Punchshroom
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Well isn't that what 'preconceived' means, like you know, based on opinion. Also I don't see how there was any hostility on tennisace's part; he was just stating facts about how Ninetales shouldn't really be compared to something as different as Swellow. It would be like comparing, oh say Mismagius to Sceptile, or something very random along those lines.It's not a preconceived notion lol. I've used both and find that swellow tends to be more useful then ninetales. I've tried tales with multiple sets and kind of like a wierd one but I don't simply don't find them to be on the same level that's all XD It was just a comment based on my personal opinion on the matter...
See, I believe what Leer is asking is if Swellow and Ninetales pull off a similiar enough task to be properly compared to (ex: compare Throh to Gurdurr, Crustle to former NU Omastar...). Swellow excels at threatening offensive teams while Ninetales does great at threatening bulkier teams. That is very different to what the other does; a better comparison would be to compare Ninetales with other Pokemon that threaten bulkier teams, such as Samurott and Magmortar.I feel like you need to take into account how good mons are in comparison to each other to properly order them in a list of viability. Swellow can put in so much work in far more situations then ninetales is what I found from my experience with it. But they are both great mons and deserve high rankings.
That said, I can see where you're coming from when determining a Poke's usefulness in the current meta: if offensive teams are more popular, Swellow sees better use (which is probably the case in your experience); but if bulkier/balanced teams are more popular, that means Ninetales's usefulness would improve. Currently the meta doesn't seem very biased toward either playstyle, so it is hard to say which sweeper is more favored in the meta. As for me, I hesitate to put Ninetales in the same rank as Magmortar, but it should definitely rise to B at least.