What are the common foes in UU for now?

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Ok guys, I have this weird problem with my first completely UU team. It has the problem in that it works amazingly well in OU, but it kinda umm dies against UU teams. I have a feeling that it is because I don't know a damn thing about the UU metagame since it isn't even completely made up right now, but I'd be doing so much better if I DID know a damn thing about it, because my team is really good for both UU and OU and I want it to look that way when I'm actually battling so I can make good predictions in UU.

Yeah, so what are the more common foes in UU?

I've got know certain ones like:

Hypno - Special Wall + Switcheroo is very common, Baton Pass + Nasty Plot is common as well

Hitmonlee - Choice Bander is very common and always packs Close Combat and Blaze Kick for Shedinja.

Shuckle - Walling everything, stealth rock and knocking off items.

Quagsire - Physical walling, a common switch-in to water attacks and always carries Earthquake and most likely Stone Edge as well.

Yeah, those are all pretty common, well, for me at least, although I've only been practicing ACTUAL UU for only about a week or so, so this is one of the few things I'm really inexperienced at. The big problem is that excluding the pokemon above, I really don't know any of the other common foes that one would expect to see in UU...

Enlighten me please. Thanks very much. :]
 
Be prepared for raindance teams. With no autoweather changers an Omastar or Gorebyss with Surf/Ice Beam/Hp grass can sweep teams. On a related note, Meganium is a popular special wall.

Hitmontop is used frequently. Can either be defensive or offensive.

Blastoise is the default UU rapid spinner. It has fairly high defenses and often carries counter

In general UU teams are more offensively oriented than many OU teams. The stallish capabilities of UU pokemon are far behind their OU counterparts.

Always good to have more UU players.
 
Persian starters (and occasional Purugly's) are whored like nobody's business, and usually sporting Focus Sash. Seriously, it's literally at least on half of every team.

Stat-uppers are a big threat, seeing as there are significantly less reliable phazers. Be prepared for Nasty Plot Ninetales, Dragon Dance Altarias (And the nasty Draco Meteor versions that can mess your prediction >_<), Bulk Up/Belly Drum Poliwrath and Calm Mind Hypno/Grumpig.

Above all, be prepared for anything. This is a metagame with nearly 100 pokes all around the same power level, each bringing something unique to the table. Surprise is a huge factor in UU, and at least 1 in 3 matches I have there's a poke I'm completely unprepared for or an enemy poke I have no idea what it's gonna do, so be prepared.

EDIT: And for future reference, I love Meganium. I love switching my Subpiggy into em and sweeping entire teams. ^_^
 
I haven't been playing UU for all that long either, but...

Persian leads are extremely common, and Hypnoplot is popular on them. Manelectrics aren't too rare and get pretty good coverage with T-bolt/Overheat/HP Ice. Swellow rips most teams that aren't packing a steel/rock to shreds. Altaria's often pack Draco Meteor, best to be wary of that.

(Btw, wasn't it decided that Poliwrath was too strong for UU?)
 
Fishin said:
I haven't been playing UU for all that long either, but...

Persian leads are extremely common, and Hypnoplot is popular on them. Manelectrics aren't too rare and get pretty good coverage with T-bolt/Overheat/HP Ice. Swellow rips most teams that aren't packing a steel/rock to shreds. Altaria's often pack Draco Meteor, best to be wary of that.

(Btw, wasn't it decided that Poliwrath was too strong for UU?)
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Yeah, I think wrath is low BL? IDK. However, Politoad dos fairly well in UU should memory serve correctly.
 
Wrath is on the "To be tested" list along with Ninetales and Hitmonlee, I think it's still UU.

(Also be prepared for tier problems.)
 
for all you people talking about uu, I never see anyone on the shoddy uu list lookin for a fight.. let me know if you ever wanna throw down.. my uu team isn't so hot and i need some practice!
 
Considering the abundance of Steel and Rock walls/tanks, priority moves and residual damage, Swellow isn't that big of a threat.
 
Personally I find UU play too infrequent for there to be any common foes - although I must admit I have not visited Shoddy's main server for a while now, so I might be wrong - however I do agree with -Cynthia- that Rain Dance teams are on the increase.

Also I don't seem to see Kangaskhan or Clefable mentioned ... certainly threats to look out for.
 
Xatu? Really? I've used it a couple of times myself but other than that have yet to see anybody else use it ...
 
Xatu is most definitely not common, although I use one. Its stats alone make it pitiful even in UU.

In principle in UU, 'be prepared for anything' is the only thing worth taking on board. OU runs around countering the same 15 odd pokemon over and over again.

UU however you are dealing with nearly over 100 pokemon all on even ground with a ridiculous ammount of niches.
 
I would sooner use Pelipper in UU than Mantine, if that says something.

I'd never guess Shuckle'd be common ANYWHERE, but if people who actually play UU say so...
 
Actually in my experience Shuckle aren't all that common, as there is no Sand Stream in UU, and so it's not nearly as a good a tank.

As for Swellow ... well it's generally suffering from either burn or poison damage, so even without Rock/Steel types, it doesn't last that long with good switching and protect abuse.
 
Ehh, well the other walls are a lot more common, but Shuckle is still a top of the line UU and is also one of the best stealth rock users in the UU metagame since I'm not even sure if Gligar is allowed. It's an incredible lead and defintely needs to be taken into account.

Heh, I can't believe I forgot about Blastoise as a spinner considering I use the damn thing. Isn't Sandslash a good spinner in UU since it's basically Donphan Jr.?
 
Bologo said:
Isn't Sandslash a good spinner in UU since it's basically Donphan Jr.?
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It has its merits but also fails in some areas, although it shares some moves (but lacks Roar, Ice Shard and two elemental fangs) its stats are just significantly inferior to Donphan in everything except speed. (Donphan even beats it in the special stats...)

This is actually quite a setback since the one nice thing about Donphan is it survives even occasional HP's. Sandslash just...drops dead.

Sandslash tends to orientate more towards an attacker with its decent offensive movepool. I remember it gets X-Scissor, Night Slash, Poison Jab, Stone Edge, Aerial Ace and has Swords Dance at least. I once ran a Salac sweeper Sandslash and it did have the merit of being able to setup against physical attackers but lost to those 120-130 speed guys.

I imagine it would be possible to run a Donphan Jr. set with Sandslash along the lines of Impish 252-252/Counter/Rapid Spin/Stealth Rock/Earthquake or SE with quite abit of effect regardless.

sandman said:
I don't really play UU but is slowking popular now that it has Nasty Plot?
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Last I checked Slowking was more BL than UU.
 
Just out of curiousity, but would this team be considered UU:
-Swellow
-Dragonair
-Ninetales
-Kangaskhan
-Clefable
-Shuckle
If so, expect me to make a UU team in a few weeks. I always thought Ninetales and Swellow were BL.
 
I'd always watch out for Trick Room teams in UU. With so many slow pokemon in that tier (Camerupt, Ampharos, Clefable, etc.), it's definately a threat, especially Camerupt, who can tear up everything not named Blastoise or Poliwrath up with STAB Eruption...
 
travisurfer said:
Just out of curiousity, but would this team be considered UU:
-Swellow
-Dragonair
-Ninetales
-Kangaskhan
-Clefable
-Shuckle
If so, expect me to make a UU team in a few weeks. I always thought Ninetales and Swellow were BL.
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A few of those Pokemon are currently being considered for BL status (Ninetales, maybe Clefable for Luster Guard or whatever it was, and NFEs are also being debated (Dragonair) but otherwise yeah it's fine. Simple Question/Simple Answer next time though for that kind of question.

Like mentioned before UU has a crapload of really awesome Pokemon because they really are all on the same level (moreso than OU at least). Most team strategies work, Trick Room isn't really viable anymore (too many guys that have mediocre speed... not that TR is usually successful anyways) and lots of unique types like Aggron and Girafarig. The same standards apply to UU as OU- Make your team's theme and go with it- and actually this is way more common in UU since pretty much everything can be a threat with the proper setup.

Edit: lol that my post about TR in UU comes right after Scyther's. Sorry dude but the main TR candidates that you mentioned can play just as well in UU without TR, with the exception of Camerupt.
 
I played both BL and UU a lot, before. I'm currently on an OU roll, so my information may be outdated. Also, like Shiny Oddish, UU play is too sparse to consider anything too common. However, I have an interest in using UU pokes in OU as well. Here's my thoughts on UU pokes:
Pelipper has had stellar performances on my team. Ice Beam, HP Electic, Surf and Roost have taken down many a foe in OU, and I've done well in UU with it. It's Water/Flying typing seems great in UU, but beware of Rotom and Manethric, and of course Lanturn. Also, I am considering an Agiliper that could possibly outspeed OU AND UU and blast away, with possibly HP Ground to wallop the Electric switchins.
Cacturne did very well for me, and I actually thought it was BL. Sash-couter, Sash-SD, Sash, Sucker Punch, and Seed Bomb. I usually won the prediction wars that followed. It could wreak havoc in UU.
Hitmontop, while a controversial pokemon, I think is UU. Both defensive Bulk Up Intmidate sets, Technician offensive annoyer sets, Banders, all are there to wreak havoc on the unprepared team. However, one can usually guess what it is as soon as it comes out (Intimidate or no Intimidate?).
Altaria, the Dragon of UU. Like cousin Salamence in Standard, this cotton-pluff cutesy Dragon will keep you guessing what it's set is until it actually makes a move. Switch in Hypno? Say hello to a DD in the face and then a nice Dragon Claw in the face. Switch in Sandslash and say hello to SpecsMeteor. Annoying, but once you know it's set it's pretty predictable.
Persian, the faster and skinnier cat. As a lead, it can be either two things: Hypnoplot, or Fake Out Technician versions. Switch in a Lum Berry Drifblim and make it pay for using sleep moves :). It can be pretty annoying, but it goes out quick and does not do to much damage.
Also, an intersting option is Switcheroo.
Ninetails is as controversial as Hitmontop, but UU for now. Hypnoplot is the standard, though it has a variety of other options. Energy Ball, Fire Moves, etc. Standard fire type.
Purugly, the fatter cat of the two, though not that much slower (surprisingly). 112 outspeeds even Gengar in OU. It's more offensive physically, though it's 1 point behind in Sp.Attack and lacks Nasty Plot. It's only slightly more defensive. It's abilities aren't besting Technician and Limber, and it does not have Switcheroo. It still has Hypnosis, and it also has Sucker Punch. Useful for HP Fight Electrodes trying to nail you. Basically, it's a more effective physical attacker than Persian, and that's it. Still, useful.
Sandslash is, as Bologo noticed, Donphan Jr. It can set up the Rocks, Rapid Spin, and can Thief items. It also has SD for an offensive flavor. Too bad it lacks Ice Shard.
Blastoise is the Bulky Water of the joint. It spins, hazes, can Countercoat. It can Yawn, and Toxic (err...). It's favored more for physical tanking/walling.
Butterfree will pop up as a lead alot, usually Double-Stausing (Doublepowder: Sleep Powder, Stun Spore). It usually carries a sash. It can U-Turn and WW you away. It can Roost... but eh. Doublepowder is it's best use, but it can wreak havoc.
Nido-royale, the bulky and offensive versions of one pokemon. Queen usually carries out regular tanking duties (Toxic Spiking, etc.). King uses his offensive powers and two similar stats to blow your team away mixing, or staying on one path.
Kangaskhan can be a lot of things. Bulky or offensive. Subpuncher with Scrappy or tanker with Rest+Early Bird. It has even Outrage. It has Sucker Punch. It can Endure/Reversal w/ Scrappy. It can use Wish. It can Sing. But, it's the jack-of-all trades, master-of-none.
Chatot it an interesting special bird with Nasty Plot, Chatter, Encore, Hyper Voice, and Sing, U-Turn as other options. Hidden Power Fight as well. Rotom can easily come in on it, however.
Rotom was mentioned a lot before. This was mostly due to it's fantasticly innovative and refreshing typing. It can Trick, Burn, paralyze, or just plain attack. It's pretty fragile, but it's speed and sp.attack are good.
Grumpig, Psychic sp.defensive guy #1. He has good sp.defense, but unlike his partner in crime he is less wallish and more offensive. CM is his greatest asset. He has Thick Fat.
Hypno, Psychic sp.defensive guy #2. He has great sp.defense, but his offense is mediocre. Switcheroo/Trick, Hypnosis, Nasty Plot/Belly Drum Baton Pass... He can checkmate your team easily. He can't do much back, however.
Probopass, Mr.Potato of pokemon. He has both good defense and sp.defense, but most people prefer sp.defense. He has Magnet Pull. He has OK sp.attack to obliterate weaklings like Sharpedo. He is the member of the Rock/Steel club along with
Aggron, who most definetly has better defense than sp.defense, is another member of the rock/steel club. He has good attack as well. If you're physical and dont have a way of dealing with him, he can stall you forever.
Shuckle is another huge defenses guy, but he has abysmal HP. His support options are numerous (Encore, Knock Off, etc.) but he has NO offense and no recovery outside of rest. Still, he is good.
Swellow has that scary Facade/Guts/Burn Orb combo alomg with U-Turn and Brave Bird. Yeah.
Poliwrath is controversial, but UU for now. Belly Drum, Hypnosis, Focus Punch, Water Absorb, etc. are great. He can also Bulk Up for pain.
Politoed is the pampered version of Poliwrath, the prince rather than the pauper. As a special wall, he's OK. Hypnosis, Surf, Water Absorb, Seismic Toss, Ice Beam. He can Belly Drum up if you want to go for surprise.
Meganium is a mixed wall by stats, but a physical wall by preference. Leech Seed, Light Screen, and a lot more populate this grasser's movepool. Typical grass... Though he's pure grass, interesting.
Vileplume. I HATE A VILOPLUMESS! ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE SUBSTITUTE! This says a lot about the fear people have of Leech Seed Vileplume. Excelent defensive stats and subseed make it something to fear. Pretty good. SD Vileplumes and specs ones are seen as well.
Kingler, the crap. Crabhammer, X-Scizzor, etc. SD. Basically a physical water type powerhouse. It's 115 defense is nullufied by 55 HP and 50 Sp.Def, IMO. 75 speed is OK.
Sharpedo is another water-type powerhouse, but he's as fragile as cardboard. He has good movepool, sp.attack, attack, and speed. Watch out for this.
OK, I'll update the list as I go.
 
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