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lol at Shanderaa getting called out for support clause
By the way, we'll probably start discussing what's uber and whats not when we have a simulator of our own up and running when we can actually do suspect tests. /tiering discussion
Erufuun @ Leftovers
*Unlimited Lint Works*
Mischievous Heart
Timid 252 Spd 252 HP 4 Satk
- Taunt
- Leech Seed
- Gale
- Cotton Guard / Encore
Taunt stops the turn 1 SR, Leech Seed is obvious, Gale hits pokemon that are immune to Seed, Cotton Guard boosts Defense. Encore clears a set up.
*Unlimited Lint Works*
Mischievous Heart
Timid 252 Spd 252 HP 4 Satk
- Taunt
- Leech Seed
- Gale
- Cotton Guard / Encore
Taunt stops the turn 1 SR, Leech Seed is obvious, Gale hits pokemon that are immune to Seed, Cotton Guard boosts Defense. Encore clears a set up.
It didn't "spread" to the shandera thread. I made a joke about it that you seem to have thought was a serious claim.
But yes, there is a support
This is where any discussion of Erfun getting banned started in the shandera thread. No need to worry people, it was not a serious suggestion. You may continue going about your day.
I would put Substitute somewhere in there, Preferably over Gale, since other Grass- types could be handled by the rest of the team. He really needs Substitute to be able to Leech Seed. I would use an EV Spread of 252 Def 252 Spe and 4 Sp.Def, Max HP makes it harder to set up Substitutes.
Hahaha /win.
Anyway I'm liking the cotton guard, like someone said I would run Sub over Gale. I like a counter for grass types myself, but at least they aren't as common, even though I'm sure people will be using Breloom, Jaroda and Eru. It'll be annoying when they come out but you can always handle them with a combo of Eru and a counter.
Yeah, I think the misuse of terminology is causing some confusion here. There is no "Support Clause" nor are there any plans to implement one; however there is a "Support Characteristic", a category we use to define one type of Uber Pokemon.
As of now, there are three of them: Offensive Characteristic, Defensive Characteristic, and Support Characteristic. Further explanation can be found here.
Oh my.
I can't believe people are even considering, like, even having the thought run through their head that Erufuun is in any way Uber material.
Yeah, it's annoying, but it isn't in any way game breaking.
I can't believe people are even considering, like, even having the thought run through their head that Erufuun is in any way Uber material.
Yeah, it's annoying, but it isn't in any way game breaking.
Well, if I was going hyperdefensive, then
Erufuun @ Yache Berry/Leftovers
*Lamb over Rice*
Calm / 252 HP / 252 Sdef / 4 Def
- Taunt/Encore/Gale/HP
- Substitute
- Cotton Guard
- Leech Seed
HP's my being random, Yache Berry's to survive a weaker Ice Shard or HP Ice without ruining a sub/giving you the chance to boost Def, the reasoning for everything else is obv.
which is funny because my erufuun lead (taunt/encore/protect/u turn since i dont like being completely nullified by grass types and the set in itself has also worked great (i peaked 1/417))always as an advantage over ditto since it´s slower and can easily u turn out after the taunt or u turn, "beating" it every time.
Your definitely gonna want to use Leftovers, it makes SubSeeding much better and Yache doesn't really help too much compared to Lefties, especially with Cotton Guard.
Wow, I forgot completely about U-Turn >.>
This thing combined with the new Eccentric Ditto basically spells the end of setup. I can't thing of a single Pokemon that could possibly beat both of them in conjunction. Add in CM Shadow Tag Shandera and some Spikes/SR support, and you've basically got the entire game in the palm of your hand.
Also, combined with all the ridiculously powerful sweepers in the game, Erufuun completely eliminates Stall as a viable option. That's ridiculous to the point of absurdity. This little puffball is a monster, through and through.
And then there's Cotton Guard. WTF, 2 turn setup for +6 defenses, priority Substitute/Leech Seed, and then add Windstorm, HP Flying, or some other move to hit Grass types? I think I just died a little inside.
It's not uber, it's not utterly game breaking, but damn, if this little demon doesn't get sent to OU, I'll be shocked.
Also, combined with all the ridiculously powerful sweepers in the game, Erufuun completely eliminates Stall as a viable option. That's ridiculous to the point of absurdity. This little puffball is a monster, through and through.
And then there's Cotton Guard. WTF, 2 turn setup for +6 defenses, priority Substitute/Leech Seed, and then add Windstorm, HP Flying, or some other move to hit Grass types? I think I just died a little inside.
It's not uber, it's not utterly game breaking, but damn, if this little demon doesn't get sent to OU, I'll be shocked.
I think he meant Switch into them while they use the Set-Up move, then Encore/Outspeed them with Ditto from there. It's obvious a Erufuun or a Ditto won't live a +1 Ononokusu's Outrage.
Actually, what I meant is that it destroys the effectivness of setup. If Erufuun can get in on the DD or whatever, it can Encore and force them to switch or die from SubSeed. Choice Scarf Ditto doesn't even have that limitation, simply allow your opponent to set up to +6 and then switch in Ditto to revenge, since it copies boosts and will always be faster with a Choice Scarf. No more game winning sweeps.
Lol @ switching either of them into attacks. I'm aware they're not bulky, but they don't need to be.
Lol @ switching either of them into attacks. I'm aware they're not bulky, but they don't need to be.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Also, I updated the SubSeed Set, and fixed up the format a bit.
Shouldn't this thing have max speed? Since Torneros and Boltros, being ony 5 points lower in Speed than Erufuun, have Mischievous Heart as well? Would there be a scenario where that happens? I think people who use Erufuun shouldn't take any chances.
Considering that those two are the only things he's not gonna outspeed, you might have better things to do than hope that those two don't have max speed or your Eru's screwed anyway. Just put it into the defenses, where they might have more use a majority of the time
The only time they will be using Mischievous Heart is when they are Swords Dancing, so honestly they aren't a worry.
