Approved by the illustrious Sweep | OP stolen by the kind Aragorn the King
Art by the amazing justinjiaxinghu
Every generation is different and the metagame is constantly changing. While the viable pokemons may vary, the same playstyles, strategies and problems will be encountered along the way. Each week a Pokemon, or a “victim” as we call it, will be chosen and it is your job to find the best, most efficient and practical checks and counters to the victim of the week.
This project aims to help players to find out and know which pokes to be expected and how to efficiently handling. We hope to find new and maybe innovative ways to handle pokes that can make it possible to find new and healthy teambuilding options in the future. Maybe you will be inspired to build a new team around a certain Pokemon?
Procedure
1. Every round, I will nominate a Pokémon for discussion. Within one week's time, you guys will have the ability to discuss and nominate various Pokémon that you think can check or maybe even counter the victim of the week. Note that the moves, EV’s and Nature on the victim of the week is not set in stone, so the more prepared your check/counter is to other variations, the better it is.
2. After the deadline, I will choose the best checks/counters. Should there be a lot of nominations, I will discuss my choices with other skilled players to ensure the selections are not biased and that all nominations have been considered thoroughly. Note that while checking the victim of the week is important, it is usually better to focus on having a set that works good in the metagame or has a decent niche.
3. The results will be archived with an expanded description and the process will continue week after week.
4. We will continue where the old thread stopped.
Rules
1. When nominating your check/counter please include:
- Name of the Pokémon
- Check or Counter
- Short Description as to why you chose this particular Pokémon
- Set(s) that work well against the victim of the week
2. Follow the definitions for checks, by Aragorn the King, and counters, by MattL:
Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if Pokémon A can win every time when switching into at least one of Pokemon B's attacks, without factoring in hax.
3. When giving checks, please follow the advice of alexwolf:Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.
We are not looking for revenge killers, but for checks that are able to switch into the Pokemon in question at least once, and of course counters
4. Check if somebody has reserved a Pokémon before posting.
5. From Friday - Sunday, each person is limited to (reserving and thus) nominating ONE Pokemon. From Monday - Thursday, you can no longer reserve any Pokemon, and every other unfinished reservation will be canceled. You can submit as many checks/counters you want.
you may nominate as many as you want, including additional sets of already nominated checks/counters. You are not allowed to reserve any poke from here on,
6. Helping each-other is encouraged, but please try to be nice!
7. No SHITTY gimmicks!
8. Have Fun!
Archive
Double Dance Primal-Groudon
Checks/Counters: Groudon (WreckDra) Latios (Halcyon.) Flygon (Jibaku)
Calm Mind Primal-Kyogre
Checks/Counters: Ludicolo (DSM01) Palkia (smlj) Rayquaza (Jibaku)
Dragon Dance Mega-Salamence
Checks/Counters: Dialga (Nayrz) Lugia (brokenwings) Skarmory (Mega-Swampert)
Calm Mind Latios
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Dark (ZoroarkForever) Klefki (Steeljackal<3) Aegislash (Hack)
Geomancy Xerneas
Checks/counters: Groudon-Primal (Steeljackal<3) Klefki (PoweredByRevenge) Aegislash (Level 56)
Calm Mind Arceus-Dark
Checks/Counters: Clefable (NotAGymLdr) Arceus-Fairy (based n bad) Ho-Oh (Level 56)
Extreme Killer Arceus-Normal
Checks/Counters: Yveltal (DSM01) Skarmory (based n bad) Clefable (brokenwings) Sableye (Jibaku) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom)
Life Orb Ho-Oh
Checks/Counters: Stealth Rock (PISTOLERO) Arceus-Rock (steelphoenix) Rhyperior (-Leon-)
Life Orb Darkrai
Checks/Counters: Ho-Oh (Mr.378) Klefki (based n bad) Xerneas (Unwanted)
Calm Mind Mega Diancie
Checks/Counters: Ferrothorn (xDesch) Arceus-Ground (Dilwar) Kyogre-Primal (PoweredByRevenge)
Swords Dance Arceus-Ground
Checks/Counters: Kyogre-Primal (Nayrz) Giratina-O (based n bad) Lugia (DSM01)
Calm Mind Mewtwo
Checks/Counters: Sableye-Mega (Dilwar) Wobbufet (xDesch) Aegislash (haxiom)
Life Orb Yveltal
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Fairy (based n bad) Xerneas (haxiom) Arceus-Rock (Level 56)
3 Attacks Mega Mewtwo X
Checks/Counters: Sableye (based n bad) Aegislash (GnralLao) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom)
Power-Up Punch Mega Kankaskhan
Checks/Counters: Sableye (Level 56) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom) Ferrothorn (Mr.378)
Hazard Lead Deoxys-Speed
Checks/Counters: Sableye SparksBlade Cloyster TheAzumaKiller Smeargle Polonium209
Swords Dance Mega-Lucario
Checks/Counters: Giratina-O Polonium209 Lugia Random Passerby Arceus-Ground Level 56
Super Viable All-Out Attacker Metagross
Checks/Counters: Scizor Haruno Arceus-Dark Astroboy Arceus-Ghost TheAzumaKiller
Double/Dragon Dance Rayquaza
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Rock Lord Abbadon Arceus-Fairy Random Passerby Lugia GnralLao
Shaymin-Sky
Checks/Counters: Mega-Mewtwo-Y Sweep Mega-Gengar - Level 56 Latias Lord Abbadon
Dialga
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Ground Dragon God Red Arceus-Dark GnralLao Mega-Tyranitar RandomBro
Sowrds Dance Excadrill
Check/Counters: Skarmory Dragon God Red Arceus-Ground Level 56 Landorus-Therarian steelphoenix Giratina-Origin GnralLao Rayquaza Random Passerby
Arceus-Ghost
Checks/Couners for...
SD Variant: Darkrai steelphoenix/Sweep Arceus-Dark WreckDra Yveltal Random Passerby
CM Variant: Ho-Oh steelphoenix/Level 56 Clefable GnralLao Blissey Polonium209
Deoxys-Attack
Checks/Counters: Mega-Sableye Tenefix Mega-Scizor GnralLao Mega-Slowbro Astounded
Mega-Mawile
Checks/Counters: "Everything" by steelphoenix
Mega-Gengar
Checks/Counters: Blissey by steelphoenix, Scizor by GnralLao and Giratina by Half of Two
Double Dance Primal-Groudon
Checks/Counters: Groudon (WreckDra) Latios (Halcyon.) Flygon (Jibaku)
Calm Mind Primal-Kyogre
Checks/Counters: Ludicolo (DSM01) Palkia (smlj) Rayquaza (Jibaku)
Dragon Dance Mega-Salamence
Checks/Counters: Dialga (Nayrz) Lugia (brokenwings) Skarmory (Mega-Swampert)
Calm Mind Latios
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Dark (ZoroarkForever) Klefki (Steeljackal<3) Aegislash (Hack)
Geomancy Xerneas
Checks/counters: Groudon-Primal (Steeljackal<3) Klefki (PoweredByRevenge) Aegislash (Level 56)
Calm Mind Arceus-Dark
Checks/Counters: Clefable (NotAGymLdr) Arceus-Fairy (based n bad) Ho-Oh (Level 56)
Extreme Killer Arceus-Normal
Checks/Counters: Yveltal (DSM01) Skarmory (based n bad) Clefable (brokenwings) Sableye (Jibaku) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom)
Life Orb Ho-Oh
Checks/Counters: Stealth Rock (PISTOLERO) Arceus-Rock (steelphoenix) Rhyperior (-Leon-)
Life Orb Darkrai
Checks/Counters: Ho-Oh (Mr.378) Klefki (based n bad) Xerneas (Unwanted)
Calm Mind Mega Diancie
Checks/Counters: Ferrothorn (xDesch) Arceus-Ground (Dilwar) Kyogre-Primal (PoweredByRevenge)
Swords Dance Arceus-Ground
Checks/Counters: Kyogre-Primal (Nayrz) Giratina-O (based n bad) Lugia (DSM01)
Calm Mind Mewtwo
Checks/Counters: Sableye-Mega (Dilwar) Wobbufet (xDesch) Aegislash (haxiom)
Life Orb Yveltal
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Fairy (based n bad) Xerneas (haxiom) Arceus-Rock (Level 56)
3 Attacks Mega Mewtwo X
Checks/Counters: Sableye (based n bad) Aegislash (GnralLao) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom)
Power-Up Punch Mega Kankaskhan
Checks/Counters: Sableye (Level 56) Arceus-Ghost (haxiom) Ferrothorn (Mr.378)
Hazard Lead Deoxys-Speed
Checks/Counters: Sableye SparksBlade Cloyster TheAzumaKiller Smeargle Polonium209
Swords Dance Mega-Lucario
Checks/Counters: Giratina-O Polonium209 Lugia Random Passerby Arceus-Ground Level 56
Super Viable All-Out Attacker Metagross
Checks/Counters: Scizor Haruno Arceus-Dark Astroboy Arceus-Ghost TheAzumaKiller
Double/Dragon Dance Rayquaza
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Rock Lord Abbadon Arceus-Fairy Random Passerby Lugia GnralLao
Shaymin-Sky
Checks/Counters: Mega-Mewtwo-Y Sweep Mega-Gengar - Level 56 Latias Lord Abbadon
Dialga
Checks/Counters: Arceus-Ground Dragon God Red Arceus-Dark GnralLao Mega-Tyranitar RandomBro
Sowrds Dance Excadrill
Check/Counters: Skarmory Dragon God Red Arceus-Ground Level 56 Landorus-Therarian steelphoenix Giratina-Origin GnralLao Rayquaza Random Passerby
Arceus-Ghost
Checks/Couners for...
SD Variant: Darkrai steelphoenix/Sweep Arceus-Dark WreckDra Yveltal Random Passerby
CM Variant: Ho-Oh steelphoenix/Level 56 Clefable GnralLao Blissey Polonium209
Deoxys-Attack
Checks/Counters: Mega-Sableye Tenefix Mega-Scizor GnralLao Mega-Slowbro Astounded
Mega-Mawile
Checks/Counters: "Everything" by steelphoenix
Mega-Gengar
Checks/Counters: Blissey by steelphoenix, Scizor by GnralLao and Giratina by Half of Two
Hall of Fame
2 - WreckDra
1 - Halcyon.
3 - Jibaku
1 - smlj
3 - DSM01
2 - Nayrz
1 - Mega-Swampert
2 - brokenwings
1 - Hack
6 - steelphoenix
1 - ZoroarkForever
2 - PoweredByRevenge
8 - Level 56
6 - based n bad
1 - NotAGymLdr
4 - haxiom
1 - PISTOLERO
1 - -Leon-
1 - Unwanted
2 - Mr.378
2 - Dilwar
2 – xDesch
7 - GnralLao
3 - Polonium209
2 - TheAzumaKiller
1 - SparksBlade
4 - Random Passerby
1- Haruno
1- Astroboy
2- Lord Abbadon
2- Sweep
2- Dragon God Red
1- RandomBro
1- Tenefix
1- Astounded
1- Half of Two
2 - WreckDra
1 - Halcyon.
3 - Jibaku
1 - smlj
3 - DSM01
2 - Nayrz
1 - Mega-Swampert
2 - brokenwings
1 - Hack
6 - steelphoenix
1 - ZoroarkForever
2 - PoweredByRevenge
8 - Level 56
6 - based n bad
1 - NotAGymLdr
4 - haxiom
1 - PISTOLERO
1 - -Leon-
1 - Unwanted
2 - Mr.378
2 - Dilwar
2 – xDesch
7 - GnralLao
3 - Polonium209
2 - TheAzumaKiller
1 - SparksBlade
4 - Random Passerby
1- Haruno
1- Astroboy
2- Lord Abbadon
2- Sweep
2- Dragon God Red
1- RandomBro
1- Tenefix
1- Astounded
1- Half of Two
Week 28: Giratina-Origin:
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: ???
??? Nature
- Shadow Force
- Shadow Ball
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak
- Dragon Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Defog
- Rest
Others: HP Fire, Destiny Bond, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Aqua Tail, Substitue, Shadow Claw, etc.
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