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XY UU Viability Ranking Thread

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For the record, I've changed my mind on Nidoking and think it should be A, mostly because Megahorn is awesome and makes it not outclassed by Nidoqueen.

With regards to Mega Aerodactyl, I think it should be A- Rank. 4MSS is ass, and stops it from being as effective as it wants to, when it wants to run Stone Edge / Aerial Ace / Aqua Tail / Earthquake / Crunch / Taunt / Roost / Defog / Stealth Rock. When looking at the A rank Pokemon, it really doesn't stack up. Nidoking is a wallbreaker that doesn't really have trouble with moveslots, is stronger, and is more threatening to defensive cores. Forretress and Umbreon are better supporting Pokemon that can do their job without trouble and do more for a team. Suicune, Darmanitan, and Honchkrow are metagame defining threats that you need to have a strong answer for, or you will be swept. In contrast, most teams can handle Mega Aerodactyl, either with a scarfer, or just with a pretty physically bulky Pokemon. While it has the ability to threaten many walls in theory, in practice it has to pick, and while that's also nice for it, it limits its options and how threatening it is. Really, the main difference is that with an A rank Pokemon, you need to have a specific strong answer to it. Mega Aerodactyl has too many answers for that to be the case. It's easier to counter, and it fits better in A-. It still is a big threat and offers great support, it's just not as big of a threat.
 
(Noob on the froums, help would be greatly appreciated).

Mega would be fine in A-, As it takes up your mega slot, and greatly needs to boost of an item, to really start knocking down the opposing team down.

Tough claws are not even really that good of an ability, as the move it most uses (stone edge), is unaffected, and as a result it cant hit quite hard enough to be in the A rank, but that being said, its pretty damn fast, and its attack is still often enough for mopping up weakened recoil sweeper, like honchkrow or darmanitan.


Hydreigon are mega houndoom both make Chandelure´s life a living hell, and the insane ammount of Knock off´s dont help either, A- is still fine, for the destruction 145 SpA can cause.
 
jmcdavid said:
I'd like to nominate Scolipede for A Rank. It was stuck in NU for the most part in Black and White because it mediocre stats, and its Abilities were Swarm, Poison Point, and for its Hidden Ability, Quick Feet. But it still was known as one of the fastest Spikes users in the game.

Now, with X and Y, its Hidden Ability has been changed to Speed Boost, the same Hidden Ability that allowed Blaziken to forge new ground as the only Starter Pokemon to be banned to Ubers. I have a feeling that Scolipede might be viable for UU, either for rapid use of Spikes, or to sweep after a Swords Dance boost.
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jmcdavid said:
I'd like to nominate Scolipede for A Rank. It was stuck in NU for the most part in Black and White because it mediocre stats, and its Abilities were Swarm, Poison Point, and for its Hidden Ability, Quick Feet. But it still was known as one of the fastest Spikes users in the game.

Now, with X and Y, its Hidden Ability has been changed to Speed Boost, the same Hidden Ability that allowed Blaziken to forge new ground as the only Starter Pokemon to be banned to Ubers. I have a feeling that Scolipede might be viable for UU, either for rapid use of Spikes, or to sweep after a Swords Dance boost.
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yeah if scolipede was still in uu...
 
I think mega aero and chandy should both stay a rank.

Mega aero is very good at it has the speed and power to hit hard, but it seriously has problems with nature and movesets. If it runs adamant nature over jolly, mega mane can ko it. If it wants to boost with hone claws, it loses coverage and recovery in roost. But,bif its able to nab the boost, it can destroy most teams, and the frailty hurtz a lot.

Chandy has been very overlooked thiz gen (i have a good rmt coming once crawdaunt goes back to bl!) Due to the knock off and dark buff. But, chandy actually improved this gen as well. Shadow ball is no longer resisted by steel types. Defog helps a lot. The bane of its existence snorlax and umbreon have dropped in usage thanks to competition from florges who cant do much with moonblast. As a scarfer its pretty meh, but it is a fantastic wall breaker with subsplit set. While we do have hydreigon and houndoom in the tier, chandy has that juicy 145 sp atk and nearly flawless coverage. While it is by no means a s rank poke, one cannot sit there and not prepare for chandy in some way shape or form...
 
The reason why Chandy is overlooked is because we now have Mega Houndoom, who is faster and has Nasty Plot to boost its already ridiculuous SpA to sky-high levels/Flame Charge to boost speed. Dark and Ghost are very similar typings offensively, but Dark has the edge of resisting Sucker Punch, the most common priority in UU.

The only set that Chandy has over Houndoom is SubSplit, which takes a bit of prediction to play around and thusly is less preferred. Not saying it is bad, but it takes skill to use.
 
Okay so then you've got Aerodactyl done and want more information around Chandelure.
I guess we don't take Crawdaunt into account as it's beeing tested, so therefore ill keep it out off this. So Chandelure is basically a nuke, and it works just about the same as Heracross, Victini, Darmanitan etc. It's a wallbreaker with great STAB's, tho most people avoid using Chandelure because off it's common weaknesses and that it's "walled" by Hydreigon, but I think people underestimate it. Base 145 SAtk is nothing to joke with even when you resist it, especially stuff like Hydreigon and Mega Houndoom which usually don't have ways off healing, this means they will get worn down. Theres not much really countering Chandelure at all, both Hydreigon and Mega Doom can't switch into Modest Fire Blast twice (Houndoom can't switch into Shadow Ball twice with rocks up, and not at all if not mega), not even Florges can wall it, the only true counter to Chandelure is Specially defensive/Assault Vest Snorlax. Chandelure doesn't even need other attacking moves than Fire Blast + Shadow Ball, which means it can easely run WoW + Trick on it's specs set because it's most common switch-ins bar Hydra and Mega Doom is Snorlax and Mega Aero which it can easely cripple with these moves. I feel that people are focusing way too much on it's flaws than it's pros, Chandelure has great utility and extreme power and shouldn't be underestimated at all, tho there are common ways to deal with it and it can be hard to switch in, I really feel it fits the profit of an A rank just because off it's utility and sheer power.
 

Chandelure is moving down to B+ rank, while Mega Aerodactyl is staying at A rank.

The next two Pokemon up for discussion are Mega Manectric and Kyurem.
 
i sincerely hope people don't think mega manectric is a tier. yes, it has great special attack and especially speed and a good ability, but that's basically it. it has a really bleh movepool, since it loses to swampert and co. if it runs hp ice which wouldn't matter normally except for the fact that hydreigon is in the tier, making life for it even more harder. it's also easy to deal with as it has trouble with florg and umb, as it always has, but now that the other counters are rising in usage and viability (kyurem, snorlax, mega amph, rotom-h, spdef hippo), and while it can volt switch into a check, it's still easily worn down, not to mention that even with intimidate it has mediocre defenses and can be 2hko'd by nearly any decent hit. i'd say a-, hell, even b+ is good for it.

i don't have enough experience with kyurem other than the subroost to give my thoughts on it but i know it checks a lot of shit pretty well, has good coverage, and fucking wrecks with web support but that's all i know
 
dinotrek27 said:
Hey hey hey hold up why is Chandelure moving all the way to B+ it was a general consensus that it's a solid A- rank poke!
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It wasn't talked about enough so he just based it on what he saw (which wasn't much) so he put it at B+ cause no one uses it enough. By that logic Florges and Blastoise should be S rank and Kyurem should be C-.
 
did you listen to the video? Limitless said he had to go off of what he saw / a bit of theorymon, but he goes more indepth in explaining why he put Chand at B+.

Paraphrasing here, but iirc he said something like "not many people talking about Chandelure is perhaps indicative that not many ppl have used it and it's maybe not as good". But then he goes on to talk about other things like comparisons to A- pokemon, newly introduced pokemon that wreck chandelure (hydreigon), how there are other really good switches into florges, etc.

Chand isn't in B+ just because no one uses it enough.
 
panamaxis said:
did you listen to the video? Limitless said he had to go off of what he saw / a bit of theorymon, but he goes more indepth in explaining why he put Chand at B+.

Paraphrasing here, but iirc he said something like "not many people talking about Chandelure is perhaps indicative that not many ppl have used it and it's maybe not as good". But then he goes on to talk about other things like comparisons to A- pokemon, newly introduced pokemon that wreck chandelure (hydreigon), how there are other really good switches into florges, etc.

Chand isn't in B+ just because no one uses it enough.
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Fair enough but still stuff like Mega-Doom any Hydreigon fear HP fighting which is fairly common on the choice sets as it 2HKOES them and both of them don't like switching into stab moves coming BASE 145 SPECIAL ATTACK as it leaves Mega-Doom with even less health to pull of a sweep and Hydreigon less switch ins to cause havoc and the life orb set has to roost more frequently or risk killing itself through recoil. The life orb mixed set doesn't like will-o-wisp also. Defensive counters like Florges and Umbreon can't switch into Specs Fire Blast and hate the trick scarf and subsplit sets. In fact Florges gives Chandy a free switchin as Chandy resists Fairy. Stuff like Assault vest Snorlax hate the subsplit, trick scarf, trick specs and will-o-wisp sets which are still in general pretty good. So in general there are no safe switchins to Chandelure at all! I agree however that the rock weakness, knock off weakness and poor speed hold Chandelure back a fair bit and make it easily revenged which what should make it a A- but no further than that
 
Kyurem should stay A Rank and Mega Manectric should move down to A- rank.

MegaMan has really only one usable set, and that's T-Bolt, Volt Switch, Flamethrower/Overheat, and HP Ice/Grass. (I guess that's technically four different movesets, but they're not TOO different.) However, like Mega Houndoom, Honchkrow, Nidoking, bleh bleh bleh, Mega Manectric excels at doing its job as it is a great VolTurn partner, it has really decent coverage with its small moveset, and it has 135 Base Speed to outrun the entire unboosted tier, bar Mega Aerodactyl, to pick off weakened targets with that coverage. (If you're using MegaMan to just flat out kill things, I don't think you're using it correctly.) However, as Bouffalant mentioned previously, it has really mediocre defenses even with Intimidate (please don't bring up the "PSEUDO BASE 130 DEFENSE" stuff, it's not a great argument for its bulk), it can be easily revenged by priority and ~base 90 scarfmons, and MegaMan has been negatively impacted by how the metagame has adjusted, so it finds itself needing to remove a few extra threats to fulfill its role properly.

If it weren't for Hydreigon's (triumphant) return to the UU metagame, I would have considered nominating Kyurem for A+. Unlike MegaMan, Kyurem has much more versatility and bulk, and is pretty much uncounterable until Kyurem's moveset is fully revealed since there are just so many sets Kyurem can viably run with 125/130/90/130/90/95 stats and its movepool. However, what really holds Kyurem back is the fact that although it has an excellent offensive typing, its defensive typing gives the precise reason why so many players shy away from this thing in the first place (Seriously, why does it not have UU usage?). However, with a little Defog support and some decently smart playing, Kyurem is truly capable of causing terror and destruction on the opponent's team.
 
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Vouching for Kyurem and megaman to both stay A-Rank,

Kyurem has god-stats by UU standards, has great bulk, and nicely balanced offenses. not much bad to say, except it wishes it lacked that fighting/strealth rock.

MegaMan is THE best voltswitcher in the game, his coverage hits really hard, and every scarfer that outspeeds are physical, which means they are going to hate taking several rounds of intermidate, and fits the description of A-rank to a tea.
 
MegaMan for A-.

MegaMan is still a very good Pivot with Volt Switch + Intimidate. However, that's all it can really do. Not only is MegaMan a painfully one-dimensional Pokemon, but it doesn't really excel in his role as an offensive pivot. It's lack of power (to some degree) and bad defensive stats hamper it as a pivot of any form. Furthermore, because there really is only one effective form of MegaMan, it's really easy to play around it. It does pick off some threats really well with a Base 135 Speed, so that gives it a significant niche in the metagame.
 
So ill try rank both pokemon tho ive never tested Kyurem in UU and also just been playing a few matches with MegaMan, so this will mostly be about how I think they work in the meta based on knowledge and not in practice.

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I'll start up with MegaMan as thats the one ive tested and faced most of those two, and it's the pokemon of those two I have most knowledge off. So MegaMan is agood pokemon, but I really find it to be "weak" and underwhelming, yes it can come in and force out physical attackers, but it can never switch in even with intimidate. It's also extremely one dimensional and easely revenge killed/forced out which means just how the meta plays now it's easy to take advantage off it. Yes MegaMan has nice pros like great speed, volt switch and decent coverage, but thats about it. If you compare it to any off the pokemon in A rank (thats already been discussed) it just doesn't follow up, it doesn't have the sheer power of Darmanitan or the incredible wallbreaking capability of Nidoking and Honchkrow. So by my impresions and thoughts about MegaMan in the meta atm, it does have some good pros in forcing switches and decent coverage, but those doesn't pass up for A rank anymore, and I think it should drop to A-.

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Kyurem seems incredibly good on paper, but as I said I havent been playing with it or facing it in uu. Ive seen Limitless been using the specs set, and it seems really good. Kyurem also got great coverage, excellent bulkt and sits on a decent speed tier, damn it also got awesome mixed attack base 130 in both are great for mixed with it's great coverage and access to recovery in roost. Also theres not much in the meta that can switch into dragon spam except Florges and some steel types (which are grilled by coverage) also specs modest Kyurem has a huge chance to 2hko Florges after rocks even after protect with flash cannon, and will easely force it out and then it can't tank Ice Beam's, tho I think most people will run timid specs to outspeed the Nidos, Roserade etc. So Kyurem has the potential to 2hko the whole tier which is a great feat, and it can also come in tank hits and hit back hard, this is probably what makes it that good, but I have to say it's typing will hold it back some as it's easely worn down by rocks without recovery, and it's weak to common attacking types (dragon, fighting, fire spam) and it's also outspeeded by most of those types. Anyway based on how I see it Kyurem has a massive potential, but it's typing is kinda holding it back for it to function to it's optimal potential atm, I would say it works a lot like some off the pokemon in A rank like Honchkrow and Nidoking, their typing and speed holds them back as well tho they are nukes and Honchkrow has sucker punch to bypass speed it's just to slow, cause most fighting/dark pokemon outspeeds it, and I kinda think Kyurem got the same problem therefore I would say it should stay A rank.
 
Yo Kyurem is a god. Huge variety of sets, good at a ton of roles, great stats, etc. It's not even that easy for offense to check, because outside of Scarf Hydreigon and Scaf Mienshao, nothing reliably revenge kills a Kyurem, and Kyurem fucks everything's shit up. Specs, Scarf, SubRoost, Mixed Life Orb, Specially Defensive, they all do work.

I'm going to take a probably unpopular stance and say that Kyurem is as good as Hydreigon. It is equally, if not more versatile by virtue of its great offensive and defensive stats. Speed is often mentioned as a disadvantage that Kyurem has, but the only notable things that happen are a tie with Darmanitan and losing to Hydreigon. Hydreigon definitely makes the better scarfer, access to U-turn helps even more, but Kyurem is a better wallbreaker. Specs Kyurem can totally take Florges out with Flash Cannon. Mixed Kyurem can take the rest of the special walls out with Outrage. Kyurem is a better breaker than Hydreigon, this is a fact. Kyurem also has more defensive utility because it's about 17% bulkier than Hydreigon. Hydreigon has an arguably better defensive typing, but Kyurem has pros too, like Ice and Bug neutralities (Specially Defensive Kyurem counters the Nidos and doesn't care about U-turn), which are not meritless. Kyurem has versatility, it has unpredictability, it can take out its counters, it can threaten pretty much everything, it's not super easy for offense to handle, the only part that it's really missing out on is the metagame influence, because for whatever dumb reason, nobody uses this Pokemon. It fits with the other A+ Rank Pokemon, and it should be A+. Compared to the A rank Pokemon, Darmanitan, Honchkrow, Suicune, Kyurem has way more versatility and beats its counters more easily. It is honestly one of the most threatening Pokemon in the meta because it has 0 hard counters.

Kyurem for A+

Mega Manectric should be A-. Unlike Nidoking, Darmanitan, Honchkrow, and others, it has extremely clear counters. These counters are hard. It cannot overwhelm them, and it does not boast any unpredictability. This is similar to Mega Blastoise, which also runs essentially the same set with little variance, and has defined hard counters. Mega Blastoise offers great utility in Rapid Spin, but due to its lack of Leftovers, this is limited and it's often worn down. Mega Manectric is the same. It has nice utility with Intimidate and Volt Switch, but it can be worn down. Still, it's a strong offensive Pokemon with phenomenal Speed, and it is effective, it's just not as threatening as A Rank Pokemon.

Mega Manectric for A-
 
I support Kyurem for A+, who is just as dangerous in UU as Kyu-B is in OU.
Despite its shallow movepool, Kyurem is one of the most versatile threats in the tier.
The Choice Specs set hits like a truck, Choice Scarf is a reliable and powerful revenge-killer and the LO mixed set has literally no safe switch-ins.
Even though it Fusion Bolt, it has the one physical move it needs to run a decent mixed set: Iron Head, which lets it destroy Florges and other fairy types. 130 base attack is just enough to accomplish that with ease. Earth Power or Focus Blast handle M-Aggron and everything else gets nuked by its STABs.
With the Pixilate+Hyper Voice users locked up in OU, the Substitute set is very reliable and offers both offensive and defensive pressure (pun intended) and is extremely dangerous when combined with hazard support.
In addition to what Swamp Link said, not only does a specially defensive Kyurem counter the Nido's, but it also beats the standard Florges 1 on 1, an impressive feat for a dragon-type.
The only form of support Kyurem needs to be successful is Defog/Rapid Spin, and luckily UU is home to very reliable users of those moves, such as Mew and M-Blastoise.
Kyurem itself supports the multitude of fast and frail sweepers that appreciate the removal of bulky attackers like Slowbro and Shaymin, something Kyurem is remarkably good at.
The only thing that prevents it from raising to S rank is its 95 base speed and defensive type. Otherwise Kyurem is as good as it gets.
 
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i agree with most of the above but i wouldn't call kyurem's movepool shallow since ice + ground covers nearly everything except for like... bronzong? and iron head is p viable for flogre
 
Mega Manectric is moving down to B+ rank. Though this may seem really harsh, it doesn't provide any useful resistances and hits piss poor. When choosing offensive Pokemon for teams nowadays, you really need either great resistances (Hydreigon) or hit incredibly hard (Heracross). The only thing that Mega Manectric does well is Volt Switch and have really fast speed. But in order to utilize Volt Switch, the team would first have to pivot to it, which is difficult given his resistances. It also can't be used as a cleaner given how weak it is. When Tornadus-T drops down again, maybe there will be a place in the metagame for him. But until now, it will have to sit at a mediocre B+ rank. And to be perfectly honest, when you compare Mega Manectric to Chandelure (also in B+ rank), I could argue that Chandelure is better. Time will tell if Mega Man will drop even further.

Kyurem will be dropping to A- rank. Pretty much, the reason why Kyurem isn't B+ rank is because of how destructive the Choice Specs set is. Though the Choice Scarf is completely viable, it is generally outclassed by the rampant Hydreigon. The Substitute Roost set is pretty bad and easily beaten by Florges. The Choice Specs set, however, does a ton of damage to steel types and can even muscle his way through Florges given the right scenario. And especially with how good Kyurem's resistances are, sending off a high-powered Draco Meteor is pretty easy.

The next two Pokemon up for discussion are Nidoqueen and Metagross.

p.s. I didn't make a video this time because I didn't have time and you guys are slacking in your posts.

edit: I'm also moving Hydreigon up to S rank. Its resistances and ability to pull off a late game sweep are just too good to pass up.
 
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