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Reserving Chesnaught.
The Fighter (Chesnaught) @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Leech Seed
- Drain Punch
- Spikes
- Wood Hammer / Spiky Shield
Chesnaught is the perfect counter to Choice Band Tyranitar, thanks to its absolutely insane Defense stat. Chesnaught resists both of Tyranitar's STAB moves, and takes Superpower relatively well. In return, it has a chance of OHKOing Tyranitar with Drain Punch.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 69-81 (18.1 - 21.3%) -- possible 5HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 86-102 (22.6 - 26.8%) -- 29.3% chance to 4HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 138-163 (36.3 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 86-102 (22.6 - 26.8%) -- 29.3% chance to 4HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 138-163 (36.3 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Chesnaught Drain Punch vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 316-376 (88 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
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Hard Counter: RestTalk Defensive Pivot Mega Garchomp
Now, Mega Garchomp is normally seen as a super-powerful wallbreaker (4 attacks set, can be mixed) or a sweeper (SD). This is a different beast, one that focuses on being a fat wall that hits harder than ScarfChomp with 0 attack investment that also shuffles things with Dragon Tail while being fatter than Standard TankChomp by a substantial margin.
I posted this set in Creative and Underrated Sets, and earlier in this thread (countering Magma Storm Heatran) where I show how this checks/counters a hell of a lot of meta Pokemon, and provides general team utility (plus a bunch more calcs), but let's get on to countering a true monster, Choice Band Tyranitar.
Garchomp-Mega (M) @ Garchompite
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Defensively, versus CB Tyranitar
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 153-181 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 153-180 (36.4 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 95-112 (22.6 - 26.6%) -- 97.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 95-112 (22.6 - 26.6%) -- 30.6% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp on a critical hit: 229-271 (54.5 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You eat up any of CB Tar's attacks; even if Crunch gets a crit as you switch in (assuming no Rocks for this), you have good odds to win the 1v1, because the second Crunch has roughly 50% chance to KO you. Stone Edge basically tickles you, as it doesn't even 4HKO most of the time (only with rocks is it guaranteed).
In comparison, Standard TankChomp gets 2HKO'd by Adamant Crunch after a very small amount of chip damage (Crunch does 42-50% to the standard set), and since you have no recovery, after one Stone Edge, Crunch 2HKO's standard TankChomp. You on the other hand, outspeed and can Rest up to full comfortably and Sleep Talk til you win, or just go for the EQ off the bat.
Offensively, versus CB Tyranitar
CB Tyranitar will generally either bring in Sand, or Sand will still be up when Chomp comes in. But let's assume worst-case scenario: sand isn't up.
0 Atk Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 314-372 (87.4 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
With pretty much any chip damage-1 layer of Spikes, or SR-it's over a 90% chance to OHKO CB Tar back.
0 Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar in Sand: 408-482 (113.6 - 134.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
In sand, it's not even close.
But let's say you rested up, and Sleep Talk picks out Dragon Tail.
0 Atk Mega Garchomp Dragon Tail vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 94-112 (26.1 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Respectable damage, and your Dragon Tail does more damage than CB Tyranitar's Stone Edge.
AND REMEMBER, once you switch in, you force out CB Tyranitar and can fire off absurdly powerful Sand Force boosted Earthquakes (unlike many other counters which have comparatively weak EQs).
0 Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew in Sand: 222-262 (54.9 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 135-160 (33.4 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 180-213 (44.5 - 52.7%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
In conclusion, the ability to have something that easily can switch into CB Tar is hard to find, but combine that with something that has massive offensive power back and can shuffle while being tanky, and you've got something special in RestTalk Mega Garchomp.
Now, Mega Garchomp is normally seen as a super-powerful wallbreaker (4 attacks set, can be mixed) or a sweeper (SD). This is a different beast, one that focuses on being a fat wall that hits harder than ScarfChomp with 0 attack investment that also shuffles things with Dragon Tail while being fatter than Standard TankChomp by a substantial margin.
I posted this set in Creative and Underrated Sets, and earlier in this thread (countering Magma Storm Heatran) where I show how this checks/counters a hell of a lot of meta Pokemon, and provides general team utility (plus a bunch more calcs), but let's get on to countering a true monster, Choice Band Tyranitar.
Garchomp-Mega (M) @ Garchompite
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Defensively, versus CB Tyranitar
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 153-181 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 153-180 (36.4 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 95-112 (22.6 - 26.6%) -- 97.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp: 95-112 (22.6 - 26.6%) -- 30.6% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Mega Garchomp on a critical hit: 229-271 (54.5 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You eat up any of CB Tar's attacks; even if Crunch gets a crit as you switch in (assuming no Rocks for this), you have good odds to win the 1v1, because the second Crunch has roughly 50% chance to KO you. Stone Edge basically tickles you, as it doesn't even 4HKO most of the time (only with rocks is it guaranteed).
In comparison, Standard TankChomp gets 2HKO'd by Adamant Crunch after a very small amount of chip damage (Crunch does 42-50% to the standard set), and since you have no recovery, after one Stone Edge, Crunch 2HKO's standard TankChomp. You on the other hand, outspeed and can Rest up to full comfortably and Sleep Talk til you win, or just go for the EQ off the bat.
Offensively, versus CB Tyranitar
CB Tyranitar will generally either bring in Sand, or Sand will still be up when Chomp comes in. But let's assume worst-case scenario: sand isn't up.
0 Atk Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 314-372 (87.4 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
With pretty much any chip damage-1 layer of Spikes, or SR-it's over a 90% chance to OHKO CB Tar back.
0 Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar in Sand: 408-482 (113.6 - 134.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
In sand, it's not even close.
But let's say you rested up, and Sleep Talk picks out Dragon Tail.
0 Atk Mega Garchomp Dragon Tail vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 94-112 (26.1 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Respectable damage, and your Dragon Tail does more damage than CB Tyranitar's Stone Edge.
AND REMEMBER, once you switch in, you force out CB Tyranitar and can fire off absurdly powerful Sand Force boosted Earthquakes (unlike many other counters which have comparatively weak EQs).
0 Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew in Sand: 222-262 (54.9 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 135-160 (33.4 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 180-213 (44.5 - 52.7%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
In conclusion, the ability to have something that easily can switch into CB Tar is hard to find, but combine that with something that has massive offensive power back and can shuffle while being tanky, and you've got something special in RestTalk Mega Garchomp.
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Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 29 HP
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Swords Dance
- Spore
Check
Can switch into crunch and stone edge (once!) and proceeds to get rid of it with LO mach punch. Not much else to say really, switch-ins to this thing are really limited :V but loom is a cool mon so yeah.
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Name: Hippowdon
Status: Counter
Drywall (Hippowdon) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge
Tyranitar can't do jack shit to its fellow sand-setter. The best it can do is 3HKO it with Crunch, which even then, that's not guaranteed. It's also not enough to make up for the fact that it's 2HKO'd by Hippowdon's Earthquake.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 154-183 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 218-260 (60.7 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Status: Counter
Drywall (Hippowdon) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge
Tyranitar can't do jack shit to its fellow sand-setter. The best it can do is 3HKO it with Crunch, which even then, that's not guaranteed. It's also not enough to make up for the fact that it's 2HKO'd by Hippowdon's Earthquake.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 154-183 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 218-260 (60.7 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Cobalion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 144 HP / 112 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Volt Switch
- Iron Head
- Taunt / Stealth Rock
Cobalion checks Tyranitar fairly well, taking fairly little damage from Tyranitar's STABs and being able to OHKO Tyranitar in return. However, Tyranitar is able to OHKO Cobalion with Superpower, making it something to watch out for. Luckily a Tyranitar locked into a non-STAB attack at -1 is fairly easy to take advantage of.
112 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 100 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 492-580 (134.4 - 158.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 354-418 (98.8 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 89-105 (24.8 - 29.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 55-65 (15.3 - 18.1%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Conkeldurr @ Assault Vest
Ability: Guts
EVs: 148 HP / 108 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Ice Punch
- Poison Jab
Standard set here. Assault Vest gives Conkeldurr a bit of bulk, allowing it to survive attacks that would otherwise take it out. With access to a wide movepool, Conkeldurr is able to attack different mons, and against Tyranitar, Drain Punch and Mach Punch are very useful moves, that instantly OHKO it. Tyranitar can dent Conkeldurr quite a bit, but Conk is able to attack back with double the power. Furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, its vast movepool means it can be put on nearly any team as it can check a plethora of Pokemon, not only Tyranitar. The EV spread allows Conkeldurr to withstand Tyranitar's attacks, even when boosted by Choice Band.
108+ Atk Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 472-564 (131.4 - 157.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 148 HP / 252 Def Conkeldurr: 90-106 (23.1 - 27.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage
Counter
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Fire Blast / Toxic
Garchomp can switch in on most of Tyranitar's attacks, then proceed to OHKO it with Earthquake after one round of Rough Skin and Helmet damage or one use of Superpower.
Crunch and Superpower do have a chance to 2HKO if hazards are up and the damage rolls are in Tyranitar's favor, but Garchomp's higher speed usually makes this a non-issue.
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Fire Blast / Toxic
Garchomp can switch in on most of Tyranitar's attacks, then proceed to OHKO it with Earthquake after one round of Rough Skin and Helmet damage or one use of Superpower.
Crunch and Superpower do have a chance to 2HKO if hazards are up and the damage rolls are in Tyranitar's favor, but Garchomp's higher speed usually makes this a non-issue.
Offensive:
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 252-296 (70.1 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Tail vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 76-90 (21.1 - 25%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO
0- SpA Garchomp Fire Blast vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 29-35 (8 - 9.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Defensive:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Pursuit vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 88-105 (21.1 - 25.1%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 175-207 (41.9 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 109-129 (26.1 - 30.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 175-207 (41.9 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 252-296 (70.1 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Tail vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 76-90 (21.1 - 25%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO
0- SpA Garchomp Fire Blast vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 29-35 (8 - 9.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Defensive:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Pursuit vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 88-105 (21.1 - 25.1%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 175-207 (41.9 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 109-129 (26.1 - 30.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 175-207 (41.9 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn / Knock Off
Role: Hard Check
Intimidate effectively cancels out the CB boost, and as a result, Stone Edge fails to 2HKO even with rocks up. In return, Lando-T's own EQ has a small chance to OHKO Tyranitar after rocks (and will also KO after Superpower). If Tyranitar chooses to switch, you can U-turn out; alternatively, Knock Off is also a fine choice because it's Knock Off. Unfortunately, EQ does not do enough damage to be a true counter, but Lando is enough to be a check.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 115-136 (30.1 - 35.6%) -- 34.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (it will not 3HKO if rocks are not up, for what it's worth)
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 144-169 (37.6 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 272-324 (75.7 - 90.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 144-169 (37.6 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 272-324 (75.7 - 90.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SpD
Calm Nature
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave
- Play Rough
- Magnet Rise
Klefki can switch into a Stone Edge or Crunch with relative ease and proceed to have a decent chance to 2HKO after rocks with Play Rough. If however, TTar goes for Superpower, Klefki can TWave and cripple the former for the rest of the game.
Calcs:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 56 Def Klefki: 111-132 (34.9 - 41.5%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 56 Def Klefki: 140-165 (44 - 51.8%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 56 Def Klefki: 224-264 (70.4 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Klefki Play Rough vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 150-176 (41.7 - 49%) -- 74.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
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mega aggron as a counter
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
calling this thing a counter may be a bit of a stretch, but given that aggron is always paired with wish support, i don't think its too ridiculous to call a counter.
mega aggron eats anything cb ttar throws at it and threatens heavy damage in return especially after superpower drops and when paired with wish support, it will always outlast cb ttar, making it a pretty solid counter overall.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 142-168 (41.2 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 94-112 (27.3 - 32.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 178-210 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. -1 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 268-316 (74.6 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
calling this thing a counter may be a bit of a stretch, but given that aggron is always paired with wish support, i don't think its too ridiculous to call a counter.
mega aggron eats anything cb ttar throws at it and threatens heavy damage in return especially after superpower drops and when paired with wish support, it will always outlast cb ttar, making it a pretty solid counter overall.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 142-168 (41.2 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 94-112 (27.3 - 32.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 178-210 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. -1 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 268-316 (74.6 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 148 Spe
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost
With a physically defensive spread, Gliscor becomes a nice response to CB Tar. Factoring in Poison Heal, Crunch is a 3HKO, dealing 42.7 - 50.4%. As such, Gliscor is able to switch in and win between EQ and Roost to heal any damage taken in the process. Although CB Stone Edge does a number (53.5 - 63.1%) on the switch, Gliscor is still able to come in on the attack and win one on one. This is because it's granted a resistance to rock upon using Roost, allowing Gliscor to easily PP stall Stone Edge or simply heal once on the attack, SD afterwards, and then KO Tar with a +2 EQ (105.8 - 125.3%). With Knock Off, Gliscor separates itself from other counters by being able to remove Tar's CB, reducing its power significantly. Crunch defense drops aside, Gliscor makes for a solid counter, being able to switch in and win in most cases while keeping itself healthy enough to respond to Tar through the course of a match thanks to its recovery options.
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Toxicroak as a check
Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs : 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Gunk Shot
Toxicroak resists all the attacks Tyranitar has, as his nost powerful attack, Stone Edge, isn't even sure to 2HKO as Black Sludge annulate sandstorm damage.
252+ Atk Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Toxicroak: 129-153 (42 - 49.8%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, sandstorm damage, and Black Sludge recovery
And Drain Punch OHKOes regardless
Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs : 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Gunk Shot
Toxicroak resists all the attacks Tyranitar has, as his nost powerful attack, Stone Edge, isn't even sure to 2HKO as Black Sludge annulate sandstorm damage.
252+ Atk Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Toxicroak: 129-153 (42 - 49.8%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, sandstorm damage, and Black Sludge recovery
And Drain Punch OHKOes regardless
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Name: Gastrodon
Status: Check
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Curse
- Recover
Gastrodon avoids the 2HKO from any move Tyranitar carries except Crunch. If it switches in on any other move, it can begin setting up with Curse or heal itself with Recover. If Gastrodon manages to Curse at least once, Tyranitar won't be able to get past it.
Status: Check
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Curse
- Recover
Gastrodon avoids the 2HKO from any move Tyranitar carries except Crunch. If it switches in on any other move, it can begin setting up with Curse or heal itself with Recover. If Gastrodon manages to Curse at least once, Tyranitar won't be able to get past it.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 202-238 (47.4 - 55.8%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 126-148 (29.5 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 135-159 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 14.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 84-99 (19.7 - 23.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 126-148 (29.5 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 135-159 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 14.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 84-99 (19.7 - 23.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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Krookodile @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
Krookodile is a pretty good check to Tyranitar. Unlike other checks like Breloom and Mega Lopunny, it can switch in at least twice against Stone Edge and Crunch without fearing the chance of getting 2HKO'd. The only move Krookodile has to fear from Tyranitar is Superpower, which will obviously OHKO. In return, Krookodile outspeeds Tyranitar and can OHKO it with Life Orb Earthquake.
252 Atk Life Orb Krookodile Earthquake vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 367-432 (102.2 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 110-129 (33.2 - 38.9%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 350-414 (105.7 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Well most of the counters are taken so I'll post a couple of checks.
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Hammer Arm
- Grass Knot
Metagross is able to outspeed and OHKO Tyranitar also being a steel type and possessing decent bulk is sometimes able to switch in on ttar locked into stone edge.
Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Iron Tail
Lucario is also able to outspeed Ttar and ohko it as well as being able set up on a choice locked Ttar getting +1 attack if hit by a dark move.
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Hammer Arm
- Grass Knot
Metagross is able to outspeed and OHKO Tyranitar also being a steel type and possessing decent bulk is sometimes able to switch in on ttar locked into stone edge.
Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Iron Tail
Lucario is also able to outspeed Ttar and ohko it as well as being able set up on a choice locked Ttar getting +1 attack if hit by a dark move.
Check: Mega Heracross
Heracross-Mega @ Heracronite
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
Heracross can live any hit from Ttar bar Stone Edge, outspeeds it, and obliviates it with Close Combat or Pin Missile.
Tyranitar calcs:
Heracross-Mega @ Heracronite
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
Heracross can live any hit from Ttar bar Stone Edge, outspeeds it, and obliviates it with Close Combat or Pin Missile.
252 Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 948-1116 (264 - 310.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 510-600 (142 - 167.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 510-600 (142 - 167.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tyranitar calcs:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 97-115 (32.2 - 38.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 244-288 (81 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 81-96 (26.9 - 31.8%) -- 54.7% chance to 3HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 244-288 (81 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 81-96 (26.9 - 31.8%) -- 54.7% chance to 3HKO after sandstorm damage
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Week 94 Voting: Thanks for all the nominations, guys!
Checks:
vi Keldeo
v Landorus-T
iv Breloom
iii Coil Zygarde
iii Mega Lopunny
iii Cobalion
ii Gastrodon
ii Conkeldurr
i Mega Heracross
Mega Metagross
Lucario
Toxicroak
i Klefki
Counters:
v Chesnaught
iv Hippowdon
iii Rocky Helmet Garchomp
ii Defensive Mega Garchomp
i Mega Aggron
Physically Defensive SD Gliscor
You may vote for 2 checks and 1 counter.
Checks:
vi Keldeo
v Landorus-T
iv Breloom
iii Coil Zygarde
iii Mega Lopunny
iii Cobalion
ii Gastrodon
ii Conkeldurr
i Mega Heracross
Mega Metagross
Lucario
Toxicroak
i Klefki
Counters:
v Chesnaught
iv Hippowdon
iii Rocky Helmet Garchomp
ii Defensive Mega Garchomp
i Mega Aggron
Physically Defensive SD Gliscor
You may vote for 2 checks and 1 counter.
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Checks: Mega Heracross, Coil Zygarde
Counter: Hippowdon
edit: post 1337, lol
Counter: Hippowdon
edit: post 1337, lol
Checks: Cobalion , Keldeo
Counters: Chesnaught
Counters: Chesnaught
