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Weird Leads
- Thread starter Umino Iruka
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Lol, Gengar will Focus Blast you to the face; Its faster. Just hope it misses or switch out. Oh, didn't know they had same base speed. Anyways, Switcheroo is a plus AND, everyone knows Ambipom and how he leads (Fake Out...U-Turn). Opponent usually switches to Gengar/Ghost to counter Fake out.
I've started with Ludicolo sometimes when I battle, Leech Seeding is really helpful...... if Ludicolo outruns whoever is in front, or forces a switch(which happens a lot), then I can start a Swift Swim sort of sweep for a little bit-
my set-
Ludicolo@ Damp Rock
Calm
204 hp, 124 sp.atk, 76 sp.def, rest in speed
Surf
Ice Beam
Rain Dance
Leech Seed
but it fails to anything with taunt or Sub. but it does do well most of the time- although it is KOed by the second Draco Meteor from Salamence. but the rain is hurting me, now that i'm running Scarf Heatran- so i've stopped using this as a lead- and switched to-
Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Timid
252 sp.atk, 202 spd, 56 hp
Flamethrower/Lava Plume
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Explosion
but that's just my opinion. although i've seen Toxic/Sub/BP/SD Ninjask, i normally see Jolteon and Gyarados. Strangely i've never seen a Weavile lead in any of my battles.......
my set-
Ludicolo@ Damp Rock
Calm
204 hp, 124 sp.atk, 76 sp.def, rest in speed
Surf
Ice Beam
Rain Dance
Leech Seed
but it fails to anything with taunt or Sub. but it does do well most of the time- although it is KOed by the second Draco Meteor from Salamence. but the rain is hurting me, now that i'm running Scarf Heatran- so i've stopped using this as a lead- and switched to-
Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Timid
252 sp.atk, 202 spd, 56 hp
Flamethrower/Lava Plume
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Explosion
but that's just my opinion. although i've seen Toxic/Sub/BP/SD Ninjask, i normally see Jolteon and Gyarados. Strangely i've never seen a Weavile lead in any of my battles.......
My current team I lead with a CScarfed Mamoswine, which has been working well, because dumb people leave things like Weavile in on him and get OHKOed by EQ. He also has Stealth Rock if I predict a switch.
My last team I lead with a CScarfed Special Lucario with Me First / Aura Sphere / Shadow Ball / HP Ice. It was pretty neat to use, and worked alright.
The team before that I think I lead with a LOed Medicham with Fake Out + Bullet Punch, but I didn't like it too much
So no overly standard leads here, but nothing game breakingly new. I haven't come across any crazy leads, but I have seen alot of Bronzongs.
My last team I lead with a CScarfed Special Lucario with Me First / Aura Sphere / Shadow Ball / HP Ice. It was pretty neat to use, and worked alright.
The team before that I think I lead with a LOed Medicham with Fake Out + Bullet Punch, but I didn't like it too much
So no overly standard leads here, but nothing game breakingly new. I haven't come across any crazy leads, but I have seen alot of Bronzongs.
Sorry, but Gengar has 110 base speed and Persian has 115, so Persian can still just Night Slash or Bite before Gengar can do anything.
I can't run Crobat as an attacker. I have before mentioned Crobat as a defensive type before. Here's my moveset that takes advantage of speed and defenses:
Crobat @ Focus Sash
Timid
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Taunt
Hypnosis
Roost
Air Slash
This is my current lead pokemon. Hypnosis is the default behavior of Crobat, while taunt prevents lead set-up pokemon from doing what they do. With the above defense EVs, I can survive hits on the Defense side... not so much on the Special Side. So in Jolteon vs Crobat leads, I want two chances at hypnosis before switching out.
When the set-up pokemon switches out because of taunt, hypnosis their sweeper. Crobat can stay in and air slash on the second turn if you want to play conservative. Few pokemon are faster than Crobat, and that Focus Sash is still there for his protection.
In the late game, Crobat serves as my Heracross / Breloom counter. Breloom can't do anything but spore Crobat, and the above EVs make Crobat a 3-hit KO to Adamant Life-Orb Breloom Focus Punch. Without Life Orb, Breloom Focus Punch drops down to a 4 or 5 hit KO. (Gotta love 4x resists). Switch on the Focus Punch, Taunt if Sleep Clause isn't in effect (either no sleepers or whatever) to prevent spore. Roost off the damage, break the sub and kill with Air Slash.
Heracross is dangerous with Stone Edge, but most of the time he defaults to Megahorn and Close Combat, which is 4x resisted to Crobat and he can easily roost off the damage. Both Heracross and Breloom are 4x weak to Air Slash... though I'm not exactly sure if it is a OHKO.
Crobat @ Focus Sash
Timid
-----
Taunt
Hypnosis
Roost
Air Slash
This is my current lead pokemon. Hypnosis is the default behavior of Crobat, while taunt prevents lead set-up pokemon from doing what they do. With the above defense EVs, I can survive hits on the Defense side... not so much on the Special Side. So in Jolteon vs Crobat leads, I want two chances at hypnosis before switching out.
When the set-up pokemon switches out because of taunt, hypnosis their sweeper. Crobat can stay in and air slash on the second turn if you want to play conservative. Few pokemon are faster than Crobat, and that Focus Sash is still there for his protection.
In the late game, Crobat serves as my Heracross / Breloom counter. Breloom can't do anything but spore Crobat, and the above EVs make Crobat a 3-hit KO to Adamant Life-Orb Breloom Focus Punch. Without Life Orb, Breloom Focus Punch drops down to a 4 or 5 hit KO. (Gotta love 4x resists). Switch on the Focus Punch, Taunt if Sleep Clause isn't in effect (either no sleepers or whatever) to prevent spore. Roost off the damage, break the sub and kill with Air Slash.
Heracross is dangerous with Stone Edge, but most of the time he defaults to Megahorn and Close Combat, which is 4x resisted to Crobat and he can easily roost off the damage. Both Heracross and Breloom are 4x weak to Air Slash... though I'm not exactly sure if it is a OHKO.
Actually, wierd leads are supposed to throw you off-gaurd.
On Shoddy, I've seen a Milotic start with Lum Berry attatched. Hell, I've seen a SUICUNE start, and usually you're supposed to save them for later. Hehe.
One time I saw a Gliscor and expected a BP, but it was actually a sweeper I guess. That caught me off-gaurd pretty bad.
On Shoddy, I've seen a Milotic start with Lum Berry attatched. Hell, I've seen a SUICUNE start, and usually you're supposed to save them for later. Hehe.
One time I saw a Gliscor and expected a BP, but it was actually a sweeper I guess. That caught me off-gaurd pretty bad.
Ahh Surgo said it to me when I asked the exact same question that it meant starter as in Blastoise, Typhlosion and co. And he agrees pretty much with what I'm saying (even if he doesn't remember talking about it lol), Infernape is better to clean the opponents up then to lead unless its CBed or Cspeced.
I'm really interested in Persian as a lead now.
Infernape kills so many Pokemon after they've taken a fair amount of damage it's not even funny. However, there are so many common leads that will survive its attacks and kill it in return that it's basically crazy to lead with it. Wait until your opponent has taken damage from your Pokemon and other stuff(Sandstorm, stealth rock, etc) before you unleash Infernape.
A while back I was, for the fun of this silly team I made, running a toxic-orb facade/belly drum/cosmic power/moonlight clefable. The silly thing that happened was that at the end of this rather unusual match, I was up against a mean-look-dusknoir and it was sandstorming... I couldn't hit it, so I just stalled it out until sandstorm killed it. At one point, it used curse, and lo' and behold, clefable still had magic-guard.
I was hoping I could use belly-drum/substitue/thunder-punch/ice-punch clefable with a salac berry, but sadly, I have no access to the emerald move-tutors... Clefable, on its own, is sturdy enough that it could most-likely take a hit, belly drum, and activate salac all on the same turn... sub's in there mainly because I wanted to pair it with a memento-er.
I was hoping I could use belly-drum/substitue/thunder-punch/ice-punch clefable with a salac berry, but sadly, I have no access to the emerald move-tutors... Clefable, on its own, is sturdy enough that it could most-likely take a hit, belly drum, and activate salac all on the same turn... sub's in there mainly because I wanted to pair it with a memento-er.
Well when you first see Crobat all you see is one thing.
130 Speed.
I doubt many people also notice defensively its Porygon2's peer except with a good deal of resistances.
Actually... Porygon2 is a good bit better on defense, at least according to defense tiers. (See Sig). It takes a +def nature Crobat will score the same defense tier as a neutral-nature Porygon2 however, so they are somewhat close. Porygon2's Sp. Def is a good deal higher however, about the difference with an Expert Band / Plates.
It is however, peers with Spiritomb, Machamp and Ursaring. It can take a few hits before its going down, which IMO is quite amazing for a base 130 speed pokemon. And with Roost and an interesting set of resistances... (weak to both boltbeam, but strong to ground, bug and fighting) it is indeed quite useful. Focusing on its strengths as a fast status inducer (hypnosis, taunt, confuse ray) allows you to ignore its sub-par attack scores.
EDIT: Talking about Porygon2... its defenses are actually not that bad. I faced a bulky one a few battles ago, it was surprisingly resilient.
I've ran into Destiny Bond Froslasses with Focus Sashes. They will take out one of your pokemon. Guaranteed. They then confuse you and stuff to annoy...
