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Virizion (Dual Screens) [QC 3/3]

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idk this set seems kinda shit, i mean who cares if you get pursuited, dual screeners don't stay in for long anyway. i'd use latios 100% over this unless i was using latios as a sweeper in which case i'd use dual screen azelf or uxie

you say that virizion is a good screener on a 'bulky offense team that needs screens' but the idea of bulky offense is being able to switch well without fearing incoming attacks or hazards too much, putting a stop to hyper offensive teams and still having an out to threaten stall. they don't need screens. if you were to use a screener it'd be a waste on a team such as dragonite/heatran/celebi/scizor/terrakion/screener since all of those pokemon have multiple switch in and set up opportunities without the need for screens

i am not sure if 'surprise value' is a characteristic that would make this set worthy of being in the virizion article

i've tested this set on all types of teams in which i'd use dual screens and i've found that latios has outperformed it every single time in the 'i'm not going to live anyway' situation, and azelf in the 'fuck your stall' situation, and uxie in the 'i'll switch in as many times as i want' situation

i am not a qc member and as such you don't have to pay heed to what i say, just my $0.02

feel free to argue with me though, i'm not entirely against this set and argument is one of the best ways of bringing your points for this set up, disregarding godwin's law
 
I personally like Bold Virizion. I used the Calm Mind set with those EVs before to great success. You know how Bulk Up Breloom is the new fad because it destroys Volt/Turn?

Well, Bold CM Virizion does that too. It ends up losing out on Spore, and Poison Heal. In return it gets better coverage, Calm Mind, and greater stats. It is almost like a CM Wish Jirachi except with no Wish but more coverage.
 
I'm extremely torn here. On one hand, Thorns is absolutely right, Latios, Azelf and Uxie are absolutely better Dual Screeners considering they're incredible speed or bulk / and special moves that allow them to safely switch a sweeper into battle. Virizion doesn't really have any of these things. On the other hand, those logs were pretty convincing (primarily due to its surprise value) so I won't outright reject this yet. I'll talk it over with the other QC members.
 
Hmm. I've tried this set out recently but I still find Magic Bounce Espeon does the work better, not being Taunt bait.
 
Seen this being used once or twice, to be honest it really is amazing. Thing is...almost everyone will hide their Pokemon whom standard offensive Virizon can demolish while you get some screens going up. Once the opponent catches on I think it can be safe to say that you should already be setting up with one of your Pokemon to sweep or BP.that should be the main concept of such a set. What Pokemon switch in on Virizion?
-Jirachi
-Dragon-types
-Skarmory
-Other Virizion
-Celebi
-Choiced Pokemon who can outspeed and outrightly OHKO or U-turn out although that requires prediction.

Most of the above Pokemon can set up whilst you go for screens however you cannot always assume that the user of this set will just stand there and let the opponent attempt a sweep, a good player will have already taken care of such scenarios as is the same when you use any set..you use a team that can support your Pokemon setting up or take advantage of Virizion's counter coming in. I feel thats how most people are placing their arguments right now, just because other common Pokemon can take advantage of this set,
1)It'll take some time for the opponent to realize whats going on..
2)You shouldn't be using this set if you can't build a team around it.

Nice set dude.
 
Sorry about the massive delay, we've decided to go ahead and approve this set.

It's ability to setup Dual Screens on Pokemon it would ordinarily force out (like Tyranitar and the like) gives it some utility over Azelf and Latios. It's not as fast or as versatile as either of them, but the surprise factor alone makes it worthwhile. An opponent will immediately go their Dual Screen counter if they see Azelf or Latios alongside a bunch of offensive Pokemon, but they're less likely to counter Virizion. (in fact, they might assume its one of the sweepers)

QC APPROVED (1/3)
 
So yeah, Pocket, PK, and I talked about this set, and decided that it does have great value and traits over Latios and Azelf, mainly for its ability to scare off Lead TTar and set up screens in front of common Volt Turn Pokemon. In the third slot, however, please slash Close Combat with Giga Drain. That slot is essentially filler, and each move has its last-end uses against certain targets.

That in mind:
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QC Approved [2/3]
 
After further discussion we agreed that Timid and max Speed is the best way to go. Even without defensive investment, Virizion can stomach physical hits to guarantee screens. Fast Taunt is also more useful than greater defensive bulk, imo, for preventing Deoxys-D from Spiking or Lucario / Volcarona / Salamence / Haxorus from setting up on Virizion.

Judging from your logs, this set is tailored towards balanced teams - I can certainly appreciate the added bulk that your Vaporeon and Metagross received from the screens, Snorlaxe. However, Dual Screens are largely accepted as a strategy to aid in Set-Up Sweepers to set up safely and overwhelm the opponent's defenses. If this set cannot support Heavy Offensive teams, it may not deserve to be on-site. If you can provide better logs of how even a bulky offensive team such as yours also benefits from Dual Screens, then you'll have a good argument, but battle logs of this Virizion aiding HO teams are ideal.

It's unique defensive typing, good speed and bulk, as well as its access to Taunt are all characteristics that set Virizion apart from other Dual Screeners, though, so we're still trying to figure this set out.
 
There's really no way to use Virizion on a HO team. Why would u use it over something like Espeon or Azelf? Espeon has an incredible ability, which makes sure that it isn't Taunt bait. Espeon is also very fast. Azelf is very fast, and has access to Stealth Rock. The only thing that Virizion has is better bulk, and a secondary typing. Bulk really isn't needed on a Dual Screener, as they really don't need to be around for very long.
 
thanks for the positive feedback everyone! sorry that this set pretty much fell into oblivion after i went inactive for like the 10 millionth time lawlz

im at school right now, but when i get some free time tonight i'll update the OP with everyone's changes and feedback accordingly. thanks a lot to everyone who inputted their opinion on the set!
 
Hey Snorlaxe, I tried this Set in the beginning of 5th Gen, and I actually enjoyed using it. The only thing is, I think you should run a 252 HP / 252 Speed Set with a Timid Nature.

The reason for this is to Maximize Virizion's speed to Set up Screens as fast as possible.

In Teammates you should put something about How Gorebyss/Huntail can effectively SmashPass with Screens up
 
Please make max HP / max Spe, Timid Nature the main spread, and mention the bulkier spread in AC instead - people will most likely be using this Virizion on an HO team, which the fast spread would be more useful. Make this change and adjust the set descriptions in accordance to this change, and this will be approved.

Also either slash Close Combat with Giga Drain, as well as slashing Jolly with Timid, or mention Close Combat and Jolly under AC.
 
hi so im really lazy and really stupid and really dumb and


im finally updating this! im changing the fast spread to the main one and mentioning the bulkier one in AC, as well as slashing close combat and jolly. i'm assuming that i don't have to provide logs for this set on HO anymore based on your second post? tbh this isnt really a screener that is optimal for HO as shit like espeon and azelf perform better as HO screener. this virizion is infinitely better suited to balanced teams, such as the one that i was using in the battles from which i obtained the previous logs. imo this set doesnt need HO logs, and it sounds as if you dont need me to post them anymore either. but if im wrong feel free to correct me!

changes are made; one stamp to go!
 
It's very original, but, to be honest, it doesn't all quite useful: it's fairly slow in terms of set up and it dies quite easily to Scizor or Alakazam.
 
CommanderTow said:
It's very original, but, to be honest, it doesn't all quite useful: it's fairly slow in terms of set up and it dies quite easily to Scizor or Alakazam.
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I'd normally nitpick this all over the place, but I'm just gonna say precisely:

  • 108 Spe is NOT slow for a dual screen user (in fact, Virizion isn't slow at anything at all)
  • Where did you pull Scizor and Alakazam from? As a dual screen user, Virizion doesn't mind Scizor at all (teammates take mitigated damage after Reflect) and being targeted by Alakazam is pretty much a given.
 
Thanks, Snorlaxe.

In your AC you still explain the bulkier spread rather than the speedier spread, so make sure to change that, or it will confuse the readers.

Also, Taunt is not only meant to stop slower hazard setters but also fast set-up Sweepers, namely DDHaxorus, QD Volcarona, SD Lucario, etc. That's the whole point of going with the fast Taunt. The extra speed also prevents Deoxys-D from setting up 2+ layers on Virizion. Do not forget to include this information.

QC Approved (3/3)
 
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