Pokémon Volcanion

[Delibird is Amazing]

Approved By Haunter

Pokedex Number: 721
Type: Fire/Water
Stats: 80 HP/110 Attack/120 Defense/130 Special Attack/90 Special Defense/70 Speed

Ability: Water Absorb - Heals one quarter of the user's maximum HP when hit with a Water-Type attack.

A neutrality becoming an immunity? That's damn good!

Level Up Moves

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Flare Blitz
Overheat
Explosion
Steam Eruption*
Take Down
Mist
Haze
Flame Charge
Water Pulse
Stomp
Scald
Weather Ball
Body Slam
Hydro Pump

TM moves

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Roar, Toxic, Hidden Power, Sunny Day, Hyper Beam, Protect, Frustration, Solar Beam, Smack Down, Earthquake, Return, Brick Break, Double Team, Sludge Wave, Flamethrower, Sludge Bomb, Sandstorm, Fire Blast, Facade, Flame Charge, Rest, Round, Overheat, Focus Blast, Scald, Fling, Incinerate, Will-o-Wisp, Explosion, Giga Impact, Flash, Stone Edge, Gyro Ball, Bulldoze, Rock Slide, Swagger, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Flash Cannon, Rock Smash, Confide, Cut, Strength
*110 bp water type move. 5 pp. 95 accuracy. 30% chance to burn.

Hydro pump with better accuracy and scalds burn chance? that's pretty scary

Potential Movesets

Substitute attacker

Volcanion @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 172 Spd / 84 HP / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Steam Eruption
- Flamethrower/Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Electric

Given its 3 x4 resistances (fire, ice, steel) and 1 immunity it can potentially set up a sub very easily and start firing off attacks ala kyurem black.

timid 172 speed ev's allows volcanion to outspeed adamant base 70s such as breloom and bisharp, special attack is maxed to give it maximum power while the rest is dumped into hp to increase bulk

If people list more sets I'll edit them in

 

[dkkc19]

I ALWAYS WANTED A FIRE WATER POKEMON.

That Improved Scald attack is scary and it seems to be able to go mixed which is awesome.

 

[Sunodasuto]

Seems like a good bulky attacker. I don't see it being a good wall since it doesn't have any recovery other than lefties and water absorb.

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

Well I'm going to make a pretty good thread better by commenting on it. JK, I'm lame. Here's a set that I believe will have a large role when Volcanion comes out.

(This is where I'd put a damn sprite if I had one)

Volcanion
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb (Thank you Gamefreak)
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP, 176 SpD, 76 SpA
- Substitute
- Steam Eruption
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flamethrower

I've never used this thing but I'm sure it can be feared of. This is a defensive-offensive set, note the defensive coming first. There is a lot of investment in SpD because you want to be a tank, and take all those mothafuckin hits. Substitute grants you temporary protection - at least enough to Will-O-Wisp your opponent. Steam Eruption is incredibly strong, and Flamethrower is good STAB.

 

[TheInsanity]

Volcanion + Dragonite + Aegislash/Excadrill can be a good offensive core, even without knowing all volcanion's moves.



He can even ben a "new special wall heatran" with bis x4 resistance against ice and fire, water immunity and x1 against grass:

Volcanion @ Leftovers/ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 SAtk
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic / Scald
- Steam Eruption
- Flamethrower
- Roar / HP Rock

Without knowing other moves, this is the best i can do. Scald is here due to low PP of team.

With him u need only one mon to complete the F/W/G core, this is why i see him like a wall.

 

[madbadger]

Just having steam eruption will make this quite a threat. Looks like it could work with a ScarfTran sort of set as it has similar stats.

Something like:

Volcanion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 4 HP
Timid/Naive nature

Steam Eruption
Fire Blast
HP Ice/electric
(explosion?)

Obviously it will probably have more coverage than that. Hoping for U-turn/volt switch/ trick but that seems unlikely.

 

[Jaroda]

Specs set would be pretty brutal with STAB Steam Eruption and Overheat off 130 SpA. It would also really appreciate an Air Balloon to come in on Landorus-I or Garchomp for example.

 

[Seiterman]

I think we really need more information on this guy's movepool before we have a good idea what to do with him. Fire/Water coverage isn't really all that good, being resisted by Dragon and Water types (two very important types.) If GameFreak goes the Kyu-B route and gives Volcanion near-nothing to work with, he'll be a very one dimensional, if still worrisome, threat. If he gets good coverage he might be a monster.

He has weaknesses to Ground, Rock and Electric, meaning that Defense stat won't save him from a large number of Physical attackers using either part of the EdgeQuake combination. An Electric weakness may be a bit more manageable, but is still worrisome with Volt Switchers and Thundurus running around. However, Volcanion can definitely make use of his resistances to Water, Fire, Fairy, Bug, Ice and Steel (6 resistances total, with 1 being an immunity and 3 being 4x resistances.) Switching this guy in shouldn't be a problem, even with mostly mediocre Special bulk.

 

[Peef Rimgar]

Just having steam eruption will make this quite a threat. Looks like it could work with a ScarfTran sort of set as it has similar stats.

Something like:

Volcanion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 4 HP
Timid/Naive nature

Steam Eruption
Fire Blast
HP Ice/electric
(explosion?)

Obviously it will probably have more coverage than that. Hoping for U-turn/volt switch/ trick but that seems unlikely.

In this meta 70 Base speed is slow as shit for a scarfer. If you're gonna go choice, go specs.

Anyways, this thing seems like it will be a huge defensive threat. I'm running some calcs and it looks impressive.

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Note that Abomasnow is in fact Volcanion

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 248-294 (68.1 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 216-254 (59.3 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 314-372 (86.2 - 102.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 330-390 (90.6 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 77-91 (21.1 - 25%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after hail damage
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 174-205 (47.8 - 56.3%) -- 85.5% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Deoxys-S Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 157-186 (43.1 - 51%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 95-113 (26 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 174-206 (47.8 - 56.5%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Mega Pinsir Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 158-188 (43.4 - 51.6%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 88-104 (24.1 - 28.5%) -- 97.9% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 206-246 (56.5 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

A favorite of mine:
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 45-54 (12.3 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO

 

[Peef Rimgar]

Thinking about it, I also see great potential for a Assault Vest, as it patches up the mediocre Special Defense with a bit of investment, while Steam eruption's burn chance and it's great defense takes care of physical hits. GAME FREAK GIVE THIS GOOD COVERAGE MOVES OR I SWEAR

 

[Yellow Cheese]

Volcanion looks like it is going to fantastic. That dual STAB is amazing and with such mixed stats it can be a powerful wallbreaker or a physicall wall, Possibly even Banded? It also walls CroCune. If this thing gets recovery it is going to be an A-mon in OU without question.

 

[Ash Borer]

Does Volcanion learn ice beam like every single other fully evolved water type save keldeo/rotom/seismitoed?

It ought to be a staple for hitting dragons.

 

[lalala45]

This is a really good mon that provides a good check to a lot of troublesome mons like azumarill and to some extent the majority of bulky water types like suicune. With its good defense it can somewhat check keldeo as well.

In terms of coverage moves, since its a water type it most likely gets an ice move like ice beam. Its seems to be based on a generator so it most likely gets an electric move as well. Since its also part fire it will get at the very least solarbeam for a grass move.

Its kinda slow and checked by very common types so its easy to check but its hard to switch in to volcanion.

 

[Delibird is Amazing]

Does Volcanion learn ice beam like every single other fully evolved water type save keldeo/rotom/seismitoed?

It ought to be a staple for hitting dragons.

I wouldn't bank on it since it's part fire type but it is a possibility.

 

[TooMuchSugar]

Specs calculations:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Mega Venusaur: 188-224 (51.6 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 177-209 (43.8 - 51.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gyarados: 148-174 (44.5 - 52.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 140-165 (46 - 54.2%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 178-210 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Who needs coverage?

 

[kirant]

Seems like a good bulky attacker. I don't see it being a good wall since it doesn't have any recovery other than lefties and water absorb.

To be fair though, you could say the same to Heatran. Sure, Steel really helps it too, but I see Volcanion being used in kind of a similar manner.

 

[Peef Rimgar]

Seems like a good bulky attacker. I don't see it being a good wall since it doesn't have any recovery other than lefties and water absorb.

Read the bloody OP. We don't have his full movepool yet.

 

[Noisy Noivern]

This has to be one of my favorite Event Legends besides Genesect. Water/Fire seems good and I'm happy and all, but kind of Disappointed. I was hoping Volcanion would probably have at least Base 80 Speed and have just base 100 Attack, but I think I'll live.

Now see, Water Absorb is good and all, but I wish they had given him an Electric Absorbing Ability because he's already Neutral to Water. I was thinking he'd at least get Motor Drive since he's involved with the Power Plant Issues and stuff. I'm trying to put this in nicely, but what I'm trying to say is; Game Freak, you're on thin Ice.

If Volcanion doesn't get Thunderbolt and Ice Beam.... I don't know what to say anymore. :l

 

[skies]

Does Volcanion learn ice beam like every single other fully evolved water type save keldeo/rotom/seismitoed?

It ought to be a staple for hitting dragons.

I feel like it honestly won't, but does it need it?
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 148-174 (45.6 - 53.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (multiscale broken, thanks SR!!)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 339-400 (94.6 - 111.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 339-400 (113.7 - 134.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 136-161 (45 - 53.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 118-139 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 258-304 (85.4 - 100.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Garchomp: 309-364 (86.3 - 101.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B: 161-190 (41 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
The only one truly capable of switching in without fear is... Goodra, which is shit anyways. And they've got to watch out for the burn chance. I'd say Ice Beam would be nice, but just not 100% necessary.

 

[Karxrida]

Does Volcanion learn ice beam like every single other fully evolved water type save keldeo/rotom/seismitoed?

It ought to be a staple for hitting dragons.

Ice Beam doesn't matter when no dragon wants to switch in and get burned.

 

[dkkc19]

Ice Beam doesn't matter when no dragon wants to switch in and get burned.

Goodra doesn't care much about burn and can hit back with Thunderbolt.

 

[dr00]

Thinking about it, I also see great potential for a Assault Vest, as it patches up the mediocre Special Defense with a bit of investment, while Steam eruption's burn chance and it's great defense takes care of physical hits. GAME FREAK GIVE THIS GOOD COVERAGE MOVES OR I SWEAR

i was thinking the same thing. assault vest + decent spdef + great resists will give him plenty of opportunities to switch in. with steam eruption, you don't even really need will-o-wisp either.

if he gets access to u-turn/volt switch, he could be very good at shiting momentum while also healing himself while covering any water weakness and covering ice/fire/bug/fairy/steel weaknesses rather well.

hoopa and diancie are rather disappointing, but unless volcanion's movepool is absolute shit (which so far, seems pretty decent), i have a feeling he'll make an impact in OU

 

[Karxrida]

Goodra doesn't care much about burn and can hit back with Thunderbolt.

I was mostly talking about Dragonite and Garchomp, who are actually OU relevant.

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

An AV set seems pretty good with his current movepool, as he has super scald steam eruption and water absorb for(some)form of recovery.
Volcanion @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
Quiet Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Electric]
- Unknown coverage move/ Explosion

This set aims to deal as much damage as possible, stop most water types, and when its ready, go out with a bang. Explosion does decent damage due to Volcanion's base 110 attack, and it is a great mixed tank due to its great defensive stats(similar to Heatran). Ice is to hit dragons, Electric to hit water types. idk what else to say honestly, it just looks like a great AV

 

[Noisy Noivern]

An AV set seems pretty good with his current movepool, as he has super scald steam eruption and water absorb for(some)form of recovery.
Volcanion @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
Quiet Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Electric]
- Unknown coverage move/ Explosion

This set aims to deal as much damage as possible, stop most water types, and when its ready, go out with a bang. Explosion does decent damage due to Volcanion's base 110 attack, and it is a great mixed tank due to its great defensive stats(similar to Heatran). Ice is to hit dragons, Electric to hit water types. idk what else to say honestly, it just looks like a great AV

Volcanion @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
Modest Nature
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SAtk / 180 Speed or 112 HP / 252 SAtk / 140 Speed
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Why not just Modest Nature? You don't need Quiet if you have Sticky Web Support, and if I were you, I'd give Volcanion some speed EVs to outspeed a defensive Rotom with a 44 Speed EV Investment so you could get the advantage. If you don't feel the need to give Volcanion that much speed EVs, just give it enough to outspeed a Defensive Rotom with little to no speed EVs.
- I also recommend HP Grass over HP Ice or Electric to actually 2HKO Rotom after Stealth Rock and OHKO other Water/Ground Types.

EDIT: I might need to redistribute the EVs because I was looking at them @Lv.50 and not 100.