Zabrevaheadoszone (An OU RMT)

pokeMONstar

So this my current main team, and I need help fixing it around. Please help me decide which pokemons to use, which moves/pokes would provide better coverage, and what hidden power to use. THank you and here is my Zabrevaheadoszone! :)

Changes in BOLD.
Possible changes are UNDERLINED

LEAD:

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Heatran@LifeOrb
6HP/252 SpA/ 252 Speed
-Stealth Rock
-FireBlast
-EarthPower
-HP Grass

First I throw some SR out, than either switch or deal some damage. I don't really like exploding, so I added HP grass to help with coverage. I'm staying with HP grass with life orb because it can OHKO swampert, then SR. Shuca berry will not help, as it is still an OHKO from swampert.

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Wall/Wish
Vaporeon@Leftovers
188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
-Wish
-Surf
-HP Electric(Ice Beam)
-Protect

Possibly might use Ice Beam as another check to dragons and such, as zapdos is OHKO by salamences outrage, and doesnt ohko it with HP ice all the time. And Ill use zapdos to hit all the waters.
I am currently finding a HP grass one to deal with swampert, who is a MAJOR threat to my team. I use wish, then protect, or wish and switch to heal my many life orb users.

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F.U. Scizor (Taking out to put in DONPHAN as rapid spinner)SCRATCH THAT. I might use forretress instead! And I will throw out spikes/toxic spikes since I have heatran for SR. NOTE: Sure I might be ale to hit dragons with iceshard, but it wont be enough to OHKO them, and outrage is pretty much and OHKO on donphan. Forry can take an outrage, and explode in salamences face and kill it.

Magnezone@ChoiceScarf/Specs/LifeOrb
Hasty
252 SpA / 252 Speed / 6 HP
-HP Fire
-FlashCannon
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

My main scizor counter, I'm not sure which item to use. I may go with life orb because I hate being limited to one move. I also counter other steel types such as jirachi. Once I think all of my sweeper counters are gone, I explode on the pokemon that will hurt my team the most.

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SweepingMushroom
Breloom@ToxicOrb
Adamant
252 Atk / 48 HP / 208 Spd
-Spore
-Swords Dance
-Mach Punch
-Stone Edge

MY FAVORITE! This pokemon has saved me dozens of times, spore, SD, then proceed to sweep! With it being immune to all status, I love switching in on hypnosis, or thunder wave. I usually come on relatively slow pokemon, then spore.

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Zapdos@Leftovers (Possibly switching this into a special sweeper) Because it cant take an outrage, and will only do 93.4% - 110.5% with HP ice to salamence. OR might invest more evs into SpA to keep this still a wall, but enough EVs to take it out.

Bold
248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Roost
-HP Ice
-HeatWave

My dragon kiiller. and another defensive wall. I may use the set with roost, substitute, toxic, and HP ice. I use this or magnezone to take a hit off of those pesky electricts who try to hut my vaporeon, or gdos.

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DancingDragon COMING OUT. Switching in DDttar instead.
Gyrados@LifeOrb
Adamant
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
-DragonDance
-StoneEdge
-Waterfall
-Earthquake

Another all out sweeper. I come on in something that cant do anything to gdos, and DD on the switch. I usually try to get another DD in, then I sweep whats left.

ALSO POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES:
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Dusknoir@ChoiceBand
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 HP / 6 Def
-ShadowSneak
-FirePunch
-IcePunch
-Earthquake

Devastating surprise killer. People expect like WoW and pain split, but I take the hit, and demolish many pokes. This thing provides pretty good coverage and acts as a revenge killer. It finishes off many pokes with a shadow sneak.

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DragonDancingRock
Tyrantitar@LifeOrb
Adamant
252 Spd / 252 Atk / 6 HP
-DragonDance
-StoneEdge
-Crunch
-AquaTail

Another dragon dancer. you know how this one works. DD and sweep! :) I prefer aquatail over EQ to help kill hippowdown and other grounds trying to wall me.

Other smaller options considered.
-Specs Porygon-Z
-Donphan
-MixMence
-DDMence
-Blissey
 
At a glance, I noticed how much Stealth Rock hurts your team, and you're not doing anything about it. You cannot overlook Stealth Rock in the current metagame, and probably not near the future, so lets fix that. I do realize that with this team is for Wi-Fi, so my changes to make this team better is limited.

Donphan seems to be the Pokemon that will best fit the role of the Stealth Rock remover here, possibly over Magnezone. I like the idea of Choice Scarf Magnezone to use as a revenge killer, but it does not fit in this team. You can deal with Scizor various different ways, such as using Gyarados, or you can just switch in your Zapdos when it comes. You can handle Scizor with the Gyarados + Zapdos combination you have, so Donphan over Magnezone seems like the best thing to do here. You should strongly consider a change on Heatran. Normally for leading Heatran, you need to be sure that Heatran can take a blow from anything, mostly because its main objective is to set-up Stealth Rock and possibly kill something. Focus Sash over Life Orb seems like the wise thing to do, so at least you are ensured a Stealth Rock set-up. If you want to set-up AND sweep, then probably something like Shuca Berry will do the trick. Shuca Berry will weaken the power of ground moves, so I'd strongly consider it. Hidden Power Grass over Explosion is a personal option, but just take in mind Explosion can take down most things, barring its something like a Swampert of course, so I'd test it out and see how that goes. I'm not quite sure why Aqua Tail is on Tyranitar when you have a Vaporeon, I mean Hippowodon vs Vaporeon...you get the point. Earthquake will give more coverage for Tyranitar, so I'd strongly suggest it. Mach Punch on Breloom, I've never been much of a fan of it. If you're behind a Substitute, might as well abuse the fuck out of it and go with Focus Punch, so strongly consider Focus Punch > Mach Punch.

Salamence looks like it can give this team problems, but then again, what team doesn't have trouble with Salamence. With the addition of Donphan, you can at least make Salamence fear Ice Shards incoming from Donphan. Vaporeon without Ice Beam doesn't fare well with Salamence, unless it has Ice Beam. You can put Ice Beam over HP Electric, but you can handle it with Breloom and Stealth Rock. Tyranitar can cause problems to some extent, as having Donphan gives you an edge against Tyranitar. Just keep Donphan healthy with the help of Vaporeon's Wish, as it lacks a recovery move sadly, and you'll be alright.
 
I like mach punch more so I can hit things faster than me, and things that are almost dead. And I like to swords dance, so I use that instead of sub. So switch in donphan for magnezone? What set and IVs/moves should I use?

Regarding Heatran, you're saying I should change it to more defensive heatran, or put on a shuca/focus sash?

Put EQ on ttar? I was just being worried about being walled by a wall, and having to switch out and lose my DD. So what should my six be if I make some of those changes?
 
You don't necessarily need to make Heatran defensive, but just make sure you're running either item and a Naive / Timid nature. Donphan can run 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Def@ Adamant, you get some bulk while still having power to make EQ and Ice Shard hurt. Since you already have a pokemon that has Stealth Rock on your team, I'd suggest using Rapid Spin / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Ice Shard, nothing fancy. Tyranitar should only be using Dragon Dance when the walls that wall it are eliminated, pretty much late-game. Like I said in my previous post, I am limited on the amount of help I can give you, unless you can get a hold of other Pokemon, I don't see this team having a lot of changes.
 
Venom said:
You don't necessarily need to make Heatran defensive, but just make sure you're running either item and a Naive / Timid nature. Donphan can run 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Def@ Adamant, you get some bulk while still having power to make EQ and Ice Shard hurt. Since you already have a pokemon that has Stealth Rock on your team, I'd suggest using Rapid Spin / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Ice Shard, nothing fancy. Tyranitar should only be using Dragon Dance when the walls that wall it are eliminated, pretty much late-game. Like I said in my previous post, I am limited on the amount of help I can give you, unless you can get a hold of other Pokemon, I don't see this team having a lot of changes.
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I can get hold of other pokemon no problem, what other pokes do you suggest for my team?

Also, I have 8 choices up there, and DDTtar is not in the main 6. If I use ddttar, who should I take out for it?
 
pokeMONstar said:
I can get hold of other pokemon no problem, what other pokes do you suggest for my team?

Also, I have 8 choices up there, and DDTtar is not in the main 6. If I use ddttar, who should I take out for it?
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I get one bump after 24 hours right? :) So hopefully VENOM sees this so he can continue helping me with my team.
 
Hello. :)

First off, i suggest you go with the usual ShucaTran lead. Without Shuca Berry, you will lose against opposing Heatrans and OccaGross. For your Vaporeon, stick with HP Electric. Just for you to be able to check Gyaras. I suggest you remove Magnezone as Scizor is not a threat to your team. Zapdos has Heat Wave, and Gyara has Intimidate. Gyara also resists his two STABS and is just setup fodder. I honestly don't know what you will replace Zone with.. You can go with Donphan like what Venom said.. Or you could go with Forry. So you can have a Dragon resist on your team. Repeated Draco Meteors from a Specs Latias can do number on your team. As a plus, you also have a Spiker. -_- For Gyara, go with the Bulky build. DD/Taunt/Waterfall/SE. 156HP/72Atk/96Def/184Spe. Anyways, nice team.

Hope I helped.
 
Press To Play said:
Hello. :)

First off, i suggest you go with the usual ShucaTran lead. Without Shuca Berry, you will lose against opposing Heatrans and OccaGross. For your Vaporeon, stick with HP Electric. Just for you to be able to check Gyaras. I suggest you remove Magnezone as Scizor is not a threat to your team. Zapdos has Heat Wave, and Gyara has Intimidate. Gyara also resists his two STABS and is just setup fodder. I honestly don't know what you will replace Zone with.. You can go with Donphan like what Venom said.. Or you could go with Forry. So you can have a Dragon resist on your team. Repeated Draco Meteors from a Specs Latias can do number on your team. As a plus, you also have a Spiker. -_- For Gyara, go with the Bulky build. DD/Taunt/Waterfall/SE. 156HP/72Atk/96Def/184Spe. Anyways, nice team.

Hope I helped.
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Thanks. Do you think I have enough sweepers to use forry/donphan? OR should I use DDttar instead?
 
I guess you have enough. :) A spinner is kinda essential in your team IMO cuz two of your pokemon is weak to it. One of it is your main sweeper (gyara) and the other is your dragon check (zapdos).
 
Press To Play said:
I guess you have enough. :) A spinner is kinda essential in your team IMO cuz two of your pokemon is weak to it. One of it is your main sweeper (gyara) and the other is your dragon check (zapdos).
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Instead of gyrados, I was thinking of using DDttar. I think it would be better for my team. Would you all think so too?
 
pokeMONstar said:
Instead of gyrados, I was thinking of using DDttar. I think it would be better for my team. Would you all think so too?
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Yes i think dd tar is a better fit for your team. Mostly because he can act as another check to specs jolteon (breloom is 2hkod by tbolt) and you have plenty of pokes to handle swampert/hippo. Hell you even have a magnezone to take out scizor so you dont have to use a steel reducing berry.
 
Ladies Man said:
Yes i think dd tar is a better fit for your team. Mostly because he can act as another check to specs jolteon (breloom is 2hkod by tbolt) and you have plenty of pokes to handle swampert/hippo. Hell you even have a magnezone to take out scizor so you dont have to use a steel reducing berry.
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But from the other people, I am taking out magnezone, and switching in a donphan to rapid spin for me.
 
Im not really the best at rating teams, but ill give it a go ! ;D

Okay, first off I noticed no body on your team can really take Special attackers, so if you come across maybe something like Infernape your going to be almost screwed ,
The only thing the can really save you is your gyarados, but in your first post it says tiy are swithing him out for a ttar which will get ownd by a CC

But all and all I dont really see anything special with your team . It just seems very normal and predictable, someone that knows how to predict will just rape you ( no effence )
 
On your alternate pokemons, I would throw out Life Orb for Babiri Berry on Tyranitar and switch aqua tail to fire punch, simply for these annoying scizors who might wanna stop your sweep and also I would consider Life Orb on your Breloom just for the extra power that might come in handy against some pokemons like scizors.
 
TheAmazingFlygon said:
On your alternate pokemons, I would throw out Life Orb for Babiri Berry on Tyranitar and switch aqua tail to fire punch, simply for these annoying scizors who might wanna stop your sweep and also I would consider Life Orb on your Breloom just for the extra power that might come in handy against some pokemons like scizors.
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That would not be helpful, as Breloom will heal double leftovers, and be immune to any type of status. And SD gives me those boosts I need.
 
Hello, got your vm so I'll see what I can do here.

At a glance, your team has regular weaknesses to DDMence and Gyarados to an extent, which are able to sweep a good amount of your team in the state it is right now. You can get opposing Gyarados and Salamence to come in on Magnezone HP Fires and start firing off moves until your team is severely weakened. Concerning your Swampert weakness, I'd really stop with a lot of the gimmicks here per se, you don't need to go the extra mile to slap HP Grass on Vaporeon when you have Breloom here, and Vaporeon can stall out swampert with Surf, Wish, and Protect. If that's not good enough then nothing is!

Have you considered running the Sub Punch set on Breloom over SD? I'm not really sure as to what you have changed because it seems you've really done quite a bit with the team here, but I can attest that Sub Punch with Seed Bomb would probably work better here, as you don't necessarily use Breloom as an end game pokemon but rather something that can get a spore in to help your team, and maybe take a pokemon out here and there. Just change SD / Mach Punch / Stone Edge to Seed Bomb / Sub / Focus Punch, and run enough speed to hit 230 for Breloom so you aren't screwed over by Expert Belt "Bait" Tyranitar. I believe you simply need to invest 4 EVs in Speed to hit that number, so it should be fine.

Concerning previous rates and your SR weakness, I would be inclined to agree as well.It can wear down your team quite a bit, and pokemon like Scizor can come in on Vaporeon and annoy the hell out of you with SR + U-turn, putting you in a defensive spot and rendering Magnezone less useful. A rapid spinner would definitely work here, however Donphan is a little bit outdated in current OU and is usually exploited by pokemon such as Rotom-a, the most common spin blocker in the game. Lack of recovery also hurts it a bit, so what I would suggest here in place of Zapdos and Vaporeon is Wish Jirachi and Rapid Spin Starmie. Wish Jirachi will help you take hits from Dragon types better, namely Latias Draco Meteors, even Salamence if you are ballsy enough to stay in and paralyze it. Starmie can kill off Dragons as well and nets you a better spinner overall, as it can deal with Rotom-a and pressures it from switching because of its power; furthermore, it also has recovery and synergy with Jirachi.

Something that could also work here is a revenge killer, to address my previous concerns above. With DDMence and DD Gyarados, you probably want a Scarf Latias to deal with these two pokemon, as well as giving you something anti-stall with Trick. It works well with Tyranitar as well, in the sense that should it be revenge killed by Scarftar or Scizor, you have Tyranitar to set up afterwards, giving you an easy oppurtunity to set up and sweep.

As for a couple other minor changes to your team, I also agree that Babiri is a bit more practical here, considering that Scizor is a very common response to Tyranitar, you probably also want to change its nature to Jolly so you aren't outsped by Starmie or Azelf after 1 DD, which is pretty important as they can both potentially end your sweep with Hydro Pump and Explosion respectively.

Starmie @ Life Orb
timid 252 satk 252 spe 4 def
Hydro pump / ice beam / recover / rapid spin

Latias @ scarf
timid 252 satk 252 spe 4 def
draco meteor / thunderbolt / surf / trick

Jirachi @ leftovers
impish 252 hp 76 def 180 spe
iron head / uturn/ wish / body slam

That's about all I've got to say, though for some advice in terms of team building for the future, next time you probably don't want to stray too much from your original team. It was a little confusing for me at first with all the changes coming in and out of the team -- I'm not sure what your team was to begin with. Otherwise, good luck with the team.
 
Here, want me to redo and edit the whole first post to where I would keep it before you posted, and have you rate it?

Well I really like the way I have my breloom right now, because mach punch allows me to kill off lucario. And other things things that are weakened and faster. If starmie can kill of a mence or what not, do I still need latias to revenge kill it? I really like my vaporeon though. But if I need to I might switch. I think I might put in my swellow, because it consistently takes out multiple pokes with facade and guts.
 
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