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Project Victim of the Week
- Thread starter Aragorn the King
- Start date
Week 102: Thanks for all the votes! The results are:
Checks: Sitrus Berry Fast Rotom-W (NotFalse) | Latios (Tressed) | Mega Manectric (matthewc20090)
Counters: Mega Latias (Dr Ciel) | Goodra (Martin.) | Jellicent (Skarmx2)
Week 103: T-wave CM Clef
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Calm Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
CM Clef has already been done before, but the previous set didn't primarily feature T-wave, which is a really common move that stops certain 'mons from being reliable switch-ins. So for this let's try to find mons not hindered by T-wave.
Checks: Sitrus Berry Fast Rotom-W (NotFalse) | Latios (Tressed) | Mega Manectric (matthewc20090)
Counters: Mega Latias (Dr Ciel) | Goodra (Martin.) | Jellicent (Skarmx2)
Week 103: T-wave CM Clef
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Calm Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
CM Clef has already been done before, but the previous set didn't primarily feature T-wave, which is a really common move that stops certain 'mons from being reliable switch-ins. So for this let's try to find mons not hindered by T-wave.
Attachments
Roserade @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Spikes
- Sludge Bomb
- Leaf Storm
- Sleep Powder / Synthesis
This is one of the few reasons to use Roserade in OU. Natural Gift is a pretty big deal in this situation, forcing Clefable to go for Thunder Wave each time Roserade switches in if it wants it to remain paralyzed. Moonblast doesn't do too much to Roserade, while Sludge Bomb has a small chance to OHKO Clefable in return. Sleep Powder is much better in general, allowing Roserade to apply offensive pressure by putting its checks to sleep. Synthesis, however, gives Roserade a way to keep itself topped up, which allows it to keep up with Clefable's longevity for a little longer.
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 338-400 (85.7 - 101.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 47-56 (18.1 - 21.6%) -- possible 5HKO
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Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
nidoking is one of the single best clefable counters in the tier, being immune to thunder wave, resisting moonblast and taking fairly low damage from all of clefs other options apart from ice beam. nidoking switches in and threatens an ohko on clefable or a 2hko if clef has boosted with cm previously.
Sludge Wave vs.
: 359-424 (91.1 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Sludge Wave vs. +1
: 242-283 (61.4 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Nidoking: 62-73 (20.4 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
nidoking is one of the single best clefable counters in the tier, being immune to thunder wave, resisting moonblast and taking fairly low damage from all of clefs other options apart from ice beam. nidoking switches in and threatens an ohko on clefable or a 2hko if clef has boosted with cm previously.
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Counter
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Fire
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
Magnezone makes for a suburb counter to Calm Mind Clefable. Thanks to its Steel / Electric-typing and decent enough bulk, it is immune to Thunder Wave and takes less than 20% from Moonblast. Magnezone can proceed to Volt Switch on a predicted switch to gain momentum for its teammates or OHKO Clefable with Flash Cannon (or easily 2HKO if Clefable Calm Minds on the switch in, but usually the Clefable user will want to switch it out). Even if Clefable somehow gets to +2 with Calm Mind beforehand, Magnezone is still capable of breaking past it. (If you let a Clefable get to +3 without switching in your counter, well then you deserve to lose lol)
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Fire
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
Magnezone makes for a suburb counter to Calm Mind Clefable. Thanks to its Steel / Electric-typing and decent enough bulk, it is immune to Thunder Wave and takes less than 20% from Moonblast. Magnezone can proceed to Volt Switch on a predicted switch to gain momentum for its teammates or OHKO Clefable with Flash Cannon (or easily 2HKO if Clefable Calm Minds on the switch in, but usually the Clefable user will want to switch it out). Even if Clefable somehow gets to +2 with Calm Mind beforehand, Magnezone is still capable of breaking past it. (If you let a Clefable get to +3 without switching in your counter, well then you deserve to lose lol)
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 168 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 54-63 (16.7 - 19.5%) -- guaranteed 6HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 390-462 (98.9 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. +2 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 390-462 (98.9 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. +2 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 8 Def / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost
Specially Defensive SD Gliscor is an okay counter to CM + Thunder Wave Clefable. It's immune to Thunder Wave, and assuming Clefable uses CM on the turn Gliscor switches in, +1 Moonblast will do 38.3 - 45.1% on the following turn. As such, Gliscor can comfortably SD to +2, proceed to EQ for 54.8 - 64.7% worth of damage, and ultimately win the encounter 1v1. The cool thing about Gliscor as a counter is its immunity to Spikes, which are commonly used alongside Clefable to wear down its checks and counters. This combined with reliable access to recovery between Roost and Poison Heal to keep itself healthy makes Gliscor a solid overall answer.
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Xatu @ Colbur Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 160 Def / 100 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stored Power
- Heat Wave
- Calm Mind
- Roost
This set is actually something cool I've been testing a little bit recently after seeing Snowy. use it.
Basically Magic Bounce makes Xatu a really big threat against more passive teams which usually rely on hazards, and status to deal large amounts of the damage they deal. In the case of Clefable, it uses Thunder Wave in order to grant itself a larger number of setup opportunities that eventually allow it to bs past stuff it shouldn't beat.
Thanks to Magic Bounce, Xatu can't be Thunder Waved, and barring a crit Xatu's decent bulk allows it to stomach neutral Moonblast and can setup alongside Clefable. Once the boosting war is over, Xatu simply overwhelms Clefable with a boosted Stored Power.
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Xatu: 132-156 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+6 0 SpA Xatu Stored Power (260 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 243-286 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+6 0 SpA Xatu Stored Power (260 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 243-286 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
The Spe investment allows Xatu to outpace the likes of Jolly Mega Heracross, Mega Scizor, and Adamant Excadrill, which can be useful to pick them off with a Heat Wave. The remaining Def investment gives Xatu a good chance to be able to switch into, and Roost stall Ferrothorn's Gyro Ball. It also avoids the 2HKO from Mega Sableye's Foul Play or Knock Off (Once Xatu's item has been knocked off) and Stallbreaker Talonflame's Brave Bird.
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Steelix @ Steelixite
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang / Stone Edge / Toxic / Roar
Steelix shrugs off Clefable's attacks, is immune to T-wave and OHKOs with Heavy Slam. Steelix is particularly notable as it is probably the only viable rocker that doesn't get boned by any of Clefable's variants, which is pretty big when you consider that Clefable is the best Pokémon in the game. There's a better spread (I calculated it recently) but I can't remember what it is and sure as hell can't be asked to look through my teams for it.
+1 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Steelix: 104-123 (29.3 - 34.7%) -- 8.3% chance to 3HKO
+1 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Steelix: 76-90 (21.4 - 25.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 440-518 (111.6 - 131.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Mega Beedrill as a Check
Beedrill @ Beedrillite
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- U-turn
- Poison Jab
- Knock Off / Drill Run
Though it's certainly not the best Mega all-around, Killer Bee can act as a nice Fairy check and excellent momentum grabber for its team. In this case, it can even come into Clefable's Moonblast at +1 without losing too much HP (or do we say too many, since it stands for "health points"? hmmm... anyway, back to M-Beedrill) due to its typing and decent SpDef. I return, Killer Bee easily outspeeds and OHKOes Clefable with a powerful Poison Jab to the face. Clefable's only way to deal with M-Beedrill is to use Thunder Wave on the switch, as a paralysed Bee is a dead Bee. Therefore, it's still recommended, if possible, to switch M-Beedrill in via VoltTurn or after one of its teammates got KOed.
Beedrill @ Beedrillite
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- U-turn
- Poison Jab
- Knock Off / Drill Run
Though it's certainly not the best Mega all-around, Killer Bee can act as a nice Fairy check and excellent momentum grabber for its team. In this case, it can even come into Clefable's Moonblast at +1 without losing too much HP (or do we say too many, since it stands for "health points"? hmmm... anyway, back to M-Beedrill) due to its typing and decent SpDef. I return, Killer Bee easily outspeeds and OHKOes Clefable with a powerful Poison Jab to the face. Clefable's only way to deal with M-Beedrill is to use Thunder Wave on the switch, as a paralysed Bee is a dead Bee. Therefore, it's still recommended, if possible, to switch M-Beedrill in via VoltTurn or after one of its teammates got KOed.
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Beedrill: 59-69 (21.7 - 25.4%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO
+1 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Beedrill: 88-104 (32.4 - 38.3%) -- 97.9% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Adaptability Mega Beedrill Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 408-484 (103.5 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Beedrill: 88-104 (32.4 - 38.3%) -- 97.9% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Adaptability Mega Beedrill Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 408-484 (103.5 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Specially defensive Excadrill as a Counter
Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic/Stealth Rock
Excadrill can always safely switch in against Clefable. Because of its typing it can't be paralysed, and eats Moonblasts for days. In return Drill can setup rocks, spin potential hazards away or 2HKO Clefable with Iron Head.
4 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 236-278 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 46-54 (10.8 - 12.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+6 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 183-216 (43.1 - 50.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Even if Clefable somehow managed to boost up to +6, it still can't 2HKO Drill with Moonblast.
Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic/Stealth Rock
Excadrill can always safely switch in against Clefable. Because of its typing it can't be paralysed, and eats Moonblasts for days. In return Drill can setup rocks, spin potential hazards away or 2HKO Clefable with Iron Head.
4 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 236-278 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 46-54 (10.8 - 12.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+6 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 183-216 (43.1 - 50.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Even if Clefable somehow managed to boost up to +6, it still can't 2HKO Drill with Moonblast.
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Bisharp as a Check.
Bisharp @ Lum Berry / Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
While not really the safest switchin, if Bisharp gets in on Clef, it really has nothing to fear: while Moonblast does 2HKO 89.1% of the time, as long as Bisharp is healthy it can either SD up, in which case it doesn't have to worry about T-Wave either due to Lum, or it can Iron Head for theskillful flinch, and even without a flinch, Clef is comfortably 2HKO'd:
252+ Atk Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 294-348 (74.6 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 584-690 (148.2 - 175.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And a nice thing is that Clef even has to be wary about clicking Moonblast or else it may risk raising Bisharp's attack due to the SpA drop from Moonblast, so all in all, this is a very solid check to this Clef set.
Edit: Adamant LO Bisharp's Iron Head OHKO's Clef most of the time if you just want to beat it without having to resort to boosting or 2HKO'ing Clef, although you will have to be careful with Clef players that just love throwing T-Wave all over the place if you decide to go with LO over Lum Berry, so I'd say Lum helps you provide a more consistent check, although LO is still a great option:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 382-452 (96.9 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Bisharp @ Lum Berry / Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
While not really the safest switchin, if Bisharp gets in on Clef, it really has nothing to fear: while Moonblast does 2HKO 89.1% of the time, as long as Bisharp is healthy it can either SD up, in which case it doesn't have to worry about T-Wave either due to Lum, or it can Iron Head for the
252+ Atk Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 294-348 (74.6 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 584-690 (148.2 - 175.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And a nice thing is that Clef even has to be wary about clicking Moonblast or else it may risk raising Bisharp's attack due to the SpA drop from Moonblast, so all in all, this is a very solid check to this Clef set.
Edit: Adamant LO Bisharp's Iron Head OHKO's Clef most of the time if you just want to beat it without having to resort to boosting or 2HKO'ing Clef, although you will have to be careful with Clef players that just love throwing T-Wave all over the place if you decide to go with LO over Lum Berry, so I'd say Lum helps you provide a more consistent check, although LO is still a great option:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 382-452 (96.9 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
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Name: Heatran
Status: Counter
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Heatran outspeeds Clefable, so it can Taunt it before it can use Thunder Wave. It can then trap and stall out Clefable with Magma Storm. Because it 4x resists Fairy attacks, Clefable can't do jack shit against this thing (0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 23-27 (7.1 - 8.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever).
Status: Counter
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic
Heatran outspeeds Clefable, so it can Taunt it before it can use Thunder Wave. It can then trap and stall out Clefable with Magma Storm. Because it 4x resists Fairy attacks, Clefable can't do jack shit against this thing (0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 23-27 (7.1 - 8.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever).
Counter
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Calm Nature
- Giga Drain
- Clear Smog
- Foul Play
- Sludge Bomb
Amoonguss does a nice job countering Clefable, due its decent defense stats and its moves such as Clear and sluge keep it on under control. Clear Smog prevents to become a setup fodder and Sludge Bomb forces your opponent to make a switch.
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Calm Nature
- Giga Drain
- Clear Smog
- Foul Play
- Sludge Bomb
Amoonguss does a nice job countering Clefable, due its decent defense stats and its moves such as Clear and sluge keep it on under control. Clear Smog prevents to become a setup fodder and Sludge Bomb forces your opponent to make a switch.
Dragalge @ Draco Plate
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 228 HP / 252 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Toxic Spikes
Dragalge is a nice Check to CM + TWave Clefable, as even after a CM, Sludge Wave 2HKOs Clefable and due to it's low speed, Dragalge doesn't really mind being Thunder Waved besides the hax that comes from it. Dragalge can even set up Toxic Spikes on Clefable if it wants, and it's massive special bulk lets it take Moonblasts comfortably as well.
252+ SpA Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. +1 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 224-268 (56.8 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 340-400 (86.2 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+1 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Dragalge: 123-145 (37.5 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Name: Reuniclus
Status: Check
Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Recover
Reuniclus takes very little from Moonblast and can beat Clefable in a Calm Mind war because of Psyshock. It also doesn't really care about Paralysis since it's already so slow. However, full paralysis might cause Clefable to be able to overwhelm it so Reuniclus is only a check.
Status: Check
Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Recover
Reuniclus takes very little from Moonblast and can beat Clefable in a Calm Mind war because of Psyshock. It also doesn't really care about Paralysis since it's already so slow. However, full paralysis might cause Clefable to be able to overwhelm it so Reuniclus is only a check.
+1 0 SpA Reuniclus Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 165-195 (41.8 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. +1 252 HP / 56 SpD Reuniclus: 70-84 (16.5 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 56 SpD Reuniclus: 105-124 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. +1 252 HP / 56 SpD Reuniclus: 70-84 (16.5 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 56 SpD Reuniclus: 105-124 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
Counter: AV Metagross
Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 33-39 (9 - 10.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 326-386 (82.7 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 492-578 (124.8 - 146.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
AV Metagross takes negligible damage from Clefable and, in return, can revenge kill easily the Fairy which can win only if it haxes 11 times in a row. Regular Metagross needs 2 attacks to get rid of Clefable or 1 if it has already boosted its attack.
Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 33-39 (9 - 10.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 326-386 (82.7 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 492-578 (124.8 - 146.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
AV Metagross takes negligible damage from Clefable and, in return, can revenge kill easily the Fairy which can win only if it haxes 11 times in a row. Regular Metagross needs 2 attacks to get rid of Clefable or 1 if it has already boosted its attack.
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Quagsire — Counter
Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Recover
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Scald
Specially defensive Quagsire is able to check Clefable easily due to Unaware, ground typing, and Recover. Moonblast does a maximum of 41% (0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Quagsire on a critical hit: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 75% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery) and without a crit it can only do 28% (
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Quagsire: 93-109 (23.6 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery). Quagsire, on the other hand, can deal 30% each hit (4 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 100-118 (25.3 - 29.9%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery) before boosting with Curse.
Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Recover
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Scald
Specially defensive Quagsire is able to check Clefable easily due to Unaware, ground typing, and Recover. Moonblast does a maximum of 41% (0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Quagsire on a critical hit: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 75% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery) and without a crit it can only do 28% (
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Quagsire: 93-109 (23.6 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery). Quagsire, on the other hand, can deal 30% each hit (4 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 100-118 (25.3 - 29.9%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery) before boosting with Curse.
Is this even a thing? Just curious.
Yeah it's a thing, but that ev spread is a little whacky imo. It's usually 248 HP, 72 SpD, rest in defense relaxed. The spd garuntees that quag will be able to beat clef even if moonblasts crits you iirc.
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Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Thunder Punch
- Bullet Punch
Metagross I think it's the best fairy killer ou, easily manages to make exhausted Clefable with M.mash also manages to strength under his blows without too much trouble,
252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 434-512 (110.1 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If it run Flametrower.. 0 SpA Clefable Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Metagross: 114-136 (37.8 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Thunder Punch
- Bullet Punch
Metagross I think it's the best fairy killer ou, easily manages to make exhausted Clefable with M.mash also manages to strength under his blows without too much trouble,
252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 434-512 (110.1 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If it run Flametrower.. 0 SpA Clefable Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Metagross: 114-136 (37.8 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Ferrothorn as a counter.
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
This is why we carry Fire moves. Ferro isn't bothered too much by the yellow magic because it's so slow anyway, and then this happens:
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 38-45 (10.7 - 12.7%)
+6 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) (Yep, hard counter.)
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (97 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 210-248 (53.2 - 62.9%)
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
This is why we carry Fire moves. Ferro isn't bothered too much by the yellow magic because it's so slow anyway, and then this happens:
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 38-45 (10.7 - 12.7%)
+6 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 148-175 (42 - 49.7%) (Yep, hard counter.)
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (97 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 210-248 (53.2 - 62.9%)
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Everyone's using Nidoking, I'll use Nidoqueen!
Counter
Nidoqueen @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Sludge Wave
Weird EV Spread here, it outspeeds and OHKOs Defensive Lando-T with Ice Beam.
It's a Ground type, so it's immune to TWave, it's a Poison Type so it doesn't take too much from Moonblast, even at +2:
+2 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 124 HP / 0 SpD Nidoqueen: 112-132 (31.8 - 37.5%) -- 91% chance to 3HKO
Sludge Wave has a nice chance to OHKO:
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 367-432 (93.1 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
Counter
Nidoqueen @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Sludge Wave
Weird EV Spread here, it outspeeds and OHKOs Defensive Lando-T with Ice Beam.
It's a Ground type, so it's immune to TWave, it's a Poison Type so it doesn't take too much from Moonblast, even at +2:
+2 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 124 HP / 0 SpD Nidoqueen: 112-132 (31.8 - 37.5%) -- 91% chance to 3HKO
Sludge Wave has a nice chance to OHKO:
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Clefable: 367-432 (93.1 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO