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does mafia!fh really make such blatantly bad posts?

this logic is dreadful but makes him a super big target for saying it, getting called, then sticking to it. the guy has been around since metagame, i'd think his scum game would be a bit more refined unless he is indeed super floundering.

if fh is floundering scum then his partner has to be one of the chronic idlers, probably blazade by this walrein exchange, maybe sam due to fh putting him as not possible scum.

i agree the logic is crap and unhelpful and town absolutely need to be pressing people, scumhunting and relying on more than the clearly-faulty shots and whims of gunbearers.

im just skeptical fh makes such posts on the 13th shot as mafia.
 
I see the possible scum as: Walrein, Blazade, Moody and Asek. Of those, I'd probably shoot

1st: Moody
2nd: Walrein
3rd: Blazade
4th: Asek

Moody first because weird tendency to jump from player to player pushing whoever seems the most vulnerable that isn't them.
Walrein second because in this last interaction they do come off really bad to me and my original reason for reading them as town is false.
Blazade third because well...he's not moody or walrein but less towny than asek
Asek fourth because of my original reason to read walrein as town
 
gonna address this real quick

Yeti said:
does mafia!fh really make such blatantly bad posts?

this logic is dreadful but makes him a super big target for saying it, getting called, then sticking to it. the guy has been around since metagame, i'd think his scum game would be a bit more refined unless he is indeed super floundering.

if fh is floundering scum then his partner has to be one of the chronic idlers, probably blazade by this walrein exchange, maybe sam due to fh putting him as not possible scum.

i agree the logic is crap and unhelpful and town absolutely need to be pressing people, scumhunting and relying on more than the clearly-faulty shots and whims of gunbearers.

im just skeptical fh makes such posts on the 13th shot as mafia.
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this thought was actually in the back of my mind as i read his logic

what i eventually decided was that former's been around long enough to know that people (e.g. myself) often townread outside-the-box thinking for this exact reason, and at this stage in the game he'd probably be more likely to take a gamble on something like this as scum

plus it has the advantage of clogging the thread and distracting from any discussion about potential partners

also, if he's just floundering there's not a ton of people that could stop him at that exact moment in time. i know i'm not scum, i'm pretty sure asek isn't, moody and blazade were afk. that just leaves you and sam. former flipping scum is one of the ONLY scenarios that would get me to start looking for scumtells on you, and a former/sam team makes a lot of sense - which i'm about to get to
 
i think sam/fh is a viable team especially with ag/sam

i disagree that fh not being stopped means sam or i are more likely to be his partner; it's pretty clear he WASN'T told to not post that or not continue it. that means moody/blazade being afk is more likely, though moody is an unlikely fh partner.

i agree with fh that moody has felt very opportunistic a la ag in his pushes. he seems to be ok with a lot of people being the shot depending on where other votes/suspicions may land right before his post; i felt ag did the same thing except to push his scumbuddies at times when they weren't likely to be killed.

i can "see" fh's point that people pushing a narrative in this format have fair odds of being mafia trying to get a misfire but so do town???? trying to get mafia shot?? so idk.
 
ladies and gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure, please enjoy a classical OMGUS

UncleSam said:
Walrein is bad tbh, I think it is bizarre that that slot has skated by for so long and has consistently had terrible reads while never fighting strongly with anyone
are you talking about my reads or wimmer's? because either way i disagree with you, lol. care to explain which reads you're referring to? note that i wouldn't say that a read you disagree with is necessarily a "bad read", i think a read with weak foundations and little reasoning is a bad read, even if it turns out correct

as for fighting strongly with people... dude, you know me. you know i'm not the most confrontational person. since when is fighting with people necessarily a towntell, especially for me? plus i just fuckin spent a page and a half fighting with former hope what the hell are you smoking

Reading back through AG's posts more maybe I was wrong on Blazade and he's not a good shot here
addressing this later in the post since you elaborate

Asek I'd be comfortable going to endgame with, Yeti I'm close to that on but not quite there
i actually agree with this part

Former Hope I think is a fairly decent chance of Walrein partner, possible mafia otherwise but less likely imo
so you think my arguments with former make him MORE likely to be mafia? you think it feels like i'm bussing? in that case, what's the tell? what's informing you that i'm bussing former hope?

so here's the thing about the statement i underlined. it's a nice partner defense in any other game, where i die and flip villa and sam can say "oh i guess former's not scum after all" - the issue being that i get the gun and at this point i'm 99% shooting former first if i'm gunbearer, which defeats the point.

that is, of course, unless this is a bus in and of itself. sam gets me shot, i shoot former. former flips mafia. sam goes like "well clearly i wasn't defending him because [stuff i just said]", so now he looks clean. bam. easy towncred.

is that a stretch? maybe. the issue here is that it's a really weird statement to make from a town perspective, because i just had this whole argument with former hope, at the end of which we're pretty hard scumreading each other. it seems incredibly silly for sam to IMMEDIATELY jump to the conclusion that the 2 remaining scum are exactly us and that we're bussing each other, and if that IS the conclusion he drew i feel like he'd ennumerate it.

Moody I think is probably mafia if I'm wrong about Former Hope

why

So there are seven possible shots right now, and I think that Walrein is who I would 100% shoot if I had the gun. I think that FH and Moody are acceptable shots as well but imo Walrein would tell us more because I doubt that FH and Moody are partners based on recent interactions

elaborate on that last bit

Blazade and AG fought fairly consistently and AG scumread Blazade / pushed for a Blazade shot several times so I sort of think that he is village

so you immediately jump to the conclusion that i'm bussing former (or vice-versa) but that blazade is pure for fighting with AG? seems fake but ok

Right now of the six non-confirmed cleans, I would rank them (towniest to scummiest):
Asek
Yeti
Blazade
MoodyCloud
Former Hope
Walrein

Come fight me Walrein, show me one place where you actually went after someone or go after someone now

i'm starting to think you didn't even read the former hope shit

also sure i'll go after you kthx

Also name two people you think are mafia together and who you want shot

let's see here. uh, you and former, and you and former

(if that doesn't pan out i take a hard look at moody/blazade. yeti a tinfoil last resort unless she fucks up hard. i'm pretty confident in riding or dying with asek at this moment in time, but i'll be constantly re-evaluating that)
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responded line by line, in bold
 
oh, and i forgot to mention: interesting that former flips a scumread onto me at the exact same time that sam rolls into the thread with a dank character assassination

:thinking:
 
Yeti said:
i disagree that fh not being stopped means sam or i are more likely to be his partner; it's pretty clear he WASN'T told to not post that or not continue it. that means moody/blazade being afk is more likely, though moody is an unlikely fh partner.
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so i think my logic got twisted around somewhere between my brain and the keyboard, because yeah, me thinking that FH floundering rules out idlers is clearly a garbage point.

as for it making you more likely to be a partner, it didn't until you made that post that i originally quoted. it's not a BAD post (hell, i had similar thoughts) but in context it's a pretty solid defense of the guy, which won't look super great if he flips bad
 
i think you bailing him out publicly for ++towncred would be a viable play given how close you are to ride-or-die tier on many peoples' readlists

where's your head at, though? gun to your head, who do you shoot? who are you taking to f3?
 
whoops

Yeti said:
I want sam and moody shot before you esp now that ag flipped scum but compared to asek, I think your slot has less to warrant actually town reading it. if sam/moody aren't just straight the last 2 scum I see fewer things to suggest you wouldn't be one, than would be. same with blazade. fh is very dependent on moody's flip to how strongly I feel he's town or scum. I find them extremely unlikely teammates.
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yep there it is

remind me on the sam/moody connection because i obviously think there are some pretty strong sam/fh associatives happening rn
 
lmao tfw Walrein instantly hard OMGUSes and just goes NO YOURE MAFIA rofling at those posts

how tf is he not shot yet seriously

and ya it makes perfect sense you have NOT been fighting with FH much only today, recently, and as a bandwagon measure after others already did so. You're manufacturing distance because he looks like the shot now rofl

Anyway this is pretty clear cut at this point Walrein is just reflexively posting

FH and Moody are unlikely partners because they've been going after each other for quite a while (unlike you're claimed 'distance' Walrein lmao)

I wanna see Asek weigh in because I don't recall a final shots list but tbqh I haven't read recent pages very closely; who do you think the shot is here if you don't agree with me that it's pretty clearly walrein based on the above (or since DLE started idling like way back when)

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its more ag, both are very viable partners for him and i maintain that ag would go on them to bus/cast suspicion onto them and then pull off when they were actually in danger of being shot. moody has been townreading sam a bit but uses the logic ag pushed sam as a reason to tr him when i think ag must have been pushing some of his teammates. perhaps this was intended by all 3 being mafia to try and set up a very diverse, distanced read of each other. despite this:

"Unclesam - has been pushed by AG for a while now, evidence points to him being town but in a fragile way, has made shot pools with 1/2 scum among 4 people, nothing that convincing but far from my top shot atm"
in the same post moody puts his shots as:
"I'd shoot FH and Walrein, Unclesam being next"

this post in general is just awful. #1662

it contains such gems as "Blazade- Fairly hard evidence and interactions pointing to him being town, could always be a mole of course but I have no reason to not put him in my town pool"
and
"Walrein - I have no idea but I feel like the odds of him being scum are high"

aka i have no actual reason to read them either way. i cbf to find evidence. so here's a general read. what is this evidence that points to blazade being town??

i get that sam is shot 3 below fh and walrein as a priority but for moody's Actual read on sam it doesn't seem right that he's shot #3. especially when his reasoning for blazade is much less convincing; sam's shot pool and the ag push are at least concrete points rather than "hard evidence" which is what exactly??

my f3 is me, myself, and i. i already said i dislike this notion of deciding prematurely who to take to endgame when town needs to constantly reevaluate their reads once each shot flips. i couldnt say yet.

for example even though i think asek is a subpar shot now, i think he becomes a much better shot if sam flips mafia and both moody and fh flip town.

reason being asek has had this sort of nebulous strong town read on sam but i don't find he's ever really been explicit about why, it's more of a feeling sam is town. if he is sam's partner, this has prevented him from ever really fleshing out the read or making a push onto his teammate.
 
UncleSam said:
lmao tfw Walrein instantly hard OMGUSes and just goes NO YOURE MAFIA rofling at those posts

how tf is he not shot yet seriously

and ya it makes perfect sense you have NOT been fighting with FH much only today, recently, and as a bandwagon measure after others already did so. You're manufacturing distance because he looks like the shot now rofl

Anyway this is pretty clear cut at this point Walrein is just reflexively posting

FH and Moody are unlikely partners because they've been going after each other for quite a while (unlike you're claimed 'distance' Walrein lmao)

I wanna see Asek weigh in because I don't recall a final shots list but tbqh I haven't read recent pages very closely; who do you think the shot is here if you don't agree with me that it's pretty clearly walrein based on the above (or since DLE started idling like way back when)

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This post is bad and you should feel bad, regardless of what team you're on
 
remaining partner scenarios:

moodycloud:
unclesam - in connection with ag this team makes a lot of sense; it assumes the scum have been pretty heavily bussing each other all game. but looking at this thread and moody's waffling and inconsistent views on sam, there are few reasons why they couldn't be teammates
walrein - they could be trying to force a former hope misfire which seems exceedingly risky considering if they are scum and fh shoots them both, they lose. i find this unlikely as such, i think if 1 is scum, the other probably is not.
blazade - i see little reason why moody and blazade couldn't be teammates; does anyone really remember a strong interaction between the two of them either way? blazade sneaks into moody's town reads for "no reason not to tr" which just seems like a vague attempt to shift suspicion off his relatively inactive partner. i think this scumteam of w-d, fort, moody and blazade all idling makes sense for why josh might ragesub out, though moody has been active more recently, possibly because he's 1 of the last 2/3 of his team and cannot afford to idle. ag would've been bussing both of them which seems consistent.

note this moody post from when hitmonleet had the gun:
I'd shoot Flyhn over Twin
Actually if Leet shoots FH and he then shoots me I'd shoot Flyhn right then and there
But FH's cocky attitude makes me doubt his scummyness, could just be a bluff tho. If he was actively looking for scum instead of going "Do it, take your shot" while seemingly having me as his sole scumread that would make him look better.

Ag/Flyhn seem active but neutral
Walrein/unclesam/asek seem currently inactive
And that's where I'd start shooting atm

the phrasing here seems very odd; moody seems to imply leet shooting fh wouldn't be a misfire would then result in fh shooting moody. or is the "he" who shoots moody supposed to be leet after a successful shot onto fh?

in any case moody follows that up with "flyhn seems active but neutral" after saying TWICE he would shoot flyhn in that very same post. once before twin, the other as his instant first shot if he got the gun.

why tf do you a. think flyhn is a good shot b. say you will shoot him if your read on him is "neutral" ??? nonsensical. blazade is also conveniently left out of this post.

moody has been at odds with fh for SO long i don't think distancing is at play here. i would find it very unlikely they are both mafia together.

moody's inability to be consistent in his own posts makes me think he is struggling with providing town-minded reads as scum when he knows who his teammates are and who town actually are. he has no or poor reasons for his townreads because he doesn't actually have to intuit anything, he genuinely knows. again he seems very opportunistic with this, saying he would shoot flyhn (flipped town) as a neutral read.

moody has voted to shoot ag on 4/12, 4/14 and 4/15 and this post was on 4/13... so he kept pushing for ag to be shot but AGAIN has him as active but neutral? wat?

"I'd shoot Auraguardian/Walrein I guess
Do whatever you want I'm salty that everyone went fishing for moles instead of shooting Ag"

go iso moody and tell me if you think this guy has built enough of a case to be 'salty' ag wasn't shot yet.

"I agree with most of this post except that I'd consider shooting Auraguardian/walrein before Unclesam (and possibly Blazade because my gut screams that one of him and aura is scum)."

he would.. consider it?

but also

"Can we shoot Auraguardian/Former hope now pls"

the degree to which moody wants ag shot wavers with no justification, it's not like moody is adjusting his views on ag, he just wants to put ag out there as a shot but never builds a case and doesn't always put the same weight behind the shot. i feel like this is him bussing his scumbuddy because he will look better for having been on the ag train, and ag then goes super aggro to moody to try and clean him with his dying breath, because moody knows ag is going to flip scum.

idk the dude's posts are terribly inconsistent within themselves and his reads versus his shots make no sense. i think he's struggling scum to prvoide town posts and reads which is why he idled so much early in the game, until he couldn't very well idle more.
I'd shoot Flyhn over Twin
Actually if Leet shoots FH and he then shoots me I'd shoot Flyhn right then and there
But FH's cocky attitude makes me doubt his scummyness, could just be a bluff tho. If he was actively looking for scum instead of going "Do it, take your shot" while seemingly having me as his sole scumread that would make him look better.

Ag/Flyhn seem active but neutral
Walrein/unclesam/asek seem currently inactive
And that's where I'd start shooting atm
I'd shoot Flyhn over Twin
Actually if Leet shoots FH and he then shoots me I'd shoot Flyhn right then and there
But FH's cocky attitude makes me doubt his scummyness, could just be a bluff tho. If he was actively looking for scum instead of going "Do it, take your shot" while seemingly having me as his sole scumread that would make him look better.

Ag/Flyhn seem active but neutral
Walrein/unclesam/asek seem currently inactive
And that's where I'd start shooting atm
I'd shoot Flyhn over Twin
Actually if Leet shoots FH and he then shoots me I'd shoot Flyhn right then and there
But FH's cocky attitude makes me doubt his scummyness, could just be a bluff tho. If he was actively looking for scum instead of going "Do it, take your shot" while seemingly having me as his sole scumread that would make him look better.

Ag/Flyhn seem active but neutral
Walrein/unclesam/asek seem currently inactive
And that's where I'd start shooting atm
I'd shoot Flyhn over Twin
Actually if Leet shoots FH and he then shoots me I'd shoot Flyhn right then and there
But FH's cocky attitude makes me doubt his scummyness, could just be a bluff tho. If he was actively looking for scum instead of going "Do it, take your shot" while seemingly having me as his sole scumread that would make him look better.

Ag/Flyhn seem active but neutral
Walrein/unclesam/asek seem currently inactive
And that's where I'd start shooting atm
 
UncleSam said:
lmao tfw Walrein instantly hard OMGUSes and just goes NO YOURE MAFIA rofling at those posts

how tf is he not shot yet seriously

and ya it makes perfect sense you have NOT been fighting with FH much only today, recently, and as a bandwagon measure after others already did so. You're manufacturing distance because he looks like the shot now rofl

Anyway this is pretty clear cut at this point Walrein is just reflexively posting

FH and Moody are unlikely partners because they've been going after each other for quite a while (unlike you're claimed 'distance' Walrein lmao)

I wanna see Asek weigh in because I don't recall a final shots list but tbqh I haven't read recent pages very closely; who do you think the shot is here if you don't agree with me that it's pretty clearly walrein based on the above (or since DLE started idling like way back when)

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i wasn't going to bother replying to this because there's honestly not a ton i CAN reply to

but the condescending tone with which it's delivered pisses me off enough that i'm doing it anyways

so allow me to retort.

a. it's not an OMGUS if your initial push on me is awful - which it was. your entire read on me seems to be "he idled and now i think he's distancing", which is fine as the icing on a cake, but nobody wants to eat a plateful of frosting and that's all you've given us. is there NOTHING in my posts that's even worth considering?

b. yeah, i've only been fighting with him today. because i've only been PLAYING today. when like a quarter of my posts, maybe more, are fighting with former hope, i think that counts for something, even if my total postcount is in the toilet.
b^2. in no universe does me bussing former hope give me enough towncred to survive to endgame. bussing with 2 mafia left is a valid strategy if and only if the bus is convincing enough and the busser towny enough that it gets that busser to the endgame. i'm an idler and my attack on former hope came at the eleventh hour. if it's a bus, it's a really shitty one, and i like to think your opinion of me as a player is higher than that

c. i don't see how "reflexively posting" makes me scum. like, at all. if anything, i'd think that an ability to be comfortable in the thread and post thoughts as they come to me would be perceived as town behavior. but hey, what do i know?

d. i think i agree that moody and former are unlikely partners. the snipe at me was unnecessary

e. quit pocketing asek. also apparently nobody believes me that dle idles as town too, and if nothing else i know he was traveling recently. but whatever, i have to push that narrative regardless of my alignment. it's just frustrating that the "iDLE = scum" thing has become so accepted.

f. dude, there's absolutely 0 reason to be a dick about this. maybe you thought it would make your post look more convincing, maybe you just felt like being a bit of an asshole, whatever, but let's drop the condescending bullshit, ok? it's a game. we're all friends here. let's at least treat each other with respect

i'm really upset that i had to type this post
 
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