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[HydrogenHydreigon]

HydrogenHydreigon hi I am now into the 'reading portion' of the game

currently you're being voted as the most vanilla option out of the 'rb-y' claims

do you have anything to say to this outside of coping over being d1 vote

if i'm being voted as the most "simple" of the differing claims then broil should be botted by the same logic
if it's because of apricity cc our roles are arguably more different than the other two cc's, plus apricity didn't mention his role supposedly cc'd mine until quite a bit after we both claimed
if it's because my role is the most scummy then look at bigvivor maf where a few people were pushed for the reason that their roles seem scummy- all of them turned out to be town. Multiple with a seemingly town-only role were mafia.

even though a lot of people think the ccs are bad votes, do you disagree?

i think the me/apricity and you/celever and bad votes 2day but ok with the broil/drookez one

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

botted

booted*

 

[M2H]

how come?

I think its reasonable to criticize the motivation behind claiming but still try to reap the benefit of it. Whats done is done.

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

broil should be botted by the same logic

this seems a little agressive lol, i'm trying to say that if i was sussed for this reason there are other people with "simple" roles that are in the cc group, there is no reason that i should be the only one on the chopping block

 

[Duskfall98]

also im not sure if this falls under omgus or something cause im not sure exactly what that is other than voting people cause they vote you but reading over i do kinda feel like harunos push on me was somewhat opportunistic and also sort of contradictory? haruno criticizes the logic of the massclaim and argues that it has scum intent but also votes the inexperienced cced player and believes that its a definite vote for town and yet still maintains that the massclaim was scummy and at that point i cant really follow the logic for this reasoning. i also get a weird vibe from haruno switching their vote to me (from tbz???? why was he voted in the first place) immediately after hal pushes hydro as a vote instead

both alignments omgus anyways, people use it as a way to say "oh I caught mafia" but town often finds the people who push them scummy - it makes sense

not saying which is happening here but it's fine if you think someone pushing you is actually scum as town, and often people do because if you are town, then you know that guy is pushing town!

 

[Duskfall98]

I think haruno is bad for other reasons but this logic is really weak

I actually was impressed with the post, if Psy is town it's good if he's mafia it's a great post, but let's hope he's not so good at mafia alignment yet :)

vote haruno

 

[Duskfall98]

if i'm being voted as the most "simple" of the differing claims then broil should be botted by the same logic
if it's because of apricity cc our roles are arguably more different than the other two cc's, plus apricity didn't mention his role supposedly cc'd mine until quite a bit after we both claimed
if it's because my role is the most scummy then look at bigvivor maf where a few people were pushed for the reason that their roles seem scummy- all of them turned out to be town. Multiple with a seemingly town-only role were mafia.


i think the me/apricity and you/celever and bad votes 2day but ok with the broil/drookez one

doctor is a way more important town role that mafia absolutely will have to shoot at some point regardless of reads in thread, they can't even wifom it it's just a terrible idea to leave the doc alive

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

doctor is a way more important town role that mafia absolutely will have to shoot at some point regardless of reads in thread, they can't even wifom it it's just a terrible idea to leave the doc alive

so i'm being voted because the roles in the other ccs are way more important
what.
ngl i'm very irked at this point

 

[OM]

so i'm being voted because the roles in the other ccs are way more important
what.
ngl i'm very irked at this point

if you disagree like.... show why they should be voted over you

 

[Duskfall98]

so i'm being voted because the roles in the other ccs are way more important
what.
ngl i'm very irked at this point

idt it's fair either I want you to play, I think you'll make it and don't get flashbacks from last game please your vote is not likely imo and definitely not a foregone conclusion

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

i think it's likely that apricity's role was intended as an asceticizer and that extra roleblocker bit was added for flavor
like who would reject an protection offer
if not roleblocker is a weaker power role that could probably appear on town twice
by all means apricity technically did not even cc me, i have mentioned this multiple times our roles are very different and shouldn't be considered as counterclaiming each other

 

[OM]

i think the me/apricity and you/celever and bad votes 2day but ok with the broil/drookez one

you mind going more depth on this point?

you've got like 5-6 hours I'm heading to bed

 

[Duskfall98]

i think it's likely that apricity's role was intended as an asceticizer and that extra roleblocker bit was added for flavor
like who would reject an protection offer
if not roleblocker is a weaker power role that could probably appear on town twice
by all means apricity technically did not even cc me, i have mentioned this multiple times our roles are very different and shouldn't be considered as counterclaiming each other

yeah they aren't direct ccs

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

if you disagree like.... show why they should be voted over you

Roleblocker is a weak power role, this is true and I won't argue it. However because it is weaker it's probably more likely to appear more than once on town. We know that because rolecop/doctor are so powerful, the counterclaims for them at least have one mafia. This is not true for roleblocker because it is a weaker role, and a miss would be more likely if a roleblocker was voted.

you mind going more depth on this point?

you've got like 5-6 hours I'm heading to bed

me/apricity - I heavily think this is t/t, because I know i'm town and idt apricity would come up with such a complicated role as their fakeclaim. Also think that if we vote in this group it's more likely to be a miss, explained above.
celever/psy - These two were two of my trs before the counterclaiming, so I don't want to vote either out just yet. Thinking on it more it's entirely possible neither are lying but one is a mafia rolecop (which is apparently possible) but I don't strongly lean to one side and want more information to come to light first.
broil/drookez - Broil could be a new scum player fake claiming a classic role only for drookez to actually have the role. Drookez's more complicated claim makes them look slightly better but they haven't been producing a lot of helpful content. I felt like this group was the most likely for people to come to a consensus and hit.

 

[M2H]

this is really random but Broil's posting style made me think they played mafia on Pokemon Showdown. Is that true?

 

[Duskfall98]

this frustration actually feels towny to me from HH btw, and they have a right to be frustrated anyways

t

 

[M2H]

this frustration actually feels towny to me from HH btw, and they have a right to be frustrated anyways

t

Do you know what HH would play like if they were scum, or was last game their first first?

 

[M2H]

this frustration actually feels towny to me from HH btw, and they have a right to be frustrated anyways

t

in any case I am inclined to agree, but isn't the point behind voting them that it would be disastrous if they were.

 

[M2H]

if they were scum that is

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

I sorta feel like drookez last game

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

Do you know what HH would play like if they were scum, or was last game their first first?

I played irl and on ps (which I feel like is where i've remember shia's username from) before but that was like 4-5 years ago and i don't remember any specifics

 

[Duskfall98]

Do you know what HH would play like if they were scum, or was last game their first first?

last game was their actual first, they were oming me pregame about what mafia is etc

that being said it feels like HH genuinely belives he's being dealt an injustice being pushed like this 2 games in a row, I believe this comes from town in MOST scenarios

that being said I am also bias because I just want to let him get to d2, idt it's a huge ask when there's a big Poe to let this guy just have a chance to play the game, he's contributing now too and I believe he will help create content later too; this game has a risk of breaking down into mechanic only content

 

[Duskfall98]

if they were scum that is

no because they have claimed so we can literally just ask where he targetted

HydrogenHydreigon is your target informed they are blocked?

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

plz dont vote me just want to enjoy the game

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

no because they have claimed so we can literally just ask where he targetted

HydrogenHydreigon is your target informed they are blocked?

i don't think so, i'm not loud