exactly, the thing sucksexcept nobody uses SD Haxorus. It's too slow.
i'd much rather use its cb set for wall breaking
cb hax is such a beast
exactly, the thing sucksexcept nobody uses SD Haxorus. It's too slow.
egg moves...extreme speed is an egg move!Multiscale is an AWESOME ability, but unfortunately it's also illegal with extremespeed.
Yachi Berry + Multiscale = impossible to OHKO. I've been using it on the subway and the only time it's taken out is:Its like a yache berry that's an ability instead
Fireblast in the rain? *Face Palm* (You probably might need to fix that)Aeromence said:Choice Specs:
SpecsMence was the original 4th Gen Menace. A lot less useful now that Lati@s are out there. But now Dragonite can shine with his very underrated set. Only really usable in Rain, he run Hurricane, Thunder, Draco Meteor and Fire Blast. Salamence is still usable, only because of the surprise factor and higher speed. Dragonite wins, again.
Hell yes. If you run a bulky DD set dragonite and get a couple of boosts you can block ice beams with roost. If you're faster and roost back up to 100% you're essentially taking neutral damage from the ice attack instead of 4x. He becomes extremely difficult to kill in general actually. Roost removes his rock weakness too, so unless you have a dragon type (who will probably be KOed by dragon claw) you're going to need a very powerful attack to take him down.Is roost worth it on Dragonite? I find having a third offensive for more coverage can be somewhat better in most situations.
That's a terrible analogy. For one thing, Garchomp is both faster and bulkier, which applies to neither of our two dragons here. Secondly, going by your STAB argument, Garchomp had a STAB EQ, which Haxorus lacked. In your analogy, one was clearly superior, which is not the case here.Not entirely
The only diff nite and menace has for offensive dd is that nite is more def oriented and mence is more off oriented. Those two aren't like cm viri and reu who share diff typing and diff moveset while the two dragons share way too many similarities to sAy they are totally different mons for the same offensive dd set. They are more like sd chomp and sd haxorus were before chomps ban
Also for mixed set if you read my full post I never said they are the same by how nite is more of a wallbreAker and menace is more of a mixed zweeper
that is false.That's a terrible analogy. For one thing, Garchomp is both faster and bulkier, which applies to neither of our two dragons here. Secondly, going by your STAB argument, Garchomp had a STAB EQ, which Haxorus lacked. In your analogy, one was clearly superior, which is not the case here.
SD Haxorus isn't even really a sweeper, unless you give it paralysis support, while both Nite and Mence do sweep (with DD).
It's like if I tried to compare SD Gliscor with SD Landorus. Yes, they're using the same boosting move. Yes, they have the same typing and STAB. But they're fundamentally different, and so are Nite/Mence.
On paper, they may look to be similar, but in actual battles they're so different that you'd never even think that they have as much in common as they do.
PS- They do not have the same Offensive DD set.
PPS- How on earth is MixMenxe a mixed sweeper??? 100 base speed, no boosting move... Yeah, I'm sure it can sweep every other team in this metagame.
that's not true at all.That's a terrible analogy. For one thing, Garchomp is both faster and bulkier, which applies to neither of our two dragons here. Secondly, going by your STAB argument, Garchomp had a STAB EQ, which Haxorus lacked. In your analogy, one was clearly superior, which is not the case here.
SD Haxorus isn't even really a sweeper, unless you give it paralysis support, while both Nite and Mence do sweep (with DD).
It's like if I tried to compare SD Gliscor with SD Landorus. Yes, they're using the same boosting move. Yes, they have the same typing and STAB. But they're fundamentally different, and so are Nite/Mence.
On paper, they may look to be similar, but in actual battles they're so different that you'd never even think that they have as much in common as they do.
PS- They do not have the same Offensive DD set.
PPS- How on earth is MixMenxe a mixed sweeper??? 100 base speed, no boosting move... Yeah, I'm sure it can sweep every other team in this metagame.
Btw no offenseEh I guess I'll stop with hax and chomp thing
As for the offensive nite and offensive ddmence
They have diff (particularly multiscale or their abili) but that really isn't enough to halt peeps from making conparisons
wait, wut? Garchomp is faster and bulkier than Haxorus.that is false.
garchomp's speed and bulk are both factors that allows sd garchomp to overall outclass sdhax. by your logic, nothing would outclass anything.
tbh, I don't give a damn about either of the Pokemon in question.that's not true at all.
i don't even know why the hell you're so into this argument esp in nite/mence thread but ok. there's a reason why people compared sdhax with sdchomp.
for one specific set, they shared a lot in common in the roles they played.
sdhax was just a worse version of sdchomp who had A LOT more going for him, whether it be in the wallbreaking dept or sweeping (sdhax just sucked like a bitch)
I'm gonna ask you the same question that I asked Oli:lordkira said:mixmence - mix sweeper (not too sure if it applies in gen 5 but in gen that's how it was)
*sigh* I'm not even gonna go at it again... again...lordkira said:nite vs. mence: bulky dd nite same as offesive ddmence? fuck no.
can offensive ddnite and offensive ddmence be compared? yes. true they have their own niche but they can still be comapred
Yes, please.lordkira said:let's stop talking about this hax vs chomp bullshit
chomp is banned and sdhax fucking sucks
nite vs mence only please
Lol chillExactly stop making say the same damn thing over and over again
Mixmence issue: have even played gen 4 there are some good articles or old posts that talks about mix it's being a better wallbreaker whereas menace being a better mixed sweeper and yes in gen 4 he was able to mix sweep
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2097915
This thread should tell you hOw peeps viewed mixmence and mixnite and how mixnite was better for breaking walls and stalls and mixmence for mixed sweeping faster teams back in gen four
Stop talking about had and chomP if you really don't give a shit then
Because it sure as hell does seems like you do
Btw you two are saying like the same thing for hax and chomp so I dnt even know why this talk is going on-sdchomP>>sdhax end of story please
Of you want to discuss had and chomp shit better to make a thread about it
Though with chomp bent in uber talking about it in ou meta is now completely irrelevant for competitive purposes so it would he locked
Use pm and shi
t with olijolly
Also no offense
Just don't see any point in hearing about chomP and hax you two were talking about
Mixmence in gen 5 isn't really going to be the same as it was back in gen 4Lol chill
I know and I'm done with the since it's not going snywhere anyways
As for mixmence and nite thing yeah I shoulda said that's how it was back in gen 4 when menences speed was recognized as fast
I guess those days are done
Going back to the topic what do people think about wishing mence
I am pretty sure wish and dd can't go togetherMixmence in gen 5 isn't really going to be the same as it was back in gen 4
100 base speed isnt all that anymore
Gong back to the topic I'm going to assume you're talkig about fatmence and tbh that thug sucks. There are better options most of the time.n I got a question though has anyone tried using wish on a more offensively oriented set like dd Or mix set? Does it suck (if wish plus some egg moves are possible,since I know jack shut about breeding)
And lol I wasn't angry just didn't want to listen to you talk abOut hax and chomp
Fuck...druddigon needs some loving .......that bitch rocks in tr teams
Random but just got sad