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NOC WikiMafia 2 Game Thread [Day 4]

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Pulsar or a fairy
Genisu and Des
2 of Phoopes Airc bliz

OR

Pulsar or a fairy
Phoopes airc and bliz

I think this is the rough scunteams I see rn

So I’m considering swapping into phoopes airc bliz group as a vote
 
Crazy how half of Tommy's POE voted for Bluedoom instead of Saber

Crazy how DBD, who was trying extremely hard to save Bluedoom and then just barely missed the lynch D3, is not in that POE

Sorry I'm being snippy lol I just think there's a lot of obvious evidence for DBD scum and against several of the people on Tommy's list (a fairy? Really?). You can handwave a lot based on reads but at a certain point you just have to accept the facts.

I would also point out that we have seen three people on the bluedoom wagon flip, and all three were town. There is a monty hall thing going on here but still.
 
To be clear I'm not saying "it's a fact that DBD is scum" but like I think we should be seriously considering voting dynamics around the one scum lynch we've had so far. It's the strongest evidence we have and ignoring it has gotten us nowhere
 
Blizihguh said:
Crazy how half of Tommy's POE voted for Bluedoom instead of Saber

Crazy how DBD, who was trying extremely hard to save Bluedoom and then just barely missed the lynch D3, is not in that POE

Sorry I'm being snippy lol I just think there's a lot of obvious evidence for DBD scum and against several of the people on Tommy's list (a fairy? Really?). You can handwave a lot based on reads but at a certain point you just have to accept the facts.

I would also point out that we have seen three people on the bluedoom wagon flip, and all three were town. There is a monty hall thing going on here but still.
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oh yeah DBD did do that, that's one more thing to add to my reasons of DBD is mafia
 
Peum said:
bluedoom (10) - realiti, des121, Tommy, liquidrelief, Psy, ShyPebble, AirC, a fairy, HydrogenHydreigon, Peum
saber (7) - pulsar512b, Blizihguh, phoopes, genisu, bluedoom, Flandrs, Dead by Daylight

on yellow people voting saber, on blue people voting DBD and on orange people voting Liquid and on red dead people
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Dead by Daylight said:
don’t agree with pulsar wagon either but interested as to why you are uninterested in the genisu solve
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I wouldnt defend genisu to death, I did push him last day since he's totally acting like scum. But his push seems too factional, there's a specific faction (Idk if town or mafia) who is pushing genisu, id like to move to ppl who are being pushed aside to bring the narratives of pulsar and genisu being mafia (AirC, Blizihguh, Flandrs, Des, DBD and AFairy) from those ppl, the ones who I suspect the most are AirC, Blizihguh, Flandrs and Des. and by process of elimination im only voting out Blizih today if its with a tommy lynch, Des is still a invest claim as useless as she might be, Flandrs is siding a lot with Tommy, so that by definition doesnt make it a neutral vote. So AirC by process of elimination would be my vote.
 
Peum said:
I wouldnt defend genisu to death, I did push him last day since he's totally acting like scum. But his push seems too factional, there's a specific faction (Idk if town or mafia) who is pushing genisu, id like to move to ppl who are being pushed aside to bring the narratives of pulsar and genisu being mafia (AirC, Blizihguh, Flandrs, Des, DBD and AFairy) from those ppl, the ones who I suspect the most are AirC, Blizihguh, Flandrs and Des. and by process of elimination im only voting out Blizih today if its with a tommy lynch, Des is still a invest claim as useless as she might be, Flandrs is siding a lot with Tommy, so that by definition doesnt make it a neutral vote. So AirC by process of elimination would be my vote.
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I mean.... If the town faction is pushing genisu and the scum faction is pushing against, that's a good sign.....?
 
Peum said:
It could be any of the two factions, that's why I dont like it. Feels too factional, and with how last day's wagons went. I dont feel like siding today with the people who're pushing the wagons.
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I just don't understand this logic at all. If there's a wagon on scum it will be factional almost automatically, bc scum know who scum is and will push against it if possible.
 
Blizihguh said:
I just don't understand this logic at all. If there's a wagon on scum it will be factional almost automatically, bc scum know who scum is and will push against it if possible.
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It goes both ways, a wagon on town can be created by the same principle, mafia pushing someone and people who think the same pushing against it. The problem is that we have no real proof to determine if it was actually a Towny being suspicious of a sus person or a Mafia creating a push and some teammates helping it. By the doom votes we know that mafia is playing it smart and dividing their votes, so we cant even trust that. A scum push would be great, I am not defending genisu by any means. But I think we dont gain anything by removing Genisu from the equation this day. And the chances of it being the first case are too great.

Dead by Daylight said:
fair enough I suppose. what do you think of a psy/tommy pairing
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ngl this has stumped me from the beginning, I have no idea what to think of them being a pairing. If they're a pairing the only sign they've shown was the d2 "battle" they had, which quickly turned into nothing and psy never spoke of it again. If anything we cant even accuse of them preparing something in the mafia chat since they actually have a secret chat we cant see
 
Peum said:
It goes both ways, a wagon on town can be created by the same principle, mafia pushing someone and people who think the same pushing against it. The problem is that we have no real proof to determine if it was actually a Towny being suspicious of a sus person or a Mafia creating a push and some teammates helping it. By the doom votes we know that mafia is playing it smart and dividing their votes, so we cant even trust that. A scum push would be great, I am not defending genisu by any means. But I think we dont gain anything by removing Genisu from the equation this day. And the chances of it being the first case are too great.


ngl this has stumped me from the beginning, I have no idea what to think of them being a pairing. If they're a pairing the only sign they've shown was the d2 "battle" they had, which quickly turned into nothing and psy never spoke of it again. If anything we cant even accuse of them preparing something in the mafia chat since they actually have a secret chat we cant see
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Two questions.
1. How do we know that mafia are dividing their votes? I mean I think it's pretty likely that one mafia is on doom, but I've been saying this whole time that we should expect most of the mafia to be on Saber! So far none of the flips have contradicted that and AFAIK there is no other evidence to contradict it. Really just feels like people are ignoring this possibility, which makes me feel like mafia is trying to distract from it.
2. I get that town wagons can be forced. But unless mafia are bussing hard, a mafia wagon is always going to be factional. A town wagon may or may not be factional. So I don't see how your logic could ever arrive at a scum lynch! If you want a non-factional vote, what's stopping scum from just party line opposing any scum vote?
 
Blizihguh said:
Two questions.
1. How do we know that mafia are dividing their votes? I mean I think it's pretty likely that one mafia is on doom, but I've been saying this whole time that we should expect most of the mafia to be on Saber! So far none of the flips have contradicted that and AFAIK there is no other evidence to contradict it. Really just feels like people are ignoring this possibility, which makes me feel like mafia is trying to distract from it.
2. I get that town wagons can be forced. But unless mafia are bussing hard, a mafia wagon is always going to be factional. A town wagon may or may not be factional. So I don't see how your logic could ever arrive at a scum lynch! If you want a non-factional vote, what's stopping scum from just party line opposing any scum vote?
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1- I will be dividing the votes on the tommy faction and the Psy faction, tommy is yellow and psy is blue, white will be for those people that are generally neutral or that have been accused by both sides

bluedoom (10) - realiti, des121, Tommy, liquidrelief, Psy, ShyPebble, AirC, a fairy, HydrogenHydreigon, Peum
saber (7) - pulsar512b, Blizihguh, phoopes, genisu, bluedoom, Flandrs, Dead by Daylight

As you can see, independently of which faction is each colour, you cant deny that the votes are divided. I am not saying that every person that I coloured is town or mafia. But im saying that the general way they play of people that are coloured is still divided between the two votes.

2- This is not a way that you should play the entire game. Its a way to see one day and deciding to stray from the general consensus if the last day was awful or horrible, sometimes taking a shot in the dark and hitting is better than being guided by a light that manipulates you the entire game.
 
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