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Oh, I just noticed one more thing.

dLE softed about their and acidphoenix's connection of role PM day one. I still have hard time buying that their ROLEPM can contain anything, but I can guess that is the bastard material?

And grammar for last post - This pings me slightly*
 
Which considering the lack of those roles in the game

And that the only plausible role I'd put DLE on was a JOAT of watcher/tracker-esque roles

Doesn't quite incline me to believe them
 
That's such a weird role claim then I don't even know what to make of it.

All the same, I still think DLE is the best lynch today. Besides just me scum reading them, there's so much strange things with that slot between the d1 thing with Acid, the roleclaim and stuff I don't think there's any situation today where they aren't the lynch.
 
Mmhmm yeah I'm convinced now.

Vote: Da Letter El

There may still be cultists out there so I'm going to go look at the rolestoppers and see who are the potential cultists.
 
I think worrying about the cultists at this point is a waste of time, if haruno had enough successful recruits we've already lost

I'm not sure where I stand right now, I'll probably take time on Friday or something to come to terms with the game
 
Did the rolestoppers ever give a list of their targets? (Toni in particular since I'm pretty sure Hawkie targeted Blazade N1). Since otherwise, given that neither Champ or I ever targeted Haruno. The only possible convert is that one person who can block night actions that target them or whatever that role was called.

Also just realized XX made the same points I just did, but all the same. Based off of Blazade's post and the limited opportunities, I don't think it's likely that we have *that* many recruits.
 
hey

Hey guys

Stop being bad at mafia

You know I'd love to really lay into more on why this lynch is braindead but my computer died yesterday and I'm not inclined to write a fucking encyclopedia on my phone

Former hope is never this retarded so he's probably scum and has somehow never proven his rb

Viper's claim is ass tier and makes no sense context-wise

Fenrir is mia

Champ is worse than idle lurking

And instead we settle on town telling dle who has no incentive to fucking push back on claiming yesterday UNLESS IM FUCKING TOWN WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
 
XnadrojX said:
Mmhmm yeah I'm convinced now.

Vote: Da Letter El

There may still be cultists out there so I'm going to go look at the rolestoppers and see who are the potential cultists.
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Stop being bad.

Explain why I push back on claiming yesterday only to claim compulsive tourist today unless I'm actually town compulsive tourist.
 
Former Hope said:
Did the rolestoppers ever give a list of their targets? (Toni in particular since I'm pretty sure Hawkie targeted Blazade N1). Since otherwise, given that neither Champ or I ever targeted Haruno. The only possible convert is that one person who can block night actions that target them or whatever that role was called.

Also just realized XX made the same points I just did, but all the same. Based off of Blazade's post and the limited opportunities, I don't think it's likely that we have *that* many recruits.
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Stop being bad.

Explain why I push back on claiming yesterday only to claim compulsive tourist today unless I am actually town compulsive tourist.
 
Da Letter El said:
hey

Hey guys

Stop being bad at mafia

You know I'd love to really lay into more on why this lynch is braindead but my computer died yesterday and I'm not inclined to write a fucking encyclopedia on my phone

Former hope is never this retarded so he's probably scum and has somehow never proven his rb

Viper's claim is ass tier and makes no sense context-wise

Fenrir is mia

Champ is worse than idle lurking

And instead we settle on town telling dle who has no incentive to fucking push back on claiming yesterday UNLESS IM FUCKING TOWN WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
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Honestly, the reaction in this post just seems real.. Scum wouldn't post reads in their post so freely. As for FH to have been proving their rb'er, how do you expect them to prove it? By rb'ing Texas?

Or probably, FH can RB me and prove it. Honestly, I don't know if I will be notified of it or not. But it's just this - I didn't get why you thought that rb'ing a SK can kill you. I mean, the only theme where you can get killed by rb'ing a scum member is rb'ing a werewolf in a mafiascum classic.
 
Da Letter El said:
hey

Hey guys

Stop being bad at mafia

You know I'd love to really lay into more on why this lynch is braindead but my computer died yesterday and I'm not inclined to write a fucking encyclopedia on my phone

Former hope is never this retarded so he's probably scum and has somehow never proven his rb

Viper's claim is ass tier and makes no sense context-wise

Fenrir is mia

Champ is worse than idle lurking

And instead we settle on town telling dle who has no incentive to fucking push back on claiming yesterday UNLESS IM FUCKING TOWN WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
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So I agree that former's shit is super convenient

And that his claim stinks and it's totally possible that mafia is him plus champ

I'm having a hard time reconciling his theory about you as coming from a scum perspective

And the lack of resistance on your lynch is accurate both if you're town and if you're sk

And a compulsive tourist is a potentially viable fake claim to be provided, albeit risky for a sk if it wants to be tested with a roleblock

So that encyclopedia would be appreciated
 
Actually on second thought

Lynch Former Hope

This is the least risky play

If there's a mafia, former hope is mafia

If there's no mafia, dle is probably sk

If there's a mafia, we must lynch mafia today

If there's no mafia, we are not in LYLO and can afford to mislynch

Therefore the correct play is to test against the lose condition and proceed to the win condition on the subsequent Lynch

The only possible monkey wrench is the condition where blazade was lying about him being the only recruited cultist. I do not believe this to be true.

P.S. aubisio's kill makes a crapload of sense as a killer targeting potential cultist converts given last night was an even night it would make more sense to aim for the odd night immunes which is more of a concern for a solo acting SK vs a grouped mafia. The odd night immunes also make a lot of sense if you consider that they have immunity on the first night of the game, thereby providing a greater chance for haruno's convert to be successful immediately
 
No disrespect but fmpov champ is probably the other possibility for scum and if town the person most likely to be brought to LYLO for scum to try and leverage so I think we line up the lynches in the order of Former Hope -> Champ -> DLE assuming we always hit town

I'm the most likely night kill tonight, one of viper and fenrir is most likely on night 6 to avoid the odd night effects unless they fear jordans game solve making a 3 way LYLO in this situation DLE/Jordan/Fenrir or DLE/Viper/Fenrir. In this situation if all of Former/Champ/me/the nightkills flip town then DLE becomes the easy Lynch in LYLO for the win

The only other considerations are: lynching Viper instead of champ as commuter could be a decoy "don't target me while I kill" fake claim or the unlikely possibility of a cult victory

Personally I think we've eliminated the cult and of I'm wrong I'm okay losing to that if it means we successfully find the sk/mafia
 
On second second thought we don't lynch champ tomorrow that's just dumb, if former flips roleblocker that all but confirms champ as town and we proceed directly to lynching DLE or, if we want to use our mislynches to test, we lynch viper who is the only other possible SK/possible two-man mafia option
 
Texas Cloverleaf what does an untargetable vanilla (essentially) add to a set up with 2-4 RB's and the only thing it adds is occasional blocking on doc of all trades (which doesn't matter because commuter), cop (which doesn't add anything interesting because can just be checked on evens), and the cultist occasionally? From a design stand point it just doesn't make much sense to add in
 
It's something that allows the cultists to get them easily, so it sort of fits right in perfectly imo.

Also Texas Cloverleaf more spitballing here. But look at the Aubisio and Flyhn kills. In no world do they make sense unless the SK (or mafia...but seriously, it's pretty obvious there is no mafia if you look at it) has something role wise to gain by killing all vanilla towns, which just happened. So tonight we may be looking at an empowered SK or some shit like that.
 
It's completely foolish to play as if that's a valid assumption

At this point in the game we have 90% of the information

We don't start adding in an extra 20% until we've established that last 10%

Quite frankly going off about empowered serial killers plus the random theories that DLE knows he can't kill acid looks like a clumsy mafia attempt to force paranoia at DLE

But this is all irrelevant anyway
 
Not to mention Texas, the fact you haven't been roleblocked to death should prove that Champ and I aren't scum. Since I mean, given the current role situation it would only make sense for us to roleblock you as scum to deny any potential results, especially if either of us were the SK and knew you had your SK check still.

As for the DLE role thing. Man, if anything. It's just weird and if you are town (unlikely) then I agree it's probably not your real role. However given that A. We have your list of targets B. You seem to have no effect from your visits, by lynching you we find your town role and can actually use your role to towns advantage.

...but that's an unlikely scenario.

Da Letter El said:
Hey guys, I'm merlin, so I know some of the mafia.

vote acidphoenix

Sorry man I didn't approve this game
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This is singlehandedly the strongest reason why we lynch DLE today. Sure he says it was random, but this play was random af and him kickstarting the acid lynch heavily implies he knew Acid was anti SK and wanted him gone. Sure you could say he was playing weird and doing the play he claimed, but in that case you say it's a 1/15 chance he chose the anti SK role and that's unlikely luck that we'd be stupid to ignore.
 
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