LC CCAT--I have to Axew a question (FINISHED)

[Superpowerdude]

Shroomish is not Ko ed by adamant drilburs +2 X scissor and can procede to spore it I think Shroomish would fit quite well

 

[iss]

Life Orb Drilbur will OHKO nearly all of the time with a +2 X-Scissor and Eviolite versions will OHKO most of the time with a +2 X-Scissor after Stealth Rock. This is max/max+ Shroomish with Eviolite.

 

[Ray Jay]

Furthermore it struggles to switch into Earthquake on Life Orb Variants at all, as then X-Scissor can KO most of the time. This is more relevant as Swords Dance sets very rarely run X-Scissor.

Also, I think we need to clarify whether we beat SubRoost Krow or not. I think the problem right now is no one can agree whether or not our Lileep set actually beats SubRoost, personally I think it does, but I'd like some other opinions...

 

[prem]

if we run a bold nature and giga drain i say it wins! otherwise you end up killing its sub but not killing the murkrow. which is good enough as far as im concerned but still

 

[iss]

LO SubRoost 2HKOes, and Eviolite SubRoost should win when played correctly (especially with hail support). Then again SubRoost is a really hard set to deal with in general; even Bronzor can't win in the right circumstances.

 

[Trakyan]

im just wondering if the current lileep breaks eviolite subkrow's subs with giga drain/energy ball, i think we should make it so it does otherwise subkrow trolls lileep, if it breaks subkrows subs then subkrow cant substall+BB/DP lileep to death. If it breaks murkrows subs it should beat it pretty easily, energy ball the sub, it attacks, energy ball the sub as after it makes another and break it. kKeep doing this untill it doesnt have enough for sub or roosts in which case it dies or ends up taking 50% or more from energy ball and gets stuck in a roost cycle. Such EVs may be stupid but i dont know, if it doesnt take much i say we do it.

 

[blarajan]

So let's vote on it? Tirtouga > Ponyta? Or leave the team as is? Due to waning interest and the new metagame, I think this will be the last vote before we write up an RMT. We'll do a BW2 CCAT soon. Bold your vote.

 

[Ray Jay]

Tirtouga

 

[Trakyan]

Ponyta

 

[prem]

tirtouga

 

[Elevator Music]

Tirtouga

 

[deinosaur]

Tirtouga

 

[Furai]

Tirtouga it's cute

 

[spuds4ever]

Ponyta

Subroost krow is annoying, but its not unstoppable for this team unlike snover will be I fear if we go for tirtouga.

 

[blarajan]

Tirtouga

I don't think we have Snover issues, to be frank. We have two Pokemon with STAB super effective priority, Stealth Rock, and individual resistances to Ice and Grass. Misdreavus can also live a hit. It'll be a bit trickier, yes, but it definitely won't be "unstoppable." It can't switch in on Croagunk or Timburr, for fear of Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch, Tirtouga has Rock Slide, Misdreavus has HP Fighting, Axew can Protect to scout what it locks itself into, and hell even Lileep has HP Rock. I don't see Snover issues at all.

 

[Trakyan]

Im for ponyta because of its ability to safely switch into any of snovers common attacks, to be quite frank i dont think timbur will like eating a blizzard on the switch(i also doubt mach punch OHKOs), probably neither with croagunk, tirtouga will no doubt die to a giga drain. If its not scarfed it could cause even bigger problems with its ability to freely switch attacks and would do a number on the team with some careful play around missdrevous.

 

[iss]

Timburr:

Drain Punch: 26-32 (118.18 - 145.45%)
Mach Punch: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%)
Blizzard: 9-12 (36 - 48%)

Croagunk:

Fake Out: 4-5 (18.18 - 22.72%)
Vacuum Wave: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%)
Drain Punch: 20-26 (90.9 - 118.18%)
Blizzard: 12-15 (50 - 62.5%)

With the healing that Drain Punch provides, Snover isn't going to kill Croagunk or Timburr that quickly. Simply keeping Stealth Rock up will mean that Snover will not be able to deal much damage to this team. Ponyta, frankly, is overkill.

Please run your calcs before saying things like that. :/

 

[Trakyan]

With the healing that Drain Punch provides

I was meaning on a switch in, they wont get to drain punch before getting hit by two blizzards, undoubtedly they beat snover 1-1.

 

[iss]

Regardless, you're hitting something with Drain Punch, which will allow you to recover off the damage from Blizzard. If they have a Ghost-type, just Payback instead.

 

[Chieliee]

tirtouga

 

[Trakyan]

Regardless, you're hitting something with Drain Punch, which will allow you to recover off the damage from Blizzard. If they have a Ghost-type, just Payback instead.

we seem to be interpreting different scenarios so never mind

 

[comatthew6]

tirtouga

 

[blarajan]

Tirtouga > Ponyta! It has been done.

Now what set? I personally dislike the one that Sir posted just because Aqua Jet hits like a little bitch, so what do the masses have to say about that? For reference:

name: Support
move 1: Scald
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Knock Off
move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect
item: Eviolite
ability: Solid Rock
nature: Relaxed
evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD

What do you guys say about the set and spread?

 

[blarajan]

Okay fuck it. We'll use that set. And on that note: here is the final completed team!

Axew (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 68 HP / 220 Atk / 44 Def / 36 SDef / 140 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dual Chop
- Protect
- Outrage

move 1: Scald
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Knock Off
move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect
item: Eviolite
ability: Solid Rock
nature: Relaxed
evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD

move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Hidden Power Rock
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 144 Def / 28 SpA / 64 SpD / 16 Spe

Timburr (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Guts
EVs: 196 Atk / 236 SDef / 76 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SpA)
- Bulk Up
- Mach Punch
- Drain Punch
- Payback

Misdreavus (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 40 Def / 80 SpA / 80 SDef / 240 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Will-o-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Taunt / Heal Bell

Croagunk (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 212 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 108 SAtk / 116 SDef
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fake Out
- Vacuum Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Drain Punch

IMPORTABLE

Axew (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 68 HP / 220 Atk / 44 Def / 36 SDef / 140 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Protect
- Outrage
- Dual Chop
Tirtouga (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SAtk / 236 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Scald
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Aqua Jet
Lileep (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 228 HP / 144 Def / 28 SAtk / 64 SDef / 16 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Energy Ball
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Recover
Timburr (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 196 Atk / 236 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Payback
- Mach Punch
Misdreavus (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 76 SAtk / 76 SDef / 236 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- Pain Split
Croagunk (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 212 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 108 SAtk / 116 SDef
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Vacuum Wave
- Shadow Ball

Thank you everyone for all of the work you have put into finishing this team! It took a long time, but I think we as a community did a very good job! Waning interest and the fact that this team is for an outdated metagame, unfortunately, pushes me to not want to bother making an RMT lol...so I'm not going to.

After a while, never fret...we'll be doing a CCAT for BW2! I'll host it once again, but it will be in a whileeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. We'll be doing things a bit differently for that one, so hopefully it stays interesting! Thanks everybody!

Was a great way to end BW1 LC =).