Aberforth
Ubers Leader
Reasoning:
Last Respects has been creeping up as a problem since the conclusion of SCL, when it was explored and found to be an incredibly potent win condition on hyper offense teams. The move is extremely powerful, and is capable of tearing through teams in lategame scenarios with minimal effort, with the only frequent form of counterplay being either an Arceus-Normal (which locks users out of all other Arceus forms in a tier where Arceus is often part of staple defensive cores), or by preserving an emergency Tera-Normal on a fast powerful pokemon for a lategame scenario. Sticky Web allows the primary user of Last Respects to outspeed the entire metagame after an agility, and means playing around Last Respects is incredibly difficult with the limited forms of hazard removal in the tier. While Last Respects is only a move that works in late game scenarios most of the time, its potency in those situations is incredible and more than makes up for the lack of utility available in the early game, and the threat of a 250 or 300 base power Last Respects means it forces highly constrained lines of play throughout the game too.
Complaints over Last Respects have only grown throughout World Cup, as well as the recent Miraidon Suspect, with numerous posters expressing their opinion that Last Respects was a clearly broken element that needed to be removed. The most recent survey demostrates this point of view being a common one very clearly, and our most recent PR thread also has further reasonings on what makes Last Respects worthy of a suspect test both in the OP and the replies from many players. With the meta remaining the same following Miraidon staying in the tier, it felt appropriate to immediately jump into the next suspect of another topic at the same level of controversy to assess if it is truly too much for the Ubers tier.
In regards to Basculegion-M vs Last Respects, after speaking with the tiering council and the head tiering admin, we've concluded that this suspect will be for Last Respects, not for Basculegion-M, as that is the Uber element in question. A move of this power, given to any reasonably viable Uber Pokemon, would be enough to utterly break that Pokemon too, as can be seen with Basculegion-M being NU without it. As such, we have decided to go ahead with suspecting specifically Last Respects.
Suspect Test Information
- The voting requirements are a minimum GXE of 80 with at least 50 games played. In addition, you may play 1 less game for every 0.2 GXE you have above 80 GXE, down to a minimum of 30 games at a GXE of 84. Also, needing more than 50 games to reach 80 GXE will suffice. For reference, there's a minimum games required table posted below.
- You must signup with a newly registered account on Pokemon Showdown! that begins with the appropriate prefix for the suspect test. For this suspect test, the prefix will be UBLR. For example, I might sign up with the ladder account UBLR Aberforth.
- Laddering with an account that impersonates, mocks, or insults another Smogon user or breaks Pokemon Showdown! rules may be disqualified from voting and infracted. Moderator discretion will be applied here. If there is any doubt or hesitation when making the alt, just pick another name. There are infinite possibilities and we have had trouble for this repeatedly. If you wish to participate in the suspect, you should be able to exhibit decent enough judgement here. We will not be lenient.
- We will be using the regular Ubers ladder for this suspect test. We will not be creating a new Suspect Ladder. At the beginning of every battle, there will be an announcement denoting the ongoing suspect with a link to this thread.
- Any form of voting manipulation will result in swift and severe punishment. You are more than welcome to state your argument to as many people as you so please, but do not use any kind of underhanded tactics to get a result you desire. Bribery, blackmail, or any other type of tactic used to sway votes will be handled and sanctioned.
- Do not attempt to cheat the ladder. We will know if you did not actually achieve voting requisites, so don't do it. Harsh sanctions will be applied.
- We will be posting the voting identification thread shortly after this thread. Your voting requisites will be confirmed by a moderator. Please avoid getting more games before getting confirmed.
- The suspect test will go on for a little over one week, lasting until Sunday March 31st, 10:30 PM GMT -4, and then we will put up the voting thread in the Blind Voting subforum.
GXE | Minimum Games Required |
80 | 50 |
80.2 | 49 |
80.4 | 48 |
80.6 | 47 |
80.8 | 46 |
81 | 45 |
81.2 | 44 |
81.4 | 43 |
81.6 | 42 |
81.8 | 41 |
82 | 40 |
82.2 | 39 |
82.4 | 38 |
82.6 | 37 |
82.8 | 36 |
83 | 35 |
83.2 | 34 |
83.4 | 33 |
83.6 | 32 |
83.8 | 31 |
84 | 30 |
This thread will be open to allow all users to share their thoughts on this suspect test and discuss with one another their thoughts. However, this thread will be strictly moderated, more so than the average Ubers forum thread. Our moderators will apply discretion as to what is appropriate. Please read and keep in mind the following before posting:
Suspect Test Rules
- Do not discuss the banning of other topics such as Miraidon or Basculegion-M instead of Last Respects. Posts involving those will be deleted.
- No unhelpful one liners nor uninformed posts;
- No discussion on other potential suspects;
- No discussion on the suspect process;
- You are required to make respectful posts;
- Failure to follow these simple guidelines will result in your post being deleted and infracted without any prior warning.
- Please also take a moment to read over some suggestions from the Ubers Council and the Ubers Moderation team for posting in this thread; adhering these will help out our time moderating the thread and present your arguments better and more educated.
- Do not argue because it's your favorite Pokemon. This should be common sense, but please don't do this, because we will delete posts like this.
- You do not need a boatload of experience to have an informed opinion, but please try to minimize the theorymon aspect and use your experiences watching and playing. Playing some on the ladder before posting is plenty if you're concerned about this.
- Do not flame, belittle, or be disrespectful to users in this thread. While not everyone will read this post in its entirety nor will everyone have informed opinion, please be sure not to be disrespectful. If there's an issue, bring it up to a moderator.
- Do not use the argument of broken checking broken. Should your argument rest on your opinion that banning the Pokemon or mechanic being tested in this suspect test will make a Pokemon or mechanic broken, overpowered, and/or uncompetitive; don't. If something needs to be banned because of the result this suspect, then so be it.
- This thread is not to voice complaints about the suspect process or decisions of the council. While we are more than open to hearing complaints that may arise, this isn't the place for it. I suggest you message the Ubers Council, an Ubers Tier Leader (myself or Fc), or make a post in Senior Staff requests, should you have a badge.
Keep in mind that our suspect tests are decided by the community; anyone who achieves voting requisites is allowed to vote. The outcome is up to you. Happy posting and laddering!
The test will run until Sunday March 31st, 10:30 PM GMT -4. In order to ban Last Respects, a 66.6% supermajority will be required. If you meet the requirements then post a screenshot in the voting requirements thread - but please take note of the criteria outlined there when you do in order to be eligible!
Tagging dhelmise and Marty to announce this on the Ubers ladder, thank you!
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