Weird clear skies offensive team?

Bestow5000

Bestow5000

Yet again I made another RMT thread. Woo hoo. This one is about this one offensive team I randomly build out of boredom and battle with it and wow, I'm surprise, it worked very well for me, not gonna lie.
The team structure is kinda a little weird and some stuff that is really, gonna give me trouble since like I said, I randomly build the team out of boredom unless I work around with predicting my opponent, then I should not have trouble with it. Anyway, enough with the talk and let us get a look at the team.

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Imperer (Landorus) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- U-turn
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Hidden Power [Ice]
I really don't know what to pick as a lead, so I randomly pick a Scarf Landorus with Hidden Power Ice just to kill those annoying dragons that has set up a Dragon Dance, or maybe Gliscors or something else. I would usually U-Turn out into something, instant kill the lead or else just revenge kill something. There really isn't much to be known and he really isn't that important to my team besides having Choice Scarf, revenge killing or if I really needed him to win the game.

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Sabaki (Gyarados) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail
- Taunt
Only wall in my team that can take hits and cripple some sweepers, Taunt walls, and Dragon Tail out any predicted Poke that I know it'll be coming to wall me like Ferrothorn for example or just spam Dragon Tail to troll them while they are getting hazard damage thanks to my Jirachi.

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Femme (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Stealth Rock
Supporter. I noticed it's quick hard for me to get rocks up with this kind of team structure but I just needed a bulky steel and wish support and more cripple and Iron Head madness. Jirachi kinda may be the most useless member in my team, even if I did not get rocks up in most cases.

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Lance (Latios) (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Trick
The only special attacker in my team that is a must need if I see physical walls around like Skarmory for example since he can really wall my entire team if I don't kill it right away with Latios which is why I have Thunderbolt over Surf. Tricking is a must too to kinda cripple important member of an opposing stall team a little to make things easier for me. Hidden Power is standard for Ferrothorn unless there is rain up so that is when Scizor comes into the play.

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Faiz (Scizor) (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Pursuit
- Superpower
Ahh, my favorite revenge killer of all time. Scizor is a must in almost all of my team since Bullet Punch, Technician and STAB makes it a very reliable guy. Scizor is also my only best Ferrothorn counter so I will need to keep that thing alive till Ferrothorns are dead. Pursuit and U-Turn are pretty much standard for Latios and expecting opponent to switch so I get to go for a U-Turn and get a safe switch in to something.

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Gouki (Dragonite) (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- ExtremeSpeed
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
Another Choice Bander. Wow! Lol. Anyway, he's my main "glue" (revenge killer) to this team. Extremespeed priority just kinda adds things up and if my Scizor cannot OHKO a plus 1 or 2 Dragon Dance guy with a Bullet Punch and my Landorus is dead, then Dragonite can at least help a little to ensure a safe KO to them. Outrage, adamant nature, STAB and 120 base power with Choice Band is not to be messing around with. Only problem is bulky steel types and maybe some dragons but if I can get those out of the way, I can start rampaging things till I either die or confuse and maybe get out or just sacrifice it. Fire Punch is just must for Ferrothorns just in case or something else. You never know!


The team's main counters or problems are: Very well made balanced stall teams or rain teams. Skarmory is another issue to this team since I only got one special attacker that can OHKO Skarmory. Ferrothorn is another bit of an issue without Scizor alive. I think that is all now.

How do I usually deal with 'em: I just have to carefully make right choices to make right predictions. Nothing else, really.

That is all now, may edit any mistakes or missing things if I need to.
 
4 Choice users means lots of switching. So keeping hazards away is a priority. At least, I imagine so. Perhaps replace Jirachi with...

Forrtress @ Lefties/Shed Shell
Sturdy
Impish: 252 Hp 252 Def 4 Spe
-Earthquake/Spikes
-Volt Switch
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin

Just an idea. Best of luck.
 
Whoa....I thought having 3 choice users was a stretch but 4?Too many. Hazards will rip you. Replace Landorus or Scizor with a good spinner. Preferably replace Landorus since you lack sandstorm. You really don't need two dragons either. Your team is terribly unbalanced
 
Hello Bestow,

You may not remember me but we met on youtube and had a wi-fi battle.
This team has a good start, however the problem is 4 choice items. That is always bad. 1-2 is optimum no more. Let me give you an advice; In today's metagame there are mainly 2 styles of making teams unless you want to be extremely original: A Balanced team, depends on you whether offensive or defensive, or a team based on 1 or 2 Pokemon. I don't see any of these styles in these team. Every team has to have a purpose.

That's why I would suggest to keep the Choices on Landorus and Scizor. Now, you definitely don't need 2 dragons. That's why i would suggest you to switch Latios for Rotom-W. He would be excellently paired with Scizor. Also, i would suggest you to change your Gyarados for a better Physicall wall such as Slowbro or Celebi. They can both cripple and take hits. If you think you can deal with grass pokemon Slowbro is recommended

Dragonite is an excellent Pokemon for sweeping, why give him a Band. You should use the DD set.

Conlusion:Rotom-W>Latios
Slowbro/Celebi over Gyarados
DD Dragonite > CB Dragonite

I hope i helped.

BTW don't use the scaarfed Rotom-w set use the 252spa 252 spd set with leftovers Hydro pump,wow,voltswitch,pain split/hp ice.
 
Bugdomking said:
4 Choice users means lots of switching. So keeping hazards away is a priority. At least, I imagine so. Perhaps replace Jirachi with...

Forrtress @ Lefties/Shed Shell
Sturdy
Impish: 252 Hp 252 Def 4 Spe
-Earthquake/Spikes
-Volt Switch
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin

Just an idea. Best of luck.
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That might work on spinning away those annoying hazards (Especially Spikes) that only bothers mainly my Scizor. Thanks for the suggestion!

Darkerones said:
Whoa....I thought having 3 choice users was a stretch but 4?Too many. Hazards will rip you. Replace Landorus or Scizor with a good spinner. Preferably replace Landorus since you lack sandstorm. You really don't need two dragons either. Your team is terribly unbalanced
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You're right! I might consider about taking Bumdoking's suggestion and if you got any, feel free to let me know too. Thanks!

emirinho said:
Hello Bestow,

You may now remember me but we met on youtube and had a wi-fi battle.
This team has a good start, however the problem is 4 choice items. That is always bad. 1-2 is optimum no more. Let me give you an advice; In today's metagame there are mainly 2 styles of making teams unless you want to be extremely original: A Balanced team, depends on you whether offensive or defensive, or a team based on 1 or 2 Pokemon. I don't see any of these styles in these team. Every team has to have a purpose.

That's why I would suggest to keep the Choices on Landorus and Scizor. Now, you definitely don't need 2 dragons. That's why i would suggest you to switch Latios for Rotom-W. He would be excellently paired with Scizor. Also, i would suggest you to change your Gyarados for a better Physicall wall such as Slowbro or Celebi. They can both cripple and take hits. If you think you can deal with grass pokemon Slowbro is recommended

Dragonite is an excellent Pokemon for sweeping, why give him a Band. You should use the DD set.

Conlusion:Rotom-W>Latios
Slowbro/Celebi over Gyarados
DD Dragonite > CB Dragonite

I hope i helped.

BTW don't use the scaarfed Rotom-w set use the 252spa 252 spd set with leftovers Hydro pump,wow,voltswitch,pain split/hp ice.
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Haha I seen you before, but I can't really remember... O.e''
Anyway;
I noticed my team had quite a lot of problems with Scizor, especially Swords Dance ones, and I just couldn't help but need Gyarados around and I'm not too fond of Slowbro but Celebi, we'll see how it goes when testing it. As for Rotom-W, yeah, it might work for me. Thanks! Gonna try it out. And I never used a DD nite before so I might as well look for a suitable EV spread for it and give it a go. Thanks a lot dude!
 
Try Donphan over Landorus

Donphan@Leftys
Sturdy
252 HP 252 Defense 4 SpD

Earthquake
Ice Shard
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
 
Actually perhaps forrtress isn't so great, because you already have Scizor with identical typing. Unless you consider a Heatran over Scizor. That has 4x ice resist in addition to the dragon resist, which would be useful. You could run specs or scarf, but here's a specially defensive set.

Heatran @ lefties/air balloon
Flash Fire
Calm: 252 Hp 252 SpD 4 Spe
-Roar
-Lava Plume
-Earth Power
-HP Ice/Sub

Good partner with Latios and Dragonite.
 
The fact he is packing 4 choice users doesnt screw his team, and if you replace Scizor, you would be losing an ecxelent scout/priority attacker
 
Darkerones said:
Try Donphan over Landorus

Donphan@Leftys
Sturdy
252 HP 252 Defense 4 SpD

Earthquake
Ice Shard
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
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That could work too. Thanks.



Bugdomking said:
Actually perhaps forrtress isn't so great, because you already have Scizor with identical typing. Unless you consider a Heatran over Scizor. That has 4x ice resist in addition to the dragon resist, which would be useful. You could run specs or scarf, but here's a specially defensive set.

Heatran @ lefties/air balloon
Flash Fire
Calm: 252 Hp 252 SpD 4 Spe
-Roar
-Lava Plume
-Earth Power
-HP Ice/Sub

Good partner with Latios and Dragonite.
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Scizor is something that I really need for my team as he is the best priority user for me and same with Pursuit trapper and other stuff. Thanks though.
 
Hey Megas! I can see that you're still using those weird Choice items on four Pokemon teams. However, I think you could do much better by reducing the amount of Pokemon holding Choice items. Latios should probably go. From my experience, Specs Latios is more often than not complete dead weight, despite the sheer power of its Draco Meteor. After it uses Draco Meteor, it's complete Pursuit bait, and Scizor and Tyranitar being at #1 and #5 respectively, as well as the fact that non-Scarf Latios is scared shitless by Weavile, aren't doing it any favors. I personally think you could do well with Substitute + 3 attacks Alakazam in its place, as it's a special attacker with similar power, has the ability to change moves, and with Focus Blast, can still heavily dent Ferrothorn and Skarmory regardless of weather.

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Substitute
-Psychic
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball

I'm not a big fan of using Dragonite without Rapid Spin support, as it needs loads of team support to function properly. I also think you need a set-up sweeper, which will improve any team. The one I have in mind is Haxorus. After using Dragon Dance, its power will exceed that of CB Dragonite, and it doesn't need Rapid Spin support. Another plus is that this gives you kind of a way of handling Dragonite, because Mold Breaker ignores Multiscale.

Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Swords Dance/Brick Break/Taunt
-Outrage
-Earthquake

I put the three slashes on the second spot because I'm not sure which works best with your team. If you're feeling confident in spreading paralysis with Jirachi, you can use a SD + Taunt set (which might work out better, but I'm not sure), and the glory of SD + Taunt is that it will beat Skarmory.

Hope this helped. Good luck on your team.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
Hey Megas! I can see that you're still using those weird Choice items on four Pokemon teams. However, I think you could do much better by reducing the amount of Pokemon holding Choice items. Latios should probably go. From my experience, Specs Latios is more often than not complete dead weight, despite the sheer power of its Draco Meteor. After it uses Draco Meteor, it's complete Pursuit bait, and Scizor and Tyranitar being at #1 and #5 respectively, as well as the fact that non-Scarf Latios is scared shitless by Weavile, aren't doing it any favors. I personally think you could do well with Substitute + 3 attacks Alakazam in its place, as it's a special attacker with similar power, has the ability to change moves, and with Focus Blast, can still heavily dent Ferrothorn and Skarmory regardless of weather.

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Substitute
-Psychic
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball

I'm not a big fan of using Dragonite without Rapid Spin support, as it needs loads of team support to function properly. I also think you need a set-up sweeper, which will improve any team. The one I have in mind is Haxorus. After using Dragon Dance, its power will exceed that of CB Dragonite, and it doesn't need Rapid Spin support. Another plus is that this gives you kind of a way of handling Dragonite, because Mold Breaker ignores Multiscale.

Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Swords Dance/Brick Break/Taunt
-Outrage
-Earthquake

I put the three slashes on the second spot because I'm not sure which works best with your team. If you're feeling confident in spreading paralysis with Jirachi, you can use a SD + Taunt set (which might work out better, but I'm not sure), and the glory of SD + Taunt is that it will beat Skarmory.

Hope this helped. Good luck on your team.
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Hiya again, Ryuu. XD (LOL)
Anyway, for my Latios, I would never try to Draco something with Scizors and Tyranitars around unless counters to my team are gone or maybe I would predict a Scizor to come in and just HP Fire or GTFO to something else safe before I get trapped. Alakazam seems nice so I guess I may give him a go and test him out. Thanks!
And as for Dragonite, I don't really care for Stealth Rocks, since my main purpose is to just abuse his raw power and do some stuff and Extremespeed is all that is enough to cover me and deal some damage if I am very weakened to the point where I will be kill by just about any move before dying. And sadly, I did tried Haxorus before and it did not go well in my favor.
 
Bestow5000 said:
Scizor is something that I really need for my team as he is the best priority user for me and same with Pursuit trapper and other stuff. Thanks though.
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I would have thought extremespeed would be excellent priority. Sure, Scizor is great, but he's on every. Single. Team. But perhaps so is Heatran. Best of luck.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
The one I have in mind is Haxorus. After using Dragon Dance, its power will exceed that of CB Dragonite, and it doesn't need Rapid Spin support. Another plus is that this gives you kind of a way of handling Dragonite, because Mold Breaker ignores Multiscale.
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It doesn't. Anyway, Haxorus is one of the bigger Dragonite checks, because of the higher Speed and STAB Dual Chop: the first does damage and breaks Multiscale, the second kills. Especially on a non-supported-by-RapidSpin team, i suggest using DD Haxorus
 
Bruno Magno said:
It doesn't. Anyway, Haxorus is one of the bigger Dragonite checks, because of the higher Speed and STAB Dual Chop: the first does damage and breaks Multiscale, the second kills. Especially on a non-supported-by-RapidSpin team, i suggest using DD Haxorus
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Mold breaker does ignore Multiscale. Any reliable source will tell you this.

Get off your damage calculator, because the damage calculator found on Pokemon Online's forums does not take Mold Breaker into account.

Also, Dual Chop on DD Haxorus is stupid. It's weaker than the significantly better Outrage, and also has a 10% chance to miss (unlike Dragon Claw, which is just as powerful as Dual Chop). Dual Chop is only really useful for breaking subs on the Choice Band/Scarf sets.

If you want proof that Mold Breaker ignores Multiscale, go here and Ctrl+F "Multiscale", and you'll notice that it is on the list of abilities that Mold Breaker ignores. Please study more Pokemon before you make posts like this, thanks.
 
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