thanks to Miraidon, you don't have to worry about that. I personally don't like the balloon, but I see the niche.

3rd team is something I'd expect from like CybertronVGC or something, but I would like to not that Miraidon, if it chooses to go Tera Flying, doesn't get the buffs and effects of Electric Terrain. Just a notice, don't want too change anything due to it being a meme team.

WHY THE FUCK DOES STARAPTORGET STRUGGLE BUG!? Sorry, sorry. Anyways this team looks great, but I would recommend Chien-Paoor Incineroarover Entei and probably Tera Grass on Zamazenta. Almost forgot, but try to slot Protect on Flutter Mane, though I believe that dropping Dazzling Gleam is the only option lol.

If you want an even thicker Ho-Oh, drop TW for Recover imo. Also try Scarf Coaching Urshifu-Rover Mienshao,just slots better. Rillaboomalways seems to fit on these teams, so I would recommend dropping Comfey, though I don't think you NEED Rillaboom.

With that out of the way, I would like to post some teams of my own:

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Probably the most fun I've had using a team that actually feels good as well, this team centers around TR, with lots of people not expecting Annihilapeto, well, annihilate a Pokemon with Final Gambit. Honestly a fun team and I recommend trying it out.


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Another really fun team is this right here, which feels kinda standard except for Iron Valiant, severely improving the TerapagosMU, something Miraidoncan struggle with.


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A really fun and destructive team, you spam Expanding Force. I like Iron Crownbecause it just bullies Miraidonand, to a extent, CIR.


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Off meta team right here but really fun, this is a Tailroom Dialgateam, where you can either hit hard and fast with Tailwind or sweep with Trick Room.


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Finally, we have a different approach at Koraidonwith a cool Choice Scarf variant. Since we don't have Clear Amulet, Kingambitfelt solid to soak up Intimidate while also hitting hard under TR thanks to Farigiraf.

 

[SquidSpring]

Here are my thoughts:
For the first team, I must say I am interested. I think the thing that peaked my interest the most was Clear Smog on Amoonguss. I'm honestly wondering why you have it, is it for Nasty Plot CSR, or something like Meteor Beam Lunala? I would love to know what it is there for. To be honest, not having Tera Fire Tera Blast on Sylveonin a metagame with Rillaboom, CIR, and Zamazentafeels off. Unless Tera Fairy provides certain KOs, I don't see a reason to have it, probably replace Quick Attack with Tera Blast.

Next is Drifblim, which the whole team feels kinda iffy into CIR, with Incineroar lacking Taunt / Will-O-Wisp to hinder it as well as most of the ice horses running Tera Fire to nullify Drifblim's attempts. I honestly don't think you need AV here, even just a Tera change to Water could be nice as it removes you weakness to Glacial Lance and since you are immune to Spore thanks to Miraidon, you don't have to worry about that. I personally don't like the balloon, but I see the niche.

3rd team is something I'd expect from like CybertronVGC or something, but I would like to not that Miraidon, if it chooses to go Tera Flying, doesn't get the buffs and effects of Electric Terrain. Just a notice, don't want too change anything due to it being a meme team.

WHY THE FUCK DOES STARAPTORGET STRUGGLE BUG!? Sorry, sorry. Anyways this team looks great, but I would recommend Chien-Paoor Incineroarover Entei and probably Tera Grass on Zamazenta. Almost forgot, but try to slot Protect on Flutter Mane, though I believe that dropping Dazzling Gleam is the only option lol.

If you want an even thicker Ho-Oh, drop TW for Recover imo. Also try Scarf Coaching Urshifu-Rover Mienshao,just slots better. Rillaboomalways seems to fit on these teams, so I would recommend dropping Comfey, though I don't think you NEED Rillaboom.

With that out of the way, I would like to post some teams of my own:

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Probably the most fun I've had using a team that actually feels good as well, this team centers around TR, with lots of people not expecting Annihilapeto, well, annihilate a Pokemon with Final Gambit. Honestly a fun team and I recommend trying it out.


Paste is right here
Another really fun team is this right here, which feels kinda standard except for Iron Valiant, severely improving the TerapagosMU, something Miraidoncan struggle with.


Paste is right here
A really fun and destructive team, you spam Expanding Force. I like Iron Crownbecause it just bullies Miraidonand, to a extent, CIR.


Paste is right here
Off meta team right here but really fun, this is a Tailroom Dialgateam, where you can either hit hard and fast with Tailwind or sweep with Trick Room.


Paste is right here
Finally, we have a different approach at Koraidonwith a cool Choice Scarf variant. Since we don't have Clear Amulet, Kingambitfelt solid to soak up Intimidate while also hitting hard under TR thanks to Farigiraf.

Tysm for the feedback! Clear Smog on Amoonguss is mainly for Dondozo and Nasty Plot Calyrex-Shadow as I had trouble vs. both in testing. I'll definitely try out versions of the teams with the changes you suggested!

 

[Pengu]

As worlds comes around, I analyzed every Regional, International and National Championship of Regulation G to see which Pokemon has the most Top 8 appearances.

Disclaimer: this list doesn't take unofficial tours, CTS tours, or Special Events into account.

The Standings

30-40 Top 8s
Both forms of Urshifu
Incineroar
20-29 Top 8s
Raging Bolt
Rillaboom
10-19 Top 8s
Amoonguss
Flutter Mane
Whimsicott
Pelipper
Terapagos
Calyrex-Ice
Calyrex-Shadow
Chi-Yu
Farigiraf
Miraidon
Tornadus
6-9 Top 8s
Iron Hands
Chien-Pao
Zamazenta-C
Clefairy
Ogerpon-C
Ursaluna-B
Gholdengo
2-5 Top 8s
Grimmsnarl
Indeedee-F
Koraidon
Volcarona
Ditto
Kyogre
Moltres-G
Ogerpon-W
Latios
Scream Tail
Ursaluna
Entei
Gothitelle
Iron Jugulis
Ogerpon-H
Regidrago
Smeargle
Torkoal
Zacian-C
1 Top 8
Chandelure
Comfey
Gallade
Gastrodon
Hitmontop
Iron Crown
Kingambit
Kommo-o
Landorus
Lilligant-H
Mienshao
NDW
Okidogi
Orthworm
Overqwil
Talonflame
Tsareena
Umbreon

 

[flutterfan]

Emergency emergency Reg H has been announced massive meta changes I don’t know what is gonna happen everything is just crazy WHAT IS THIS!!!

I am probably overreacting, but this format is gonna be massive in terms of what we’ve learned since Regulation B. Paradoxes and Legendaries not being legal. I think that theres gonna be some interesting compositions going around, and with so many things that haven’t been viable since what I like to call the ABC era(Reg A, Reg B, and Reg C) I think this is going to be either one of the most fun or one of the most boring Regulations we’ve had in Gen 9 so far.

As more things about what is discovered in the meta comes out, and a new meta discussion thread gets posted. I think there’s gonna be a lot of info that’s gonna be spread that will be interesting.

 

[4Kuser]

Emergency emergency Reg H has been announced massive meta changes I don’t know what is gonna happen everything is just crazy WHAT IS THIS!!!

I am probably overreacting, but this format is gonna be massive in terms of what we’ve learned since Regulation B. Paradoxes and Legendaries not being legal. I think that theres gonna be some interesting compositions going around, and with so many things that haven’t been viable since what I like to call the ABC era(Reg A, Reg B, and Reg C) I think this is going to be either one of the most fun or one of the most boring Regulations we’ve had in Gen 9 so far.

As more things about what is discovered in the meta comes out, and a new meta discussion thread gets posted. I think there’s gonna be a lot of info that’s gonna be spread that will be interesting.

Regulation H seems like a blessing and a curse to me TBH. I dont finally have to worry about Bulky Caly-S wiping me (fuck that thing), Flutter Mane speed tiers, etc. But on the other hand, I've been playing with paradoxes ever since Regulation B, which means I cant just slap Flutter Mane or Iron Hands on a team and call it a day. In other words, I'm kinda lost lmao.