Vullaby (Analysis)

Vullaby (Analysis)
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Major Update of Heysup’s thread, which can be found here
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This is my first smogon analysis, so constructive criticism is welcomed.

[Overview]

<p>With fantastic defensive stats and workable defensive and offensive movepools, Vullaby makes an good addition to any Little Cup team. Although its middling offensive stats can put a damper on sweeping prospects, access to Nasty Plot and just enough speed for a Choice Scarf set can make this bird a formidable offensive threat</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Toxic
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Roost
move 4: Knock Off/ Whirlwind/ Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
ability: Big Pecks
nature: Impish
EVs: 36 Hp/ 236 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> Vullaby makes for a nearly impenetrable wall, on both the physical and special side, and this set attempts to make the best use of his massive defenses. The EVs are poured into both defenses in order to max them out, with the remainder going to Hp in order to add a bit more bulk. If running Hidden Power Fire, an IV spread with 30 Atk/SpA/Spd is necessary. Roost is a reliable form of recovery and can be very annoying when matched with Toxic and Knock Off. Taunt shuts down boosting sweepers and entry hazard users which try to set-up on Vullaby</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p> Vullaby has very solid defensive stats, reaching 23/18/16 with the given stats which means 23/27/24 factoring in Eviolite. Hidden Power Fighting is an option over HP Fire in order to OHKO Pawniard, although HP Fire still snags the 2HKO and hits the more popular Ferroseed much harder. Big Pecks is the preferred ability here as any weather damage can be Roosted off and any decrease in Vullaby’s defenses undermines the purpose of this set.</p>

<p>This set functions best in long matches, spreading Toxic among your opponent’s pokemon, knocking off items and occasionally nabbing a KO off toxic damage . Because of the switches it can force, Vullaby greatly appreciates entry hazard support. A set running Whirlwind can capitalize on this even further. This set has a dreadful weakness to Taunt coming off anything that resists Fire, so magic bounce Natu makes an excellent partner, bouncing their Taunt right back at them and safely U-Turning back to Vullaby.</p>

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Dark Pulse
move 3: Air Slash
move 4: Roost
item: Eviolite
ability: Overcoat
nature: Timid/ Modest
EVs: 36 Hp/ 236 SpA / 196 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set takes advantage of Vullaby’s best boosting move, giving it the power it needs to potentially sweep. The idea is to switch in on something that Vullaby can scare off, and then Nasty Plot on the switch. The EVs here are the standard of most sweepers, with special attack and speed maxed out. The remaining EVs go into Hp in order to help ward off strong priority attacks. Timid grants some much needed speed, while Modest maxes out the damage coming of Vullaby's duel STAB attacks. Air Slash has excellent coverage in LC when paired with Dark Pulse and both moves have the handy chance of flinching the opponent. Roost serves again as a reliable form of recovery.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>With the a Timid nature and the given EVs, Vullaby hits a daunting 28 SpA after one Nasty Plot. A Timid nature and maximum Speed EVs gives Vullaby 16 Speed, putting it above many unboosted common threats, such as Scraggy before a Dragon Dance. Eviolite is a must here, as it provides the bulk necessary to pull off a Roost when necessary. Overcoat is chosen over Big Pecks in order to prevent sandstorm from cutting short your sweep.</p>

<p> Wynaut makes a good partner for this set, as he can do what Wynaut does best and give your Vullaby a free turn or two to Nasty Plot safely. This set can have trouble dealing with Steel types, who resist both STAB attacks, so Vullaby appreciates Pokemon like Magnemite who can trap and eliminate them beforehand.</p>


[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Punishment
move 3: U-Turn
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Jolly
EVs: 36 Hp/ 240 Atk / 200 Spe
IVs: 31 hp/ 30 Atk/ 31 Def/ 30 SpA/ 31 SpD/ 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With a Choice Scarf equipped Vullaby becomes an excellent revenge killer for some of the most prominent sweepers in the LC Meta. The EVs follow the same pattern as the Nasty Plot set, except utilizing attack over special attack. Since this set is running Hidden Power Fire, an IV spread with 30 Atk/SpA/Spd is necessary. A Jolly nature is necessary here over Adamant in order to maximize speed. Brave Bird OHKOs Dragon Dance Scraggy, as well as taking a large chunk out of anything that doesn’t resist it. Punishment KOs any sweeper brave enough to boost more than once, while U-Turn allows Vullaby to scout for potential counters. Hidden Power Fire is used to deal with the steels that would otherwise wall this set, most notably Ferroseed.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>With maximum Speed and a Jolly nature Vullaby reaches 16 Speed, allowing a Scarfed Set to outrun a +1 Scraggy. Attack is maximized, and the remaining EVs are placed in Hp to reduce fear of strong priority moves. It should be noted that Choice Scarf Chinchou ties with this set and can OHKO with STAB Thunderbolt.</p>

<p>This set is specifically made for revenge killing Scraggy, so a team that struggles with the lizard appreciates this set greatly. Unfortunately Vullaby has a dreadful fear of Chinchou, so teammates who can handle it are needed. Luckily, the perfect counter to Choice Scarf Chinchou was created in Hone Claws Diglett. He can switch into the choiced Thunderbolt aimed at Vullaby and proceed to go +6/ +6 behind a substitute while your opponent quivers in fear. This Vullaby also serves as an excellent ghostbuster, as any dark move with STAB behind it can easily OHKO Gastly.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Vullaby doesn’t have many options other than those provided, owing to its rather shallow movepool. Foul Play is nearly useless in LC, and the decline of Oran Berries makes Pluck seem very weak in comparison to Brave Bird. Mean Look, Taunt, and Toxic can make a good trapping set, but it's very situational.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p> Steel-types wall any Vullaby without Hidden Power Fire, as they resist both STABs and are immune to Toxic, so Magnemite makes for an excellent match. Magnemite also has nice type synergy with Vullaby. Magnemite laughs in the face of the Rock, Electric, and Ice attacks that threaten to knock Vullaby out of the sky, while Vullaby is immune to any ground type attacks that could be aimed at your Magnemite if it doesn’t run Magnet Rise. Poison-types are also immune to Toxic and resist U-turn, but can have trouble countering the Choice Scarf set effectively due to the damage potential of an neutral Brave Bird. Diglett also pairs well with Vullaby if your team fears Chinchou. Hone Claws Diglett can switch into the choiced Thunderbolt aimed at Vullaby and proceed to go +6/ +6 behind a substitute while your opponent quivers in fear.</p>
 
yea there arent any updates yet cause the analyses aren't onsite yet

Sorry, it's my first time starting a thread on smogon and i'm unsure of all the procedure.

Should I relabel the thread as Analysis instead of Update, since none of the previous analysis threads were finished?
 
From Heysup's signature:

I'm away until the end of August. If you want one of my unfinished analyses talk to another mod - not me - they should give it to you.

Unsure what'll be done here but it needed taking over if it means anything.
 
From Heysup's signature:

I'm away until the end of August. If you want one of my unfinished analyses talk to another mod - not me - they should give it to you.

Unsure what'll be done here but it needed taking over if it means anything.

Thanks for the heads up. I probably would have kept messaging Heysup until the end of August.
 
OK - a couple of things:
1. The defensive set should be listed first, since the Choice Scarf set is pretty much outclassed by Taillow.
2. Remove Protect on the defensive set and replace it with Taunt - stopping boosters is better than some gay scout move.
3. Your format is all wrong - after your last set it should be Other Options followed by Checks and Counters (no teammates section)
 
OK - a couple of things:
1. The defensive set should be listed first, since the Choice Scarf set is pretty much outclassed by Taillow.
2. Remove Protect on the defensive set and replace it with Taunt - stopping boosters is better than some gay scout move.
3. Your format is all wrong - after your last set it should be Other Options followed by Checks and Counters (no teammates section)

Defensive set moved up top and switched Taunt over Protect. I also removed the extra teammates section (sorry 'bout that).

@Dubulous
Thanks for the OK =)
 
Please extend the mention of the nasty plot set, or make it a main set. Its great bulk allows easy set up. It tanked a tbolt from my staryu yesterday and killed it with air slash. It's REALLY fucking good. Flying is great coverage now, and it has roost. Likewise, if the abilities on each set are preferred over the alternative, remove the slash.
 
Please extend the mention of the nasty plot set, or make it a main set. Its great bulk allows easy set up. It tanked a tbolt from my staryu yesterday and killed it with air slash. It's REALLY fucking good. Flying is great coverage now, and it has roost. Likewise, if the abilities on each set are preferred over the alternative, remove the slash.

OK; Nasty Plot gets it's own set and Extraneous abilities have been removed.

I ask any who have used or encountered the Nasty Plot set to make sure that I didn't miss anything. Having never used the set myself, this is simply what I thought it would look like.

Edit: (Facepalm) It would probably help if I put Nasty Plot on the Nasty Plot set... Now Fixed
 
your format is way off; check the announcements in the forum

Knock Off should be the main slash in the first set; it's more important than all the other moves. Pawniard is always going to switch out on Vullaby anyway so what's the point?

Ferroseed is more common than Pawniard, use HP Fire. Make sure you only have Jolly on the Scarf set; you don't want to be tying with Jolly +1 Scraggy.

Don't slash Life Orb on the Nasty Plot set when you're using Roost 9.9
 
your format is way off; check the announcements in the forum

Knock Off should be the main slash in the first set; it's more important than all the other moves. Pawniard is always going to switch out on Vullaby anyway so what's the point?

Ferroseed is more common than Pawniard, use HP Fire. Make sure you only have Jolly on the Scarf set; you don't want to be tying with Jolly +1 Scraggy.

Don't slash Life Orb on the Nasty Plot set when you're using Roost 9.9

Completely Reformatted and Changes applied.

@all Thanks everyone for the input, this is a learning experience for me and I appreciate you all taking your time to help.
 
You should also mention Pokemon that are good teammates with Vullaby in Additional Comments, similar to how you did so with Wynaut in the Nasty Plot set and teams that dislike Scraggy/Diglett in the Scarf set. However, those two sets could also use more teammates mentioned.

Anyways, I generally like giving Vullaby 116 HP on defensive sets, which gives it 25 HP. This lets it recover one extra HP from Roost (because recovery moves round up this gen). You could also mention in Addition Comments that Vullaby can run some extra Speed if needed by taking some EVs out of either defense. That's probably the best place to mention it.
 
Overcoat is still better, it prevents passive weather damage which can be very annoying to a stall based Pokemon, particularly a SR weak one. How is Big Pecks useful at all, what actually runs a defense lowering move that beats Vullaby?
 
Take Hidden Power Fire off of the first set, it only hits Ferroseed, which you can Taunt, use Knock Off to get rid of its Eviolite, and basically render it useless. Also give Brave Bird a mention in Additional Comments.

Not liking the Nasty Plot set, but I'll get back to you on it.

Put Choice Scarf above the Nasty Plot set for now
 
@metsrule158

Sorry this is the first time I checked in on my smogon account in ages. If you still want this analysis, you can have it. All of my attention is on school and work right now.
 
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