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NOC Working Title Mafia (Game Thread) [Mafia Wins]
- Thread starter ImaginaryNeon
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i am town
Please don't let the Joey wagon fail for third time in a row
skippergamez THIS is what you guys should have caught. joey is a viable wagon/target every day of the game and ecat dances around scumreading him while always providing an alternative target for himself to end on. this is literally the most basic scum distancing strategy possible, to have your outted teammate in your bottom tier of scumreading but to ALWAYS have a villager you suspect just a liiiiittle bit more to justify not actually voting your teammate, until their wagon is inevitable.
when m2h pushes ecat on going onto jalmont when he "wants joey," ecat comes up with a convoluted fear about vote negator and ties and other people making 'weird votes' to create a tie - but since the vote is randomized between the two, and not no-vote, upon ties, it shouldn't really matter to ecat which one flips.
no, final wagons don't tell the entire story, which is why MU has means of looking at prior votecounts as well as a list of all votes and what count they put a wagon at when they were made. ecat is directly contributing to the joey wagon failing 3 days in a row yet after joey flips scum, not a single person brought this up.
the problem is that villagers on smogon are not looking at prior votes, or lack thereof, AT ALL. there is no 'town leader' in a NOC unless the town is bad. even an innocent child may be host confirmed as town but they have no mechanical information to lead from. the problem is villagers on smogon will afk 75% of the day phase and let one active scumboi sweettalk a villager who IS in the thread and is desperately trying to find someone to talk to and solve with. stop leaving your fellow townspeople on a desert island.
also those final wagons you did post, the d1 and d2 townflips are almost entirely voted by other villagers. yeah that's also smogon town's problem y'all need to stop the town-on-town violence.
my favorite part of this game had to have been when genisu led a wagon on me convinced he was right and then just ended up killing me and dying at night himself
GG
Well played EC. I suspected you were not town based on your prior meta, but I also townread you in my read through. Catfries was a good kill.
Honestly a good post, would've solved this game
My favorite part of this game was having fun with friends 
Can we get some positivity in the chat
Can we get some positivity in the chat
hyhy you are the goatMy favorite part of this game was having fun with friends
I know I've been a little whiny recently and this post is going to come off probably as uber whiny and I'm going to come across as making it all about me so I apologize and honestly I don't even care about losing or what people were really doing overall because it's all a learning experience and what not but my god it is so frustrating 3x NOC games in a row where I just get rolled for what I perceive to be extremely poor reasoning.
actually i don't even care about getting rolled and it was probably fine that i died anyways but seriously I'm getting voted based off the clear town's hero read when basically no one else is scumreading me. and it didn't even make sense! seriously, who tf actually thought it would make any sense for me to kill alice to set up and misvote between joey and m2h??? why would i or literally anyone do that. and then no one wanted to talk about that. that's kind of my frustration with the lack of reading comprehension, like it feels like people say things and people see it and go "interesting. anyways moving on" and just never come back to that. it's very hard to engage with the game when people just bypass words for vibes i guess.
and then everyone who's like "yeah I'm cool with jalmont" goes "actually nah I'm not cool with him LOCK IN VOTE RIGHT NOW" and there's hours until deadline. sigh. at least i played well in the graveyard.
next game I'm just not going to post at all until day 3.
fwiw I didn't really like this setup. I'm pretty tired of 3-aligntment NOCs, it's impossible for the 3p and just adds too much randomness and variability that's uninteresting. I already expressed earlier that the randing ties thing is weird and frankly, the game being decided by RNG two days in a row is IMO not very good design. Vote lock was cool though although I am not sure most people made good use of it lol.
gg
actually i don't even care about getting rolled and it was probably fine that i died anyways but seriously I'm getting voted based off the clear town's hero read when basically no one else is scumreading me. and it didn't even make sense! seriously, who tf actually thought it would make any sense for me to kill alice to set up and misvote between joey and m2h??? why would i or literally anyone do that. and then no one wanted to talk about that. that's kind of my frustration with the lack of reading comprehension, like it feels like people say things and people see it and go "interesting. anyways moving on" and just never come back to that. it's very hard to engage with the game when people just bypass words for vibes i guess.
and then everyone who's like "yeah I'm cool with jalmont" goes "actually nah I'm not cool with him LOCK IN VOTE RIGHT NOW" and there's hours until deadline. sigh. at least i played well in the graveyard.
next game I'm just not going to post at all until day 3.
fwiw I didn't really like this setup. I'm pretty tired of 3-aligntment NOCs, it's impossible for the 3p and just adds too much randomness and variability that's uninteresting. I already expressed earlier that the randing ties thing is weird and frankly, the game being decided by RNG two days in a row is IMO not very good design. Vote lock was cool though although I am not sure most people made good use of it lol.
gg
I think I played relatively Ok this game, deadline kinda fucked me up though, honestly should have considered claiming wolf at that point
Adding on to the goatmont
My thoughts on the game
1. This game was probably the worst game I’ve played on this site not due to any hosting issues, but of the sheer incompetence of a good number of the player base making it extremely hard to win as town. Mods we need ranked games I’ve been saying this for a while.
2. The sheer amount of throws on both side is crazy, with town pr claiming power role immediately, another noob scum reading the dude because he agreed with him on a read, ecat claimed scum at least 5 times lol it was so obv. And finally the early inactivity of the newer players makes me think there should be a reasonable minimum post count. It was also very frustrating talking to ecat due to me assuming his numerous mistakes in logic were just cuz he was new. Town should be able to assume mental competency.
3. My thoughts on my play, I actually thought I did fine in my reads in general if anyone has suggestions I’d be glad to hear them. M2h making an ill fated tier list that made me immediately hard at him for attempting to pocket the newbie town pr. Then wagon if dbd for numerous stupid posts. Getting shot by saber in night LOL.
P.s : I think Flanders has gotten a bit better at making his town game look like his scum game. He is now a dick on both alignments instead of just town
My thoughts on the game
1. This game was probably the worst game I’ve played on this site not due to any hosting issues, but of the sheer incompetence of a good number of the player base making it extremely hard to win as town. Mods we need ranked games I’ve been saying this for a while.
2. The sheer amount of throws on both side is crazy, with town pr claiming power role immediately, another noob scum reading the dude because he agreed with him on a read, ecat claimed scum at least 5 times lol it was so obv. And finally the early inactivity of the newer players makes me think there should be a reasonable minimum post count. It was also very frustrating talking to ecat due to me assuming his numerous mistakes in logic were just cuz he was new. Town should be able to assume mental competency.
3. My thoughts on my play, I actually thought I did fine in my reads in general if anyone has suggestions I’d be glad to hear them. M2h making an ill fated tier list that made me immediately hard at him for attempting to pocket the newbie town pr. Then wagon if dbd for numerous stupid posts. Getting shot by saber in night LOL.
P.s : I think Flanders has gotten a bit better at making his town game look like his scum game. He is now a dick on both alignments instead of just town
Time to get hard stuck gold
Pls don’t do this oml new players need to learn how to actually play the game
There has been a cycle of negativity in recent NOCs so I appreciate some of the posts being constructive as well as Hydro's post. Let's stay that way and not bash people for not playing to what someone assumes is playing correctly. This is a game that can be played in a lot of different ways, each player has their skill set and each game is different so it looks way easier from outside than when you are playing. Also some people need to drop the ego a bit and be more respectful, calling someone trash on discord should not be a thing.
I feel like players are improving, you can see Ecat being more confident and playing better than in previous games for example or even in the same game Catfries really improved later in the game accurately telling that wolf can't be voted out for example, that's a really good read on the game state.
On a personal note I feel like I read correctly the game state and had 5 solid townreads but I failed to thin out the POE before dying on N1 so there is a lot of room to improve in that regard. Correctly voting scum on D1 was new for me, a shame it was too late. This game was the first game I was scumread by so many people but never had a single vote on me so I was surprised. I guess I was in danger on d2. Please don't kill me N1 again!
I feel like players are improving, you can see Ecat being more confident and playing better than in previous games for example or even in the same game Catfries really improved later in the game accurately telling that wolf can't be voted out for example, that's a really good read on the game state.
On a personal note I feel like I read correctly the game state and had 5 solid townreads but I failed to thin out the POE before dying on N1 so there is a lot of room to improve in that regard. Correctly voting scum on D1 was new for me, a shame it was too late. This game was the first game I was scumread by so many people but never had a single vote on me so I was surprised. I guess I was in danger on d2. Please don't kill me N1 again!
There is no way this happens.
they can learn to play the game without ruining the game for others, at least making newbie lobbies would give them the chance to play?(and thin the queue out!!!)
We do not have enough players to have 2 seperate games at once.
2 smaller good games is better than 1 awful big game, and you could have OC and NOC running at the same time with NOC with ranked OC anyone can
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh