well...since it kills itself do we really need to counter it? ;P
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Personally, I wouldn't really consider a tie to be winning. No matter, I'll just counter both mons.
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Toxic
Hariyama can't 2HKO, Garchomp outspeeds and 2HKOes with Outrage (guaranteed after Rough Skin + Rocky Helmet damage, or a CC drop)
228+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Garchomp: 154-183 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Hariyama: 207-244 (48.2 - 56.8%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO
Garchomp switches in, tanks the Brave Bird / Double Edge while Staraptor loses around 60% of its health, and outspeeds + KOs with Outrage next turn.
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Garchomp: 282-333 (67.1 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 200 Def Staraptor: 169-201 (54.3 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Toxic
Hariyama can't 2HKO, Garchomp outspeeds and 2HKOes with Outrage (guaranteed after Rough Skin + Rocky Helmet damage, or a CC drop)
228+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Garchomp: 154-183 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Hariyama: 207-244 (48.2 - 56.8%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO
Garchomp switches in, tanks the Brave Bird / Double Edge while Staraptor loses around 60% of its health, and outspeeds + KOs with Outrage next turn.
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Garchomp: 282-333 (67.1 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 200 Def Staraptor: 169-201 (54.3 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Wigglytuff @ Choice Specs
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Wigglytuff: 169-199 (40 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Wigglytuff Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 556-656 (132.3 - 156.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Wigglytuff: 169-199 (40 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Wigglytuff Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 556-656 (132.3 - 156.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Plasmanta @ Air Balloon
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Psychic
- Hidden Power Fire
252+ SpA Choice Specs Wigglytuff Hyper Voice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 186-219 (70.9 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Wigglytuff: 542-638 (128.4 - 151.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lol specs wigglytuff
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Psychic
- Hidden Power Fire
252+ SpA Choice Specs Wigglytuff Hyper Voice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 186-219 (70.9 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Wigglytuff: 542-638 (128.4 - 151.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lol specs wigglytuff
Best Garchomp counter ever, am I right?
Mollux @ Leftovers
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
8 SpA Mollux Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 153-181 (58.3 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Plasmanta Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Mollux : 138-164 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- 78.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Kills with Fire Blast and can Recover stall until KO.
Mollux @ Black Sludge
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 4 DEF / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Sludge Wave
- Hidden Power Ground
- Recover
Best Counter to Mollux
Necturna @ Occa Berry
Ability: Forewarn
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Power Whip
- Shadow Claw
- Stone Edge
I felt like using Necturna.
252+ SpA Mollux Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Occa Berry Necturna: 169-201 (62.8 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Necturna Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mollux: 632-744 (190.9 - 224.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The fun thing about Necturna is that it can do anything. Like hit something with a very unexpected attack. For example
Necturna @ Power Herb
Ability: Forwarn
EVs: 56 HP / 200 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sky Attack
- Power Whip
- Shadow Claw
- Stone Edge
252+ Atk Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 56 HP / 0 Def Necturna: 236-282 (83.3 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
200 Atk Necturna Sky Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Necturna: 278-328 (103.3 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Yes, I know Jolly CB Necturna could also win this with a more traditional set, but "traditional" and "Necturna" just don't go together, imo.
Necturna @ Power Herb
Ability: Forwarn
EVs: 56 HP / 200 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sky Attack
- Power Whip
- Shadow Claw
- Stone Edge
252+ Atk Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 56 HP / 0 Def Necturna: 236-282 (83.3 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
200 Atk Necturna Sky Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Necturna: 278-328 (103.3 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Yes, I know Jolly CB Necturna could also win this with a more traditional set, but "traditional" and "Necturna" just don't go together, imo.
It's back...
Plasmanta @ Black Sludge
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Encore
200 Atk Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 90-106 (34.3 - 40.4%) -- 46.7% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Necturna: 135-159 (47.7 - 56.1%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO
For the record, I tried very hard to beet the Necturna above with another Necturna.
Plasmanta @ Black Sludge
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Encore
200 Atk Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 90-106 (34.3 - 40.4%) -- 46.7% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Necturna: 135-159 (47.7 - 56.1%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO
For the record, I tried very hard to beet the Necturna above with another Necturna.
Ground type
Earthquake
no evs
Modest
game
JK ;P
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 128 SpD / 136 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Swords Dance
- Roost
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 244 HP / 128+ SpD Gliscor: 77-91 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Poison Heal
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 360-424 (137.4 - 161.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you have no idea how close i was to beating this with talonflame, sigh RIP Magcargo
Earthquake
no evs
Modest
game
JK ;P
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 128 SpD / 136 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Swords Dance
- Roost
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 244 HP / 128+ SpD Gliscor: 77-91 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Poison Heal
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Plasmanta: 360-424 (137.4 - 161.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you have no idea how close i was to beating this with talonflame, sigh RIP Magcargo
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The Admiral of Acrobatics has arrived, and he's looking jaunty as ever with his rakish cap
Cawmodore @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Drain Punch
- Acrobatics
- Bullet Punch
If Caw comes in on a Taunt....well, it just waits until it's not taunted anymore.
Cawmodore @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Drain Punch
- Acrobatics
- Bullet Punch
If Caw comes in on a Taunt....well, it just waits until it's not taunted anymore.
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Talonflame @ Apicot Berry
Ability: Flame Body
Evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
- Natural Gift
252 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cawmodore: 228-270 (94.2 - 111.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Cawmodore Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 187-222 (62.9 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252 Atk Cawmodore Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 170-200 (57.2 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ability: Flame Body
Evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
- Natural Gift
252 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cawmodore: 228-270 (94.2 - 111.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Cawmodore Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 187-222 (62.9 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252 Atk Cawmodore Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 170-200 (57.2 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Blastoise-Mega @ Blastoisinite
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Atk / 232 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Water Pulse
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Earthquake
Mega Blastoise is a great answer to potent threats such as Flame Body Talonflame.
252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 123-145 (33.9 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 244-288 (67.4 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
232+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Water Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 444-524 (148.9 - 175.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Drain Punch
- Earthquake
- Leech Seed
4 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 236-278 (65.1 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
232+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Water Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 71-84 (18.6 - 22.1%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
Fidgit @ Black Sludge
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Wish
- Protect
- Earthquake
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Fidgit: 142-168 (36 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Fidgit Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 170-200 (65.6 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Wish
- Protect
- Earthquake
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Fidgit: 142-168 (36 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Fidgit Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 170-200 (65.6 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 168 HP / 196 Atk / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Power Whip
- Earthquake
- Superpower
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 79-95 (21.7 - 26.1%) -- 9% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 95-113 (26.1 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Focus Blast vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 81-95 (22.3 - 26.1%) -- 6.7% chance to 4HKO
196+ Atk Goodra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 259-306 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Goodra comes in, tanks any hit with ease, and an adamant nature with 196 Atk Evs ensure the OHKO with outrage.
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 168 HP / 196 Atk / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Power Whip
- Earthquake
- Superpower
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 79-95 (21.7 - 26.1%) -- 9% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 95-113 (26.1 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Focus Blast vs. 168 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 81-95 (22.3 - 26.1%) -- 6.7% chance to 4HKO
196+ Atk Goodra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 259-306 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Goodra comes in, tanks any hit with ease, and an adamant nature with 196 Atk Evs ensure the OHKO with outrage.
I posted this as a gengar counter, but Gday was scarfed and got the jump on me. It does say Gengar in the calcs...
Lanturn @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 204 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fire
252+ SpA Lanturn Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Togekiss: 204-240 (54.6 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Togekiss Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 204 SpD Assault Vest Lanturn: 117-138 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- 20.8% chance to 3HKO
Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Haze
Who needs to fear Scald burns?
252+ SpA Lanturn Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 107-126 (27.1 - 31.9%) -- 45.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 290-344 (74.1 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Challenge: Try countering without using a Grass type.
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Haze
Who needs to fear Scald burns?
252+ SpA Lanturn Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 107-126 (27.1 - 31.9%) -- 45.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 290-344 (74.1 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Challenge: Try countering without using a Grass type.
you got it
Plasmanta @ Air Balloon
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Toxic
on phone but I don't really need calcs
Plasmanta @ Air Balloon
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Toxic
on phone but I don't really need calcs
Plasmanta -Choice specs
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Psychic
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 80-94 (30.5 - 35.8%) -- 42.7% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Plasmanta Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 302-356 (115.2 - 135.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fire
- Psychic
252 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 80-94 (30.5 - 35.8%) -- 42.7% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Plasmanta Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 302-356 (115.2 - 135.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO